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burn 2002
25 Jul 2002, 01:18 PM
As stated here many times.. When Oscar plays bad, the Burn play bad. When Oscar doesn't play, the Burn LOSE. Almost always!! So why isn't he an all-star?? A person that important to the team should not only be an all-star, but, should be considered for league MVP.. What do you all think??

burn 2002
25 Jul 2002, 01:28 PM
Also on another Pareja note... When playing in his home country he was always called "El Guapo" I told him we should start calling him that here. He said that would make him feel very good, and would feel just like the old days at home. Hey guys, can we get this chant started at the next game?? It would be good to have him on a high note as we roll into the play-offs. It's been a long year and alot of people are probably worn-down. Maybe this would be something to give OP a little spark as the Burn shoot for their second Open Cup and their first MLS Cup!! Go Burn!!

ElJefe
25 Jul 2002, 01:48 PM
I ran "El Guapo" through Babelfish and it came out "the ladies' man." Is this correct?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00003CXP4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

3rd Degree
25 Jul 2002, 02:27 PM
While most Burn fans would rank Pareja as one of the teams MVP....

Major Media (who vote for MVP) won't vote for him for two reasons...

1. Kreis's Stats... goals, goals, goals... everyone loves a goal scorer.

2. Oscar doesn't lead his team in assists, which central mids are supposed to do.

In Dallas we know what Oscar does for this team, but the people voting probably don't.

Chamo
25 Jul 2002, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by ElJefe
I ran "El Guapo" through Babelfish and it came out "the ladies' man." Is this correct?

That probably is the translation they went with when they ran this movie in South America. They rarely translate movie titles literally.

Burger King calls their "Whopper" "El Guapo" in South America. Anybody smell a promotion?

La Locura Rojinegra!

Chamo
25 Jul 2002, 02:35 PM
All you need to know about Pareja if you have not watched the Red and Black play is that Pareja leads the league in Fouls commited, and is 5th in fouls suffered . In other words, he is always in the midst of the action.

La locura rojinegra

ElJefe
25 Jul 2002, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Chamo
That probably is the translation they went with when they ran this movie in South America. They rarely translate movie titles literally.

Burger King calls their "Whopper" "El Guapo" in South America. Anybody smell a promotion?

La Locura Rojinegra!
So what does "El Guapo" mean?

Chamo
25 Jul 2002, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by ElJefe

So what does "El Guapo" mean?

Literally - Handsome
Implied - Stud

Northside Rovers
25 Jul 2002, 04:12 PM
I thought it meant ugly - like El Guapo from The Three Amigos.

Chamo
25 Jul 2002, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Northside Rovers
I thought it meant ugly - like El Guapo from The Three Amigos.
That mi amigo was one of many bad bad jokes in that movie.

PaulGascoigne
26 Jul 2002, 03:07 AM
I like Oscar, he's definitely living the American dream, and the type of guy you want on your team--great attitude. As for why he's not an all-star, I'll posit one simple suggestion--he simply isn't able to beat people with the dribble like you would typically think a central midfielder should be able to do. But there's no question that this season, when the Burn are doing so well, their "quarterback" should be under consideration for some type of honor.

inferno man
26 Jul 2002, 04:37 AM
Well, as I recall, the Burn Supporter Groups pick the team's MVP or is that most popular player?

So, join the Inferno and get your vote in!!

Northside Rovers
26 Jul 2002, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Chamo
That mi amigo was one of many bad bad jokes in that movie.

Oh.

I had a hard time keeping up with all the subtle humor sprinkled throughout that classic western.

dburn157
26 Jul 2002, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by PaulGascoigne
I'll posit one simple suggestion--he simply isn't able to beat people with the dribble like you would typically think a central midfielder should be able to do.

As far as not being able to beat people with the dribble, I would have to diagree. Although not one of the fastest midfilder's, his fakes on the ball are some of the best in the league and his touch on the dribble and being able to keep the ball close is outstanding.

Also, I love to watch Oscar work a ref. One minute he's in his face and the next , he's shaking his hand and patting him on the back. He's got it down to a real art.

El Guapo!

Alex Sanz
26 Jul 2002, 10:09 AM
Please explain "he isn't able to beat anyone on the dribble."

From what I've seen, Oscar is great on the dribble, especially in tight spaces. He can get out of jams, with three guys on him, like no one on this team.

sweeper33
26 Jul 2002, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by ElJefe

So what does "El Guapo" mean?

As a suburban white boy it's interesting to me to hear "El Jefe" ask for a definition of "El Guapo!"

Anyone know a good El Guapo chant?

Rocket
26 Jul 2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Alex Sanz
Please explain "he isn't able to beat anyone on the dribble."

From what I've seen, Oscar is great on the dribble, especially in tight spaces. He can get out of jams, with three guys on him, like no one on this team.
I believe Gazza's point is that while Oscar is very adept at maintaining position in tight quarters, he rarely attempts to take on defenders in upfield runs like, say, Peter Nowak or Chivas Martinez.

In my eyes, Pareja is more of a holding midfielder than a true attacking midfielder.

Alex Sanz
26 Jul 2002, 12:47 PM
Ok, that makes sense, VW. I agree, no doubt Oscar's a better holding midfielder, not as good at taking guys on as Vaca or martinez. But as a holding midfielder, he's outstanding, and worthy of league recognition. The problem is, it's not a glamourous position, so he doesn't get as noticed. The only time we notice, is when he's not there, which usually ends up in a Burn loss.

gotyourback
26 Jul 2002, 05:46 PM
invaluable... mvp talents... ability to "keep-the-ball-away" from three players at once... which means he "draws" players to try and dispossess him... then he neatly finds a diagonally-cutting forward for a legitmate, well-constructed attack... it really doesn't get any better... oscar is the Burn mvp... ...

DigitalTron
26 Jul 2002, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by PaulGascoigne
I like Oscar, he's definitely living the American dream ... Dangit Gazza! You're supposed to be on trial for DC United, not complimenting every MLS side! Get the back to DC Pronto! Sheesh, he gets in shape and already he's looking for a trade ...

Oh yeah, having Pareja there opens up a lot of things for Vaca, O'Brien (whom I still haven't seen play) and Chivas. But, there are a lot of good players this season, and with the USMNT thing, many weren't selected. Take Milton Reyes for example. If the Burn continue this fine run of form, there will be enough praise to go around.

-Tron