Boca v Pumas - Copa Sudamericana - Final (R)

[vipnerd]

Para empezar, aclarar que en las finales de Copa, NO HAY GOL DE VISITANTE.

Quiere decir que se juega como hasta hace poco ... si hay igualdad se pasa a penales.


Dale Boooooooooooo ...



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[elcombo]

boca campeon!

[Pibe#10]

¿Hoy juegan el primer partido?

EDIT - sip, a las 8pm EST pa' los que no sabían como yo :p

[Argentine Futbol]

Para empezar, aclarar que en las finales de Copa, NO HAY GOL DE VISITANTE.

Quiere decir que se juega como hasta hace poco ... si hay igualdad se pasa a penales.


Dale Boooooooooooo ...



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are you serious?

[ElDivino]

El partido sera muy cerrado..el resultado final dependera de lo que haga Pumas hoy...

[vipnerd]

are you serious?


The away goal rule does not apply in the finals of either Libertadores nor Sudamericana.



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[Argentine Futbol]

The away goal rule does not apply in the finals of either Libertadores nor Sudamericana.



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Damn, I must of missed that memo. Good, so that means that pumas will come out and play and not put 11 players behind the ball.

[efernandez9]

Uno está metido de lleno en la pelea por el título argentino y, confesamente, ha relegado la Copa Sudamericana a un :confused: segundo plano. El otro ya no busca nada en México y se juega todas sus cartas.

El choque entre Boca Juniors y Pumas en la final de la Copa Sudamericana presenta dos equipos en polos opuestos, pero que persiguen el mismo fin.

Pumas es apenas el segundo cuadro mexicano que llega a una final de un torneo de la Conmebol. En 2001, Cruz Azul perdió en los penales, precisamente ante Boca, la final de la Copa Libertadores.

El partido de ida se realizará esta noche en el estadio Universitario de Ciudad de México, y el de vuelta será el 18 de diciembre en Buenos Aires.

El cambio de fecha de los partidos agregó condimento a la final. Originalmente, estaban señalados para el 7 y 14 de diciembre, pero la Conmebol los cambió a última hora. (Horarios de tv?)

Los mexicanos eliminaron a Vélez Sarsfield en su semifinal con una goleada 4-0 en el partido de vuelta, después de empatar sin goles en Buenos Aires.

El visitante, por su parte, tuvo que comerse las uñas para eliminar a la Universidad Católica. Igualaron 2-2 en Buenos Aires, y Boca se impuso 1-0 en la vuelta en Chile.

El cuadro argentino Boca tiene en duda a su volante Sebastián Battaglia por una contractura en pierna derecha. Si queda descartado, su lugar será ocupado por Pablo Ledesma. También se comenta que el técnico de Boca Alfio Basile jugaría con un solo delantero, Rodrigo Palacio, poblando más el mediocampo, es decir un planteamiento conservador.

El partido arrancará a las 8:15 p.m

Alineaciones probables:

Pumas: Sergio Bernal, Israel Castro, Joaquín Beltrán, Darío Verón, Gonzalo Pineda, Marco Palacios, Gerardo Galindo, Leandro Augusto, Ailton Da Silva, Antonio de Nigris y Bruno Marioni.
Boca: Roberto Abbondanzieri, Hugo Ibarra, Rolando Schiavi, Daniel Díaz, Juan Krupoviesa, Sebastián Battaglia, Fernando Gago, Daniel Bilos, Federico Insúa, Rodrigo Palacio y Martín Palermo

[cordobesenUS]

Congratulations bocaaa

[vipnerd]

I can't believe the commentators at FSE in the US ... mostly a Mexican crew at the stadium, but also in their studio in LA ... how the fok don't they know there is NO AWAY GOAL RULE in the finals? How do these clowns prepare themselves to broadcast? :rolleyes:

Damn ... the only real reason why I didn't want Pumas in the Final was missing the broadcast from Niembro and Closs. :mad:

Back to the game ... I want to be completely honest ... I CAN NOT SEE THE ENTIRE BALL OVER THE LINE. I expect a BIG protest from Boca to CONMEBOL ... the irresponsible local controllers of the images at the stadium kept repeating and repeating the image of the "dubious goal". There is suppossed to be NO REPETITIONS of any sort on those screens. Not in Europe ... not in South America. It can only create problems and risk the security of the event.

Finally ... tuff draw, as Boca had no oxygen in the last 25 minutes. Pumas were close to win ... just as Boca should had clinically put the game in the freezer in the 1st half.

12 days to prepare for Pumas ... Boca still has business to take care in the local tournie. ;)


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[EL MONO MARIO]

Boca afrontó su primera instancia de definición y salió bien parado. El equipo Xeneize consiguió un empate 1 a 1 en México ante los Pumas que lo deja bien perfilado para el encuentro de vuelta en la Bombonera. La primera parte de la final de la Copa Sudamericana fue emotiva y ambos equipos tuvieron chances de quedarse con la victoria. eL gOL LO MARCO RODRIGO PALACIOS.

FSC commenators from yesterday were a joke.. A sad reflection of NO TALENTS.

[Argentine Futbol]

Boca afrontó su primera instancia de definición y salió bien parado. El equipo Xeneize consiguió un empate 1 a 1 en México ante los Pumas que lo deja bien perfilado para el encuentro de vuelta en la Bombonera. La primera parte de la final de la Copa Sudamericana fue emotiva y ambos equipos tuvieron chances de quedarse con la victoria. eL gOL LO MARCO RODRIGO PALACIOS.

FSC commenators from yesterday were a joke.. A sad reflection of NO TALENTS.


What do you expect? THEY ARE MEXICANS..They have no futbol culture and can't even analyze a simple game..all their talent is bought. Too bad Palermo couldn't score with that header.

[elcombo]

FSC commenators from yesterday were a joke.. A sad reflection of NO TALENTS.

Yeah thats true they have no knowledge of the game...
the argentinians are good at least they know the players names.

[ElDivino]

Pumas la cago...tenia para mucho mas...el primer tiempo era de Boca..pero el segundo domino Pumas..y facil mente le pudo meter 3..pero no entraron...y ahora es muy complicado para que sean Campeon....pero en el futbol nada es impossible......

[argentine soccer fan]

A friend of mine was listening on the Mexican radio (I think 830 in Los Angeles) and he said that the Mexican anouncers didn't even call Boca's goal. They kept saying it was offside. Then they finally admited it was a goal, and the anouncer said something like 'yo lo vi offside, ha de ser el Puma adentro mio.'

[vipnerd]

Only today does Conmebol ratify the procedure for the definition of the Final :rolleyes:

http://www.conmebol.com/comunicados_ver.jsp?id=58429&slangab=S

http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v4/pagina.jsp?pagId=1103298


There is AWAY GOAL RULE.


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[Disco Dale]

I think CONMEBOL said that the website was wrong and there would be away goals before kick off - hence the commentators talking about it.

At the match my immediate reaction was that the goal did cross the line, I was also shocked to see the replay on the big screens. Maybe they thought that if it CLEARLY showed the ball did not cross the line it would calm the situation down. unfortunately it wasn't that clear, and I still think it was in. pero, asi es la vida.

Not seen the Boca goal on the telly, but I didn't even think there was a suspicion of off-side.

A game of two halfs, certainly, and was glad we gave such a good show of ourselves in the second half, but I guess we will be regretting a couple of missed chances when we go to your place in a couple of weeks. Still the tie is still alive, and anything can happen...

Its amusing to hear you all complaining about the Mexican commentators, on the Mexican forums everyone complains about the Argentinian commentators! Still, no surprise, I guess. Since coming to live in Mexico (I'm European) I haven't come across commentators from anyway in America who seem to know anything about football, Argentinian, Mexican, Yank etc...

Anyway, I know you have a heavy schedule at the moment... can you tell me just how many games you've got until we meet again? Cheers

[cordobesenUS]

I can't believe the commentators at FSE in the US ... mostly a Mexican crew at the stadium, but also in their studio in LA ... how the fok don't they know there is NO AWAY GOAL RULE in the finals? How do these clowns prepare themselves to broadcast? :rolleyes:

Damn ... the only real reason why I didn't want Pumas in the Final was missing the broadcast from Niembro and Closs. :mad:

Back to the game ... I want to be completely honest ... I CAN NOT SEE THE ENTIRE BALL OVER THE LINE. I expect a BIG protest from Boca to CONMEBOL ... the irresponsible local controllers of the images at the stadium kept repeating and repeating the image of the "dubious goal". There is suppossed to be NO REPETITIONS of any sort on those screens. Not in Europe ... not in South America. It can only create problems and risk the security of the event.

Finally ... tuff draw, as Boca had no oxygen in the last 25 minutes. Pumas were close to win ... just as Boca should had clinically put the game in the freezer in the 1st half.

12 days to prepare for Pumas ... Boca still has business to take care in the local tournie. ;)


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Oh yeahh man, those mexican commentators are absolutely biased. Have no doubt about that. They probably bought their degrees also, I heard one can become a neurosurgeon for 1000 bucks over there. They can barely speak "understandable spanish" they don't know the word impartial. When the "imaginary goal happened , not even the linesman called it a goal and the mexican commentator was already calling it a goal even though he wasn't sure. That's simply unprofessional. They are going to be crying the rest of the year about this.

[HarleyDavidson]

Periodicos argentinos publicaron esta noticia
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‘Papelón’: cambio de reglamento

‘Es una historia típica del futbol sudamericano’, señaló en sus páginas de ayer 'Clarín', de Argentina

08 de diciembre de 2005

BUENOS AIRES. — Como un “papelón” fue tomado en Argentina el cambio a último momento del reglamento de la final por la Copa Sudamericana, entre Boca Juniors y los Pumas de la UNAM.

Poco antes del empate 1-1 entre argentinos y mexicanos, la noche del martes en el Distrito Federal, las autoridades del futbol sudamericano decidieron que el gol como visitante vale doble.

Esa norma tuvo vigencia para las anteriores etapas de la Sudamericana. Pero para la final el reglamento era claro: remarcaba que el tanto afuera de casa valía doble “excepto en las finales”, donde la definición en caso de empate en puntos era por el mayor saldo de goles.

“Papelón”, dice el deportivo Olé por esa variante reglamentaria, que según ese diario fue conocida por Boca y Pumas “a menos de cuatro horas del comienzo del juego”.

Clarín destaca que ese cambio es “una historia típica del futbol sudamericano, bien lejana al organizado y serio futbol europeo”.

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On a different note...

Question: What's university hands out the fastes professional degrees??

Answer: Aerolineas Argentinas :D