Wenger's Ignorance [R]

[red & wite army]

OK, we were totally outplayed, and convincibly beaten 0-2.

Bolton totally outplayed and outclassed us in the air and midfield and other places. We all know that we are poor in the air.

In articles and interviews with players, i have read that they say that Wenger works on what they are good at, and leave their weaknesses.

I believe this is the attitude with the team aswell.

There is no doubt Wenger is a brilliant coach who has done brilliantly for us, but all coaches have their flaws.

For a team that expects to win trophies, we need to be good at all aspects of the game, otherwise we can't beat teams like Bolton that are better at us in other aspects of the game.

I think this is where we trip up against Boltons or teams in the CL.

Do you guys agree that Wengers ignorance to ignore other parts of our game needs to be dealt with.

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[antifan]

I agree, Wenger's passing has been poor and too many cheap giveaways in the middle of the park have cost us dearly. :rolleyes:

[footykid]

I agree, Wenger's passing has been poor and too many cheap giveaways in the middle of the park have cost us dearly. :rolleyes:

I'd have to agree with anti..since vierra's departure, Wenger has been looking very exposed in the middle of the park. Give aways,
non-comital, piss poor defending, I say we should sell him to Real, before he loses any market value.:rolleyes:

[red & wite army]

I agree, Wenger's passing has been poor and too many cheap giveaways in the middle of the park have cost us dearly. :rolleyes:

My question was not even ambiguous. I am simply asking a serious question, and i wanted to see what other Arsenal fans who want to speak about our performances say.

We all know that Wenger is a great coach who has done alot for us, bu all coaches have their flaws.

Now if any other people who actually want to answer my question and help me, go ahead ;)

[antifan]

I'd have to agree with anti..since vierra's departure, Wenger has been looking very exposed in the middle of the park. Give aways,
non-comital, piss poor defending, I say we should sell him to Real, before he loses any market value.:rolleyes:
I don't know about selling him, but i'd like to see him benched for the next game. ;)

[antifan]

My question was not even ambiguous. I am simply asking a serious question, and i wanted to see what other Arsenal fans who want to speak about our performances say.

We all know that Wenger is a great coach who has done alot for us, bu all coaches have their flaws.

Now if any other people who actually want to answer my question and help me, go ahead ;)
Wenger has made some mistakes this season, he always has. But he's not the one out on the pitch playing poorly and not giving his best.

[red & wite army]

Yes, very true, there is only so much a coach can do on a training ground, the rest is up to the players....
BUT....
when a team is quite obviously inexperienced in key aspects of the game like heading, you can't ignore it.

And yes, you can't do much about it when players won't put their foot in, I think this is due to the fact that they value themselves higher.

[antifan]

Yes, very true, there is only so much a coach can do on a training ground, the rest is up to the players....
BUT....
when a team is quite obviously inexperienced in key aspects of the game like heading, you can't ignore it.

And yes, you can't do much about it when players won't put their foot in, I think this is due to the fact that they value themselves higher.
I've always been in favor of Wenger adding some new blood to his staff. He does have blind spots, and another set of eyes and ears and another point of view as far as tactics and substitutions could help improve performances. Paul Le Guen still hasn't taken a managing job and i'm hoping there is some truth to the old rumors of him coming into Arsenal's setup.

[jegerpenge]

Actually, we have a tough time against Bolton every time we play them. I for one think it is stubbornness on Wenger's part to not change his tactics for this game. It happens every year that we end up dropping points against them because their manager has figured out a way to stop our game. So the question is, why not change our game? Throw him a curveball and he we may be able to come out with all three points next time.

[yossarian]

Yes, very true, there is only so much a coach can do on a training ground, the rest is up to the players....
BUT....
when a team is quite obviously inexperienced in key aspects of the game like heading, you can't ignore it.

And yes, you can't do much about it when players won't put their foot in, I think this is due to the fact that they value themselves higher.

But our "inexperience" in heading....to use your terms wasn't really what cost us today, was it?

Yes, Bolton's first goal came on a cross but it was poor defending by Toure and Cygan to not cut out the first cross that Lauren flicked away.....and then it was poor defending/lack of tracking back by Freddie that allowed Stelios to be wide open to play that second little lob across the box. At that point it was too late.....Fabregas was marking Faye but since he's about a foot shorter....there wasn't much he could do, was there?

Bolton's second goal....obviously had nothing to do with our inability to head the ball. It was totally a case of Gilberto's been mostly crap this season and a picture-perfect manifestation of that crappiness with his give-away by trying to be cute with ball instead being safe and playing it out.

[Catfish]

If Wenger doesn't splash some cash in the Jan transfer market, I see mass exodus and players avoiding Arsenal for a few years.

[yossarian]

If Wenger doesn't splash some cash in the Jan transfer market, I see mass exodus and players avoiding Arsenal for a few years.

I'm incredibly frustrated by today's result as well......but I don't think things are quite as dire as this.

[Catfish]

I'm incredibly frustrated by today's result as well......but I don't think things are quite as dire as this.
I'm just saying emotions can take over and destroy a team. Players that usually love one another get annoyed and then pissed off with each other when you are used to winning trophies. But concerning players bolting, Wenger doesn't bring someone in Jan and/or the summer.
Henry is a goner.

[Arsonists]

We need some balls! Ray Parlour type balls! Gilbert O'Silva can play like that for Ireland but this is the EPL.

[Gooner_for_Life]

I agree that we need to bring in somone and i think it needs to be in Jan. I am getting real nervous about the Henry saga and the Cole saga.

What a way to start my day though by seeing we lost 2-0. :(

[Howard Zinn]

Yes, very true, there is only so much a coach can do on a training ground, the rest is up to the players....
BUT....
when a team is quite obviously inexperienced in key aspects of the game like heading, you can't ignore it.

And yes, you can't do much about it when players won't put their foot in, I think this is due to the fact that they value themselves higher.


Somebody should give Wenger the same advice that SAF once got: You can't win with kids. ;)

[Girlbinti]

Do you guys agree that Wengers ignorance to ignore other parts of our game needs to be dealt with.

:confused:

I think to associate Wenger with "ignorance" is quite harsh. Having said that, it was frustrating watching the game, knowing that Wenger was not going to shake things up at half time, even though it was clear we had hardly done anything in midfield and attack in the first half.
Our experienced outfield players let us down today. IMHO, Lehmann was our best player today. I am sure many will agree that we need at least two experienced players to join the team in January.

[red & wite army]

Ok the dictionary definition of it is 'The condition of being ignorant; lack of knowledge or learning'.

I think that, though he is an absolutely superb coach, he is ignoring to teach or incourage (learn) players other key parts in football.

I'm not using it as a rude term, but rather a sort of 'harsh adjective'! lol :D

BTW, Sorry about adding a dictionary definition,lol ;)

[Cannon]

At that point it was too late.....Fabregas was marking Faye but since he's about a foot shorter....there wasn't much he could do, was there?

Well not placing Cesc to cover that area of the box would be a start, right? I've never understood why Wenger places him in a position where many "2nd chance" balls are going to be coming down. Sure he tackles well and will fight for the ball but any ball in the air (which most of those 2nd chances will be) is going to be tough for him to defend. On a related note: watching Sol and Cygan converge on the same ball during set pieces is bad enough but watching them both lose out to a single Bolton player really drives me nuts. Then of course the ball starts banging around the box and anything can happen. Time for Wenger to bring in someone with a clue on how to defend set pieces.

Bolton's second goal....obviously had nothing to do with our inability to head the ball. It was totally a case of Gilberto's been mostly crap this season and a picture-perfect manifestation of that crappiness with his give-away by trying to be cute with ball instead being safe and playing it out.
I'm trying to see the positive here. Maybe Wenger will see how crap Gilberto has been and realize that he needs to buy a CM this winter. Probably not going to happen but I've got to hope.

[yossarian]

Somebody should give Wenger the same advice that SAF once got: You can't win with kids. ;)

I realize your tongue is planted firmly in cheek here....but sadly we can't even use "kids" as an excuse for that wretched display.