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truetrini
28 Nov 2005, 01:47 PM
Having gained Independence eleven years earlier on August 31, 1962, Trinidad and Tobago had every reason to prove to the rest of the world that it was ready to stand on its own when it began its bid in 1973.
Several of the players had been exposed to professional and semi-professional football.

Among them were New York based Warren Archibald, Selris Figaro, Selwyn Murren, Everald ‘Gally’ Cummings and semi-professional Anthony Douglas who was based in Canada.

The Football Association had also hired an International coach in Englishman Kevin Verity who was assisted by locals Edgar Vidale (assistant coach), Ken Henry (trainer) and Polly Regis (physiotherapist).
Ivan Carter was chef de mission and Oliver Camps, manager.

The full team team was: Gerald Figeroux, Kelvin Barclay, Devenish Paul (goalkeepers), Russell Tesheira, Raymond Moraldo, Selwyn Murren (captain), Selris Figaro, Winston Phillips (defenders),
Cummings, Dennis Morgan, Sydney Augustine, Leon Carpette, Anthony Douglas, Peter Mitchell (midfielders), Steve Khan, Wilfred Cave, Ray Roberts, Leo Brewster, Steve David and Warren Archibald (forwards).

Earlier the team had bulldozed its way through the first round where it headed group six with 11-1 and 2-1 victories over Antigua and a 1-all home result and 2-1 away win against Suriname.

All that remained between them and Germany was Haiti, Mexico, Guatemala, Netherland Antilles and Honduras.

Trinidad lost its first game 0-1 to Honduras and knew that it was vital to collect two points in the second game against the host.

They put up one of their best performances from a local team in major football competitions,scoring five goals but at the end of the game, the score read Haiti 2 Trinidad and Tobago 1.

The game will forever remained etched in the minds of the local fans as one in which their team was robbed and denied of an opportunity to play in the World Cup.

It was marred by some of the worst officiating in a match of such magnitude and later, the referee Jose Enrique of El Salvador and Canadian linesman James Higuet were both banned for life by the FIFA.

A report of the match in the Trinidad Guardian of December 6, 1973, written by Keith Sheppard who covered the tournament tells the story:Sheppard wrote:

“If I had not seen it with my own eyes, I would not believe it. Trinidad and Tobago scored five times and should have gotten a penalty in each session but lost 1-2 to Haiti in a very one-sided match at the Sylvia Cator Stadium here last night.

They say goals win matches. This is one time they didn’t.

I know it will be hard for the pessimistic fans home to believe. But our boys played over through and around the home team from start to finish so much so that Philippe Vorbe, voted Player of the tournament in Trinidad two years ago, looked like an ordinary schoolboy and even the Haitian people hardly noticed that he voluntarily left the field eight minutes before time.

Perhaps it was voodoo working against us but for those who do not care for the supernatural, I can blame it on the very strange decisions of referee Jose Enrique (El Salvador) and James Higuet (Canada).

They virtually nailed us to the cross. Because of last night, the team which played like champs are now likely to return home as chumps. Henrique who does not understand a word of English, decided it was a goal in the 12th minute when a long throw from Winston Phillips landed in the net after brushing off a Haiti defender. It looked legal to me and to the referee on the spot.

But with the ball ready to be kicked off, Haitians in the crowd drew the players attention to the fact that the linesman Higuet’s flag was up. I do not know what Higuet could have said but his action, signifying that the goalie had been jostled were strange since Rudy Roberts was the only player close enough to worry the goalie and did nothing of the sort suddenly found favour with the referee whom I repeat had been on the spot and had said goal.

This was just the first of many strange decisions which caused players and officials to be in tears when the final whistle came and many Haitians to line the streets and cheer us on the way back to
the hotel.

At the time of the first disallowed goal, TT was trailing 0-1 on a ninth minute goal from Emmanuel Sanon - his third of the series. He was on spot to tap home a low cross from right winger Claude Bartholomew which had eluded the TT defenders.

Two minutes after this setback, however, Steve David notched the second goal of the series to win a case of beer bet with one of TT’s leading pessimists ‘Short Mikey’ from Belmont. Archibald went up the left flank and sent over a low pass for David to do the rest.

That was the signal for an all out 0nslaught on the Haiti goal.

In the 30th minute, another Phillips throw tweaked goalie Henri Francillon fingers and landed in the net.

No goal, of course. Seconds later, a Cummings crack had Francillon diving to hold and the same player shot off a
bullet from about 20 yards which was back in play off the upright before Francillion could move.

It was really vintage soccer and Archibald made the unofficial half time score 4-1 by heading in the ball after Cummings had taken it to the line before squaring it back. Why was it disallowed?

Ask linesman Higuet.

He ruled offside.

The second half was a carbon copy of the first. The midfield trio of Douglas, Moraldo and Cummings so dominated play that Haiti had only two cracks from well outside the box before getting the winner during a scrimmage in the 87th minute from left winger Roger St Vin.

In the 61st minute a Roberts’ flick bounced off Francillon’s shoulder and fell on an obliging Steve David head. Again the decision went against us. It was ruled a foul on the goalie.

After the match everyone was sympathetic towards us. But who cared. We were robbed for sure.

No hand shake will change that.

“I will never forget this night as long as I live,” said English professional coach Kevin Verity.

Ron Newman, coach of the US pro soccer team Dallas Tornado also had a comment. “You can quote me on this. You were robbed. I have never seen anything like this in my life.”

Needless to say our boys are disgruntled. Some are saying they are not feeling to play any more.

I can understand that feeling. It was real tough luck...”
With much to prove, the local team went back into action and won their next three games, including a 4-0 whipping over tournament favourites, Mexico.

Cummings scored in a 1-0 win against Guatemala and he added two more against Mexico while David and Archibald also got on the score sheet.

David, however, stole the show against the Netherlands, getting a beaver-trick.

He eventually won the prize for the most goals. Cummings was voted ‘Player of the tournament.’and Kelvin Barclay was the best goalkeeper.

Trinidad and Tobago also collected $47,000 for placing second in the tournament while each player was presented with a gold wrist watch by ‘Baby Doc’ Duvalier, president of Haiti.

But these were no consolation as Haiti had ended the series with eight points, including the dubious two from their victory against Trinidad and Tobago who fiished second with six points.

Manager Oliver Camps later described the Haiti game as one of the most difficult in his life. “Big men were crying like babies. Some lost the urge to get off the ground and return to the dressing room. I don’t know which match the referee and linesman were seeing but it certainly wasn’t the
one between Haiti and Trinidad and Tobago.”
Trinidad and Tobago eventually filed a protest and although all the officials were banned, the results stood.

For all those who say that T&T deosn't deserve to be in Germany 2006....I say it has come full circle..we more than deserve it!! It is our destiny!

ScoringChance
29 Nov 2005, 01:59 PM
Wow! Thanks for the details on that. I had never heard about those incidents, it was an interesting read. It's sad that things like that should happen.

However, let me play devil's advocate here: Haiti's only official loss came in its last one and final game of the whole qualifying tournament, a then-meaningless one against Mexico. Had Haiti lost to T&T like it should've, the two teams would've been level and Haiti would've needed a draw in that final game. Knowing that, they would've played with more hunger in that last game, that's for sure, and might not have lost it. Of course, we'll never know, but it would've been a fair qualification, either way.

Now about '06: good luck to T&T, hopefully you guys can create some upsets.

truetrini
29 Nov 2005, 02:01 PM
Wow! Thanks for the details on that. I had never heard about those incidents, it was an interesting read. It's sad that things like that should happen.

However, let me play devil's advocate here: Haiti's only official loss came in its last one and final game of the whole qualifying tournament, a then-meaningless one against Mexico. Had Haiti lost to T&T like it should've, the two teams would've been level and Haiti would've needed a draw in that final game. Knowing that, they would've played with more hunger in that last game, that's for sure, and might not have lost it. Of course, we'll never know, but it would've been a fair qualification, either way.

Now about '06: good luck to T&T, hopefully you guys can create some upsets.

Haiti would have come second to T&T based on goal difference and we would have won the group. Remember Mexico were faves to win it all. if haiti had lost to T&T then we would have had 3 teams fighting on the same points.

T&T would have won on superior goal difference

ScoringChance
29 Nov 2005, 02:20 PM
Haiti would have come second to T&T based on goal difference and we would have won the group. Remember Mexico were faves to win it all. if haiti had lost to T&T then we would have had 3 teams fighting on the same points.

T&T would have won on superior goal difference

You're right, Mexico were the favourites, but they were out by the time they played Haiti and that game was meaningless for both already-qualified Haiti and eliminated Mexico. Now if you add two points to T&T and subtract two from Haiti, those two are tied, but would Haiti have played the Mexico game the same way if it had meant qualification at the end? Here's a source:

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/p/pwc/q/rslt.html?tr=WC1974PRLCTCNCCF&stg=WC1974PRLCTCNCCFFNLR

It doesn't mean T&T wouldn't have qualified. It just means you can't be 100% certain about that, because if Haiti ties Mexico in the last game, they win the group no matter the outcome of the T&T - Haiti game (Haiti would then have been 3-1-1 and T&T 3-0-2). Still, based on merit, it does seem T&T deserved it more.

California Jack
29 Nov 2005, 03:04 PM
I remember TruTrini's enthusiasm for the Soca Warriors back in January, and I remember dissing T&T repeatedly. So to make amends, I've repped TruTrini and suggest that anyone else who underestimated T&T do the same.

Thanks for the good read, and good luck to your boys in Germany. I really hope you surprise some people.

midknight
29 Nov 2005, 03:16 PM
You're right, Mexico were the favourites, but they were out by the time they played Haiti and that game was meaningless for both already-qualified Haiti and eliminated Mexico. Now if you add two points to T&T and subtract two from Haiti, those two are tied, but would Haiti have played the Mexico game the same way if it had meant qualification at the end? Here's a source:

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/p/pwc/q/rslt.html?tr=WC1974PRLCTCNCCF&stg=WC1974PRLCTCNCCFFNLR

It doesn't mean T&T wouldn't have qualified. It just means you can't be 100% certain about that, because if Haiti ties Mexico in the last game, they win the group no matter the outcome of the T&T - Haiti game (Haiti would then have been 3-1-1 and T&T 3-0-2). Still, based on merit, it does seem T&T deserved it more.

I've always wondered about this a lot but its hard to be that objective about it when your dad has been ranting about "how we got robbed in haiti" since you know football.

I wish i could get a holds of those team lineups to see the squad mexico and haiti put out on the last day (and compare it with their core squads) as well as a video (or at least a match report) of the match against Honduras to understand how we lost to a team that couldn't even beat the Netherland Antilles (who shipped a collective 15 goals from the top 3 teams in the competition). I'd like same for the two matches Haiti played against Guatemala and Honduras. I also want to know if these two officials were involved in any other doubtful decisions in other matches.

Your point is very valid, but I think 9 out of 10 neutral, objective fans would have gone home with the feeling that the best team didn't win the tournament and with no small suspicion that the fact that the tournament was held in a country ruled by a tyrannical dictator had something to do with it... :(

Adam Zebrowski
29 Nov 2005, 03:22 PM
about 10-15 years ago, there was a guy from t&t 40-45 years old who was coaching some youngsters in the neighborhood...

he was working several jobs to support his family back home....


he claimed to have played for trinidad back in the 70's....

his mode of transportation was riding his bike everywhere...to work, to practice....

one day, some fool woman yapping on her cell phone, nailed him....

poor guy had NO health coverage...

rich chick got off with probation...

poor guy can't walk now, much less kick a ball around...

ScoringChance
29 Nov 2005, 03:32 PM
Your point is very valid, but I think 9 out of 10 neutral, objective fans would have gone home with the feeling that the best team didn't win the tournament and with no small suspicion that the fact that the tournament was held in a country ruled by a tyrannical dictator had something to do with it... :(

You're right, indeed. My point was more mathematical than to try and find which team was better. You have to wonder what FIFA officials were thinking when they decided the CONCACAF tournament would be held in Haiti at that time. And that was the same year Chile qualified at the expense of the USSR, who refused to play the return leg of a play-off in a stadium used to execute people during the Allende coup. Tough year for FIFA!

nutbar
29 Nov 2005, 03:56 PM
You're right, indeed. My point was more mathematical than to try and find which team was better. You have to wonder what FIFA officials were thinking when they decided the CONCACAF tournament would be held in Haiti at that time. And that was the same year Chile qualified at the expense of the USSR, who refused to play the return leg of a play-off in a stadium used to execute people during the Allende coup. Tough year for FIFA!

Those really were strange times, but looking at the bizzare decision to replay the first Uzbekistan - Bahrain match, maybe things haven't changed that much...

Years from now we will be talking about the time Uzbekistan's chance to qualify for a World Cup went down the drain.

truetrini
29 Nov 2005, 04:37 PM
Hey no problems. I rememerb being beat about the head for supporting T&T, but I always knew this team, although the weakest T&T team for many years ahd heart and determination.

we pulled it off and I am going to spend some money to see tham play in Germany.

Peace

Smoga
29 Nov 2005, 09:41 PM
about 10-15 years ago, there was a guy from t&t 40-45 years old who was coaching some youngsters in the neighborhood...

he was working several jobs to support his family back home....


he claimed to have played for trinidad back in the 70's....

his mode of transportation was riding his bike everywhere...to work, to practice....

one day, some fool woman yapping on her cell phone, nailed him....

poor guy had NO health coverage...

rich chick got off with probation...

poor guy can't walk now, much less kick a ball around...

I wouldn't feel so bad for this guy, Adam, outside of the fact that he is no longer able to play/coach the sport that he loves. Any self respecting PI attorney would jump at the chance to take this case in tort for negligence (especially since she was rich and that negligence per se has been established by her getting probation).

King-James
29 Nov 2005, 10:43 PM
I wouldn't feel so bad for this guy, Adam, outside of the fact that he is no longer able to play/coach the sport that he loves. Any self respecting PI attorney would jump at the chance to take this case in tort for negligence (especially since she was rich and that negligence per se has been established by her getting probation).

I don't know. Not being able to walk can be a major bitch. Though maybe it's not that bad if you can still go places (obviously there are (powered) wheelchairs around these days).

tamachan
30 Nov 2005, 04:36 AM
Those really were strange times, but looking at the bizzare decision to replay the first Uzbekistan - Bahrain match, maybe things haven't changed that much...

Years from now we will be talking about the time Uzbekistan's chance to qualify for a World Cup went down the drain.



It was political that desision. The Uzbek government slaughtered some political protesters a couple months before that if you recall and wouldnt let the UN investigate properly. Its a subtle form of payback that countries use like Paris not getting the Olympics for being so openly anti-iraq war. Its how the world goes round.

midknight
30 Nov 2005, 06:20 AM
It was political that desision. The Uzbek government slaughtered some political protesters a couple months before that if you recall and wouldnt let the UN investigate properly. Its a subtle form of payback that countries use like Paris not getting the Olympics for being so openly anti-iraq war. Its how the world goes round.

Hmm...for being pacifist and adhering to the principles of the equality of nations, fairness and goodwill, the ideals of the olympic games, Paris doesn't get the Olympics?
Well one would think that New York was the prime candaidate then, right?
Come on man, you may have a vaguely correct point somewhere in there, but slaughtering political prisoners can't really be equated to supporting an illegal war, now can it? :rolleyes:

And since when does FIFA have principles? They let Chile beat a no show USSR in a stadium where political prisoners had been slaughtered by Pinochet to qualify in 74.

Excuse the expression, but this is classic BS ;)

Smoga
30 Nov 2005, 06:14 PM
Hopefully all the T&T fans felt at least some satisfaction after Poland humiliated Haiti 7:0 at the World Cup. This was the first World Cup game that I remember watching, and the score could have been even higher.

California Jack
30 Nov 2005, 06:49 PM
Hmm...for being pacifist and adhering to the principles of the equality of nations, fairness and goodwill, the ideals of the olympic games, Paris doesn't get the Olympics?
Well one would think that New York was the prime candaidate then, right?
Come on man, you may have a vaguely correct point somewhere in there, but slaughtering political prisoners can't really be equated to supporting an illegal war, now can it? :rolleyes:

And since when does FIFA have principles? They let Chile beat a no show USSR in a stadium where political prisoners had been slaughtered by Pinochet to qualify in 74.

Excuse the expression, but this is classic BS ;)

If you feel you have the moral authority to take a swipe at the US's "illegal" war, whilst sitting in France, that well-known taker of courageous stands for the oppressed, do it on a political board at least.

This board is supposed to be about T&T.

Sagy
01 Dec 2005, 12:21 AM
You're right, Mexico were the favourites, but they were out by the time they played Haiti and that game was meaningless for both already-qualified Haiti and eliminated Mexico. Now if you add two points to T&T and subtract two from Haiti, those two are tied, but would Haiti have played the Mexico game the same way if it had meant qualification at the end? Here's a source:

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/p/pwc/q/rslt.html?tr=WC1974PRLCTCNCCF&stg=WC1974PRLCTCNCCFFNLR

It doesn't mean T&T wouldn't have qualified. It just means you can't be 100% certain about that, because if Haiti ties Mexico in the last game, they win the group no matter the outcome of the T&T - Haiti game (Haiti would then have been 3-1-1 and T&T 3-0-2). Still, based on merit, it does seem T&T deserved it more.I might be missing something, if T&T would have beat Haiti they would have finished 4-0-1 (loss to Honduras) and Haiti even with a win over Mexico would have done no better than 4-0-1 at the time GD would have been use as tie break and it looks like T&T had the edge. The Haiti game did cost T&T qualification to the 1974 WC.

BTW, the table on the yahoo site is wrong (yes, I know it is the FIFA official World cup site). They awarded 3 points for victory; in 1973 only 2 points were awarded for each win.

ScoringChance
01 Dec 2005, 08:56 AM
I might be missing something, if T&T would have beat Haiti they would have finished 4-0-1 (loss to Honduras) and Haiti even with a win over Mexico would have done no better than 4-0-1 at the time GD would have been use as tie break and it looks like T&T had the edge. The Haiti game did cost T&T qualification to the 1974 WC.

BTW, the table on the yahoo site is wrong (yes, I know it is the FIFA official World cup site). They awarded 3 points for victory; in 1973 only 2 points were awarded for each win.

Damn! You're right! My bad. Miscalculation... oh well, let's blame it on the yahoo site. ;)

Seriously, sorry for the mistake. I forgot T&T would've had one more win, I only gave Haiti the T&T loss without adding a win to T&T. I'll double, triple-check next time! :o

midknight
01 Dec 2005, 10:18 AM
If you feel you have the moral authority to take a swipe at the US's "illegal" war, whilst sitting in France, that well-known taker of courageous stands for the oppressed, do it on a political board at least.

This board is supposed to be about T&T.

I wasn't the one that brought up politics. You'd have noticed that if you had read the thread carefully that someone else went off on a tangent about the uzbekistan bahrain match and then the olympic games...

I have the 'moral authority' to do whatever I want. You're inferring that my being in France would make me some sort of anti american. Well I'm not a French citizen...all I do is study here, I'm not even eligible for resident status, just like tons of trinidadians study in the states and reserve their right to agree or disagree with the US government's foreign policy.

I'm not suggesting that the French get any bonus points for not supporting the war in my book...an imperialist state rests an imperialist state, whether or not it loses its military might. Even if they do, it doesn't make the US war any less illegal (read up a bit on how the Security Council of the UN works)

And thank you very much for your insightful reminder. This board IS supposed to be about T and T...So back to the subject...

Soca Warriors, in 2006 we giving them lix!!!! :D

midknight
01 Dec 2005, 10:21 AM
by the way my 'non pertinent political anti american post should have read "slaughtering political prisoners cannot be equated to NOT supporting an illegal war"...

peace ;)