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ZonaGunner
23 Nov 2005, 09:00 AM
It continues to just be bizarre how no matter who Arsenal plays their CL game is the one where there are no highlights of the game shown on FSW Report. It happens again and again. Is there some weird contract thing that says you can't show Arsenal highlights the same night or something?

Second, I watch the top ten goals last night, assuming that Henry's stunning free kick goal which he kissed off the inside of the post against Wigan on saturday will be one of the top ones. OK, six through 10 go by and no Henry goal, but that's ok, as it was surely top five material. They have the Jimmy Bullard goal against Arsenal at #9 or so, which is ok, as it was a nice goal, but nowhere near Henry's brilliance. So then later in the show they show the top five and lo and behold, they've totally left out Henry's free kick goal, which may well be the free kick of the year so far! Somebody really dropped the ball on that one, especially as they got another, far less impressive goal from the same game!

TarheelJTK
23 Nov 2005, 09:15 AM
Do Gunners always b!tch? They usually leave out the highlights of Arsenal in the CL because they aren't important or exciting matches. They have a ridiculously easy draw and there are more important highlights to show. As for the Bullard goal not being that impressive, I thought it was very well done especially when you consider that it's Bullard pulling it off. He did manage to make the Arsenal defense look quite silly (even though that's not that difficult to do these days) and hit a perfect strike. Henry's was impressive but they probably felt that it was time to give others a spot on the top 10 considering that in terms of what Henry can do that wasn't that great of a goal.

joebloe888
23 Nov 2005, 10:32 AM
It continues to just be bizarre how no matter who Arsenal plays their CL game is the one where there are no highlights of the game shown on FSW Report. It happens again and again. Is there some weird contract thing that says you can't show Arsenal highlights the same night or something?

FSW Report CANNOT air UEFA Champions League highlights of any game that is scheduled for a delayed premiere broadcast on ESPN Deportes (US) or TSN (Canada) after 10pm Eastern Time.

Thun-Arsenal was scheduled to air on ESPN Deportes at midnight ET.

ZonaGunner
23 Nov 2005, 10:33 AM
Do Gunners always b!tch? They usually leave out the highlights of Arsenal in the CL because they aren't important or exciting matches. They have a ridiculously easy draw and there are more important highlights to show. As for the Bullard goal not being that impressive, I thought it was very well done especially when you consider that it's Bullard pulling it off. He did manage to make the Arsenal defense look quite silly (even though that's not that difficult to do these days) and hit a perfect strike. Henry's was impressive but they probably felt that it was time to give others a spot on the top 10 considering that in terms of what Henry can do that wasn't that great of a goal.
So you are saying they purposely leave out top goals from players who often score top goals because there's some kind of "top ten goals welfare" going on on the FSW Report to spread the top ten goals appearances around to more players? Ha, that's funny. I laughed out loud when I read that one.

And after another goalless ugly totally uninteresting ManU CL game gets top billing and extensive coverage, your first contention about why they don't show Arsenal highlights is obviously not true. I mean they show a number of plays from that game that are marginally interesting to begin with as the goalless wonders of Europe strike again. that Villareal free kick that tamely lands in Van der Saar's hands was really something everyone was waiting to see on the highlights. It'd be silly coming from anyone, but from a ManU fan, with the way ManU is playing in Europe, it's extra rich. Try again. And it's been a chronic problem with not showing Arsenal highlights going back to past seasons. Barca are dominating their group in a similar fashion to Arsenal, but they get extensive coverage every week.

But I can understand your need to lash out, as another shoe drops in ManUland, with Vodaphone dumping ManU two years early.

ZonaGunner
23 Nov 2005, 10:35 AM
FSW Report CANNOT put UEFA Champions League highlights of any game that is scheduled for a delayed premiere broadcast on ESPN Deportes (US) or TSN (Canada) after 10pm Eastern Time.

Thun-Arsenal was scheduled to air on ESPN Deportes at midnight ET.
Thank you for an intelligent response.

The_Sandman
23 Nov 2005, 12:05 PM
From one Gunner to another, chill out man..IT WAS FC THUN. We've got bigger fish to fry in this competition, so missing out on those highlights shouldn't be a big deal.

ZonaGunner
23 Nov 2005, 01:02 PM
From one Gunner to another, chill out man..IT WAS FC THUN. We've got bigger fish to fry in this competition, so missing out on those highlights shouldn't be a big deal.
It's a general annoyance, not just about this particular week, as I noted previously.

GutBomb
23 Nov 2005, 02:17 PM
get directv and setanta sports. seriously. worth the extra $$

wolves66
23 Nov 2005, 03:34 PM
get directv and setanta sports. seriously. worth the extra $$Yep I've watched every Arsenal champions league match live.

jstlouis
23 Nov 2005, 03:36 PM
Want the real reason we didn't air the hilites?

We didn't have them - that plain, that simple.
But all the other reasons are pretty good...but completely inaccurate.

As for the Henry goal...Our producer decided to leave it out this time. We trust his judgement. It's not like Henry won't ever score a stunner again...

J1

Cannon
23 Nov 2005, 03:38 PM
It's a general annoyance, not just about this particular week, as I noted previously.
Don't sweat the silly ManU fan. It must suck to be know that at the end of their next CL match they might not even make it into the UEFA cup. I love hearing them whine about our easy draw when they can't score against Lille. Too funny. :D

ZonaGunner
23 Nov 2005, 04:29 PM
Want the real reason we didn't air the hilites?

We didn't have them - that plain, that simple.
But all the other reasons are pretty good...but completely inaccurate.

As for the Henry goal...Our producer decided to leave it out this time. We trust his judgement. It's not like Henry won't ever score a stunner again...

J1
First, thanks for the response.

So it's not just a straightforward effort to pick the ten best goals, regardless of who scores them. Well, I stand corrected. Honestly to me it was one of Henry's best free kicks I've ever seen.

So on the hilites, is there just bad coverage of Arsenal CL games or something, as their games fail to have hilites shown on FSW Report much more often than, say, ManU? Yours is a very straightforward answer that you don't have the hilities to show. But the logical question is why, in this era of technology and communication, FSW Report can't get ahold of Arsenal CL hilites, but has them for sometimes every other CL match, which I've seen happen a number of times? I don't mean to belabor this, but it just strikes me as rather perplexing.

The conspiracy side of me says it's a Chelsea-ManU plot on behalf of you and Michelle to not give Arsenal their due as the only CL team with a perfect record (assuming Lyon's tie score with Madrid stands today). ;)

TarheelJTK
23 Nov 2005, 04:53 PM
First, thanks for the response.

So it's not just a straightforward effort to pick the ten best goals, regardless of who scores them. Well, I stand corrected. Honestly to me it was one of Henry's best free kicks I've ever seen.

So on the hilites, is there just bad coverage of Arsenal CL games or something, as their games fail to have hilites shown on FSW Report much more often than, say, ManU? Yours is a very straightforward answer that you don't have the hilities to show. But the logical question is why, in this era of technology and communication, FSW Report can't get ahold of Arsenal CL hilites, but has them for sometimes every other CL match, which I've seen happen a number of times? I don't mean to belabor this, but it just strikes me as rather perplexing.

The conspiracy side of me says it's a Chelsea-ManU plot on behalf of you and Michelle to not give Arsenal their due as the only CL team with a perfect record (assuming Lyon's tie score with Madrid stands today). ;)

Not all of my original post was a windup, only about half of it. I really was just stating what I'd noticed when it came to the best goals. I don't think it's unfair to give a player like Bullard his due, he'll probably never do it again. With Henry you really only have to wait until he plays again.

jstlouis
23 Nov 2005, 05:31 PM
First, thanks for the response.

So it's not just a straightforward effort to pick the ten best goals, regardless of who scores them. Well, I stand corrected. Honestly to me it was one of Henry's best free kicks I've ever seen.

So on the hilites, is there just bad coverage of Arsenal CL games or something, as their games fail to have hilites shown on FSW Report much more often than, say, ManU? Yours is a very straightforward answer that you don't have the hilities to show. But the logical question is why, in this era of technology and communication, FSW Report can't get ahold of Arsenal CL hilites, but has them for sometimes every other CL match, which I've seen happen a number of times? I don't mean to belabor this, but it just strikes me as rather perplexing.

The conspiracy side of me says it's a Chelsea-ManU plot on behalf of you and Michelle to not give Arsenal their due as the only CL team with a perfect record (assuming Lyon's tie score with Madrid stands today). ;)

Yes, it's that simple - we could not get a hold of the Arsenal hilites. We do not have the receiver capable of picking up the hilites and we do not have a standing agreement with Setanta that would allow us to use them as they have the rights to show the game.

I hope you forwarded your email to Sky Sports because they didn't have the hilites either.

As for the Goals (speaking of belaboring points), we do the best we can too pick out the ten best goals we have - but let me say this: Each of us on this show wears about 5-different hats every day of the week ~ unlike our counterparts at ESPN, Sportsnet, Fox Sports, CBC. So, what we do is if we see a goal that is a contender in hilites we are cutting, we let the guy who puts it together know about it. But since he also cuts all the viz for the show and does all the filing as well as keeps track of the feeds coming down, he's too busy to see all of the games that we get and all the goals that are scored. He relies on us to let him know and then he picks ten. He actually said to us Tuesday that he had a good 25-goals he could use - but he can only use ten.

There are great goals every week that get missed simply because we do not have the space. I'm not in his head but I would assume (knowing his personality) that he opted for Bullard over Henry because Bullard may never make it into the top ten again....While Henry will likely be back in it sometime in the coming month.

I hope that explanation helps.

We can only do so much with what we have - and seven staff members for an hour long show somewhat limits our capabilities (ESPN has seven people cutting one game!).

J1

ZonaGunner
23 Nov 2005, 06:04 PM
I hope that explanation helps.

Yes, it does. Thanks again. I guess it's just Arsenal fans' bad luck that Setanta like to carry their matches.

I really do enjoy the show. I'm sure you understand that after sitting through ManU and Juve and Barca and other hilites, it's naturally disappointing to see no Arsenal hilites. But hey, in the pantheon of life's disappointments, this isn't a biggie! :)

saabrian
23 Nov 2005, 11:34 PM
My biggest gripe with FSR is simple: the hosts tell you what's going to happen before it occurs on the highlight. It's a small thing but it ruins the suspense.

jstlouis
24 Nov 2005, 04:01 PM
So you're a big fan of Sky Sports then when they put up the score before even getting into the hilites.

I'm of the mind that you lead the viewer to the pictures...Tell them what they're seeing and not vice versa....Anchors take you through it, commentators react to it.

And that half-second of blown suspense is a real killer....:P

We're of the mind that with the internet, true fans know the result anyways - we're not spoiling anything for them.

J1

fireballil
25 Nov 2005, 12:39 AM
So you're a big fan of Sky Sports then when they put up the score before even getting into the hilites.

I'm of the mind that you lead the viewer to the pictures...Tell them what they're seeing and not vice versa....Anchors take you through it, commentators react to it.

And that half-second of blown suspense is a real killer....:P

We're of the mind that with the internet, true fans know the result anyways - we're not spoiling anything for them.

J1
Is that why when there is a tape delayed game coming up, you tell the viewers to stay away from the internet as to not find out before hand? :p

OldFanatic
25 Nov 2005, 12:46 AM
We're of the mind that with the internet, true fans know the result anyways - we're not spoiling anything for them.

I'm clairvoyant. I know everything upfront, but just have to turn the TV on and switch channels to make sure the TV and remote control stay fit. I know who is going to win the 2006 World Cup, but I'm not telling anyone.

jstlouis
25 Nov 2005, 05:07 PM
Is that why when there is a tape delayed game coming up, you tell the viewers to stay away from the internet as to not find out before hand? :p


I said TRUE fans, not ALL fans. :P

J1