(OT?)If this happens with McBride what affect on trades

[Hezbolt]

On planetfootball.com (here's the link:
http://www.planetfootball.com/league.asp?cpid=218 )
David Moyes states that he is interested in bring Mcbride over to Everton. For those that don't remember Moyes originally brought Mcbride over on loan with PNE and has tried to get him in the past since that time.

Now if this were to actually occur how does that affect things going into the draft and with possible trades. The reason is if McBride does leave Cbus will be looking for a replacement. Additionally Cbus would end up with some capspace to bring a "money" player in.

How would this or could this affect anything we want to do? Would they try and work something for a higher pick for say Alecko? If so, what would we want in return?

[cdunnington]

No one else is going to fill McBride's shoes, but CBus is a striker-rich team. Unless they could find a deal to bring in a replacement target forward, I'd say Dante Washington is locked into their roster, and Edson Buddle gets a lot more playing time.

I would expect CBus to use the extra funds to shore up their midfield.

[Th4119]

Originally posted by cdunnington
No one else is going to fill McBride's shoes, but CBus is a striker-rich team. Unless they could find a deal to bring in a replacement target forward, I'd say Dante Washington is locked into their roster, and Edson Buddle gets a lot more playing time.

I would expect CBus to use the extra funds to shore up their midfield.

Their emphasis in the draft would also shift more towards the front line.

[GreatQuality]

If McBride leaves to join Moyes at Everton, I think it will be a short term loan. Either 3 months, up to the start of the next MLS season or a little longer to the end of the current Premiership season. McBride recently signed a contract extension with MLS and if a permanent deal was to happen a hefty transfer fee would also be involved.

Cheers, GQ :)

[gocaps]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=253547&cc=5901

They're talking about this being a loan deal, but Moyes has seen McBride before, he knows what he can do. Everton is in fourth place in the Premiership and Moyes wants to add players to the squad to ensure a top four finish and a Champions League place.

Moyes is a superb manager, and although Everton have a number of strikers (including teenage sensation Wayne Rooney), the only physical, good-in-the-air forward they have is the oft-injured Duncan Ferguson. This may be an excellent move for McBride. If he shows what we all know he can and helps Everton to a CL or UEFA Cup place, this could lead to a permanent move.

[Th4119]

Also, being 4th in the Premiership, they should be able to afford whatever MLS wants for McBride.

[owendylan]

Originally posted by GreatQuality
If McBride leaves to join Moyes at Everton, I think it will be a short term loan. Either 3 months, up to the start of the next MLS season or a little longer to the end of the current Premiership season. McBride recently signed a contract extension with MLS and if a permanent deal was to happen a hefty transfer fee would also be involved.

Cheers, GQ :)

This is what is going to happen. Even though Moyes knows McBride, I doubt a permanent move would happen because of the glut of stirkers Everton has when they are healthy. This is a stop gap move until some other strikers get healthy and Rooney serves his 3 game ban for a recent red card.

[DigitalTron]

Moyes' comments were made when he thought McBride was unsigned, thus a FREE Transfer. Because McBride has re-signed with MLS, and would thus require a transfer fee, it is doubtful that Moyes is willing to pay MLS the transfer fee.

Remember, good established, stars of the French league, La Championaat, can be had for 2M or less transfer fees, which is why we've seen so many transferring to the EPL lately. It is unlikely that MLS would let McBride--who has several more years on his new contract--go without at least a 1M transfer fee.

D'oh! It now looks like MLS may actually loan McBride to Everton ... that seems a bit odd to me, but that's what Bergin is reporting.

-Tron

[superdave]

Originally posted by DigitalTron
that seems a bit odd to me,

??? It makes perfect sense to me. Moyes didn't have much time to sift through his options, so he'd obviously turn to players he already knows. He needs someone who can step right in and contribute, and he needs someone for just 3 months (and right now, what teams can afford to give up a striker of that caliber for 3 months? MLS teams probably make up about 90% of that list.) Further, pretty soon, he's gonna need that striker to be happy if the likely occurs, which is that he gets relegated to the bench.

Digital, if you think it's strange, then what are the obvious options to you?

[DigitalTron]

What I found odd was that McBride re-signed with MLS and then immediately goes public of his admiration of Moyes and then goes on loan to Everton. All McBride had to do is say he was available and Moyes could sign him as a free transfer, he'd have more time in the EPL, and he'd be making more money.

The only thing I can see is that Moyes may not want to sign him to a long term deal, and McBride wants security (he's recently married) but still wants the challenge of the EPL so he arranged to re-sign with MLS but negotiated a deal that would be loan-friendly. Clever if that is all true, but I kinda doubt that is the situation.

I also would look for Moyes to buy not receive a loan of a player.

But I think your analysis is good, and it does make me re-think it a bit, thanks.

-Tron

[JoeW]

3 options.

1. Everton purchases mcBride (b/c he re-signed with MLS and is property of the league). This is not good for DC United--b/c Columbus then gets cap room AND an allocation (when he's sold).

2. Columbus loans him to Everton. This is dumb for Columbus (and thus probably good for us). Think of the Ben Olsen situation. McBride in the Premiership for a couple of months--a good way to pick up some injuries. And it's not like it does anything for Columbus (other than provide cap room while he's on loan). And if the loan gets extended, then he's not available at the begining of the season. Dumb for Columbus. They risk injury and gain only temporary cap room--then have to cut someone when he comes back (at a time when everyone would be capped out). Dumb.

3. Or it's a rumor that is outdated. Everton was interested in McBride some time ago. The article may be recent. The interest was genuine. Moyes may have even said several months ago "I'd like to add McBride" and then when asked yesterday or whenever said "that McBride would be a great addition for us." But given the recent signing (which was labeled as McBride chooses MLS over England), it's outdated. Moyes might even be using it to get a better deal on someone he's talking with in England--get them to lower their price (or he "might" get McBride on a loaner).

[superdave]

JoeW...McBride won't miss much time with the Crew...a 3 month loan brings him back before taxes are due.
Originally posted by DigitalTron
What I found odd was that McBride re-signed with MLS and then immediately goes public of his admiration of Moyes and then goes on loan to Everton.
OK, I get it, you were thinking more from McB's perspective.

Well, I think McBride re-signed before the last of the striker injuries hit Everton.

This is being discussed all over the place at bigsoccer, and I think people aren't really understanding Moyes' motivation. All reports...ALL...say it's because of a sudden striker shortage. Moyes would probably be happy with 6 weeks or something, but with the MLS season not starting till...darn, I forget, but I think it's very late in March...why not keep him longer? Go ahead and ask for 3 months, so if he excels, they can get as much out of him as possible.

[DigitalTron]

http://www.planetfootball.com/article.asp?id=126018&cpid=8&title=Toffees+snap+up+duo"/>

Adam Marshall on PlanetFootball.com is reporting that it's a done deal.

-Tron

[Lanky134]

Front page of Soccernet, too. Complete with picture.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/index?cc=5901

Now that he's a Blue Nose (even on loan) I might have to go back on my word to never insult him again...

[GoDC]

Originally posted by Lanky134
Front page of Soccernet, too. Complete with picture.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/index?cc=5901

Now that he's a Blue Nose (even on loan) I might have to go back on my word to never insult him again...

Yeah, your boys looked good yesterday. ;)

I may have to cheer for the boy in the bra now!!!

[Liverpool_SC]

Originally posted by JoeW
3 options. . .
2. Columbus loans him to Everton. This is dumb for Columbus (and thus probably good for us). Think of the Ben Olsen situation. McBride in the Premiership for a couple of months--a good way to pick up some injuries. And it's not like it does anything for Columbus (other than provide cap room while he's on loan). And if the loan gets extended, then he's not available at the begining of the season. Dumb for Columbus. They risk injury and gain only temporary cap room--then have to cut someone when he comes back (at a time when everyone would be capped out). Dumb.


Not necessarily as bad as you think, since Everton will undoubtedly pay for McBride's services. Typically, when "borrowing" a senior player, the borrowing team picks up a substantial portion of that players wages - sometimes paying above and beyond his normal salary. Columbus will therefore make money off of McBride without angering fans by outright selling McBride. In fact, it is likely to add publicity for the team by providing him with more exposure.

Many times, loan deals also include options that allow the borrowing team to either extend the loan or buy the player. Moyes has done very well for himself with similar loans of Nigerian international defender Joseph Yobo and two Chinese defenders. Other prominant EPL players like Geremi and Junichi Inamoto are playing under similar agreements.

In any event, McBride is unlikely to play every game. Most people don't get wound up when a player plays up to 15 matches in a year (in a World Cup year) for the national team - even though they don't pay the player's club a penny for his services and the threat of injury is even greater due to the greater physical demands placed on players by the pace of top-level international soccer.

In this case, the move makes financial sense for Columbus. If McBride plays sparingly and/or poorly - not much harm is done. McBride is fairly old in soccer terms and is not considered one of America's best players anymore. If McBride plays well - his value may go up a tad (and Columbus may choose to sell him) and more importantly increase the profile of players in MLS. More EPL teams will be willing to spend several million dollar transfer fees on American players if they know that they perform. As a result, the value/stability of MLS will increase, as they would be able sell players to raise money. Whether or not this would be wise to sell their valuable players would be another question.

[Liverpool_SC]

Originally posted by gocaps
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=253547&cc=5901

Moyes is a superb manager, and although Everton have a number of strikers (including teenage sensation Wayne Rooney), the only physical, good-in-the-air forward they have is the oft-injured Duncan Ferguson. This may be an excellent move for McBride. If he shows what we all know he can and helps Everton to a CL or UEFA Cup place, this could lead to a permanent move.

Kevin Campball is a pretty physical player and is good in the air. But some posters are suggesting that his minor injuries are accumulating rapidly and/or are more than day-to-day.

[superdave]

Originally posted by Liverpool_SC
In this case, the move makes financial sense for Columbus....Columbus may choose to sell him)

I don't think you understand MLS' structure.

[ursula]

Originally posted by Liverpool_SC

In this case, the move makes financial sense for Columbus.

As superdave started to say, C-bus gets no benefit from the loan. Money paid by Everton goes directly to the MLS offices, none to the C-bus team.

One could imagine then that C-bus might then get some cap space to the tune of how much Everton is paying, but that's not the case either. That would only happen if McBride gets sold outright.

On the other hand, there is quite a bit of possible downside for C-bus if McBride gets hurt, as has happened several times.

C-bus is said to be looking for a defender or two in trades in MLS. Having MLS resign McBride helps them as they have extra forwards to dangle for a trade, but if McBride were to get hurt or some time later this winter gets bought by Everton than the team may be in trouble with possibly too few forwards if they do go ahead on a trade now. However it does seem that the C-bus braintrust is taking it's time with any trade. Possibly they are waiting to see what defenders shake loose with waivers by Jan 3 before looking for a trade. Maybe, say, if Vermes gets waived, they will look to pick him up.

[Liverpool_SC]

Originally posted by superdave
I don't think you understand MLS' structure.

The deal is good for MLS but bad for Crew - you are right, I wasn't thinking in terms of single-entity.
But wouldn't the profits of McBride's loan still apply to Columbus Crew on their "line item" within the league budget? I guess they wouldn't care because there are no tangible benefits for being a "good corporate citizen" in the MLS.

What happens with the bonus money that USMNT senior players (i.e. front office positions, bonuses, etc) are reputed to receive from the individual teams to supplement their official salaries? If MLS makes a decision such as this, does this impact the Crew's obligation to pay McBride any of this money? Or are these team subsidies also a fiction?

If MLS does decide to sell McBride, would the league go beyond their normal efforts (officially or unofficially) to find a quality forward for Columbus to replace McBride (obviously a name player) or would Columbus have to do the legwork for themselves after getting a senior international allocation?