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AGF Aarhus
13 Nov 2005, 05:17 AM
Warning: Rant.

Three and a half years ago on the final group match day I found myself searching high and low for a place in Berlin to watch US-Poland. I telephoned all around the city, but every bar was either showing the Portugal-S. Korea game (which was being shown on free TV) or the 'Konference' (which is the most heinous crime ever committed against soccer). I finally called the Oscar Wilde and was told they would show the US, in its entirety.

On the day of the match I arrived two hours early (before the bar was even open). When the owner arrived and let me in I asked again, and he confirmed that they would show the US game. I staked out my spot right in front of the big screen, ordered some breakfast and started drinking (being the good customer that I am). Moments before the game was to start the bar was filled with roughly equal numbers of people who wanted to watch either game (there is a big screen in the back room and a smaller one up front).

The owner decided to put it to a vote. I protested loudly, pointing out that this is a bar, not a democracy and that I had both telephoned and been the first through the door, and changing their mind now would be to lie to one of their better customers. I also pointed out that those wishing to watch the other match could go to literally any other bar in the city, while those of us who wanted to watch the US only had one place to go.

The owner decided on a poor compromise. He would show the first half of the US game on the big screen and then switch at half time, meaning that my perfect spot was good for one half and I had to watch the second half straining around a post on a small screen 20 meters away. Words were exchanged, feelings were hurt.

I was angry, and this sparked a 3 year boycott on my part for which all of my friends ridicule me as being unreasonable.

I eventually broke my boycott on Easter Sunday when the Oscar Wilde was the only place to watch Mexico-US. I reluctantly returned and for my efforts was treated to watching the game without sound on the small screen. Unsatisfying, but the long period of reconciliation between me and Wilde had begun.

Recently I’ve been spending more time there. While the other option for watching English soccer (The Old Emerald Isle) is an infinitely better pub with a great staff, I have to grudgingly admit that the layout of the bar makes the Wilde better.

And so I found myself this week once again searching high and low for a place to watch Scotland-USA. The Wilde listed the game on its website, but having been burned before I looked all over the city, but to no avail.

I got to the bar 30 minutes before kickoff yesterday so that I could make my case, with plenty of time for discussion, well before the game started. What I walked into, though, was not a mostly empty bar getting ready for a busy night of soccer, but a bar packed with rugby fans.

England-Australia was on the big screen in the back room, Ireland-New Zealand on the small screen up front. With England-Argentina kicking off at 5:45, I was already prepared for the reality of that being on the big screen and that the US game would be relegated to the front room. Fine. So I asked the barkeeper if they would be showing the soccer game. He said yes, most certainly, just as soon as the rugby was finished.

The rugby game would end at 5:10, meaning that I would miss the first 10 minutes. Annoying, but I accepted this.

So the rugby game ends, but no soccer. I ask at the bar and am informed that they have decided not to show the Scotland-US game in the front room after all because they want to show England in both rooms, and that no, they will not show at least the first half before England starts because, well, they just can’t be bothered, really. This is premised on the fact that those currently in the front room are clearly there to watch England.

Maybe that is true, but it is also irrelevant. Those England fans can go to the back room. And actually, I’m not sure that was true. At that time there was a number of Scots in the front room as well as a bunch Irishmen and Kiwis who were on their way out (from what I could tell I was the only Yank). Anger rises, words are exchanged, feelings are hurt.

I understand why they chose not the show the game. I’m trying to be reasonable. But if that is the case, they should not advertise that they will show Scotland-US, and they should not tell me 30 minutes before kickoff that they will do the same.

And so a new boycott is begun. Guess I’ll be back in 2008.

Dead Fingers
13 Nov 2005, 08:24 AM
Ok, don't mind the rant, but we are going to change the name of the thread. I know it is in jest, but pretty strong words there

Dead Fingers
13 Nov 2005, 08:28 AM
and to not have to move this thread to the USA forum, let's ask a question. Those are the only bars in Berlin to watch some Anglo football??

AGF Aarhus
13 Nov 2005, 10:57 AM
and to not have to move this thread to the USA forum, let's ask a question. Those are the only bars in Berlin to watch some Anglo football??

Yes, those are the only bars in Berlin to watch Anglo football, or at least the only I've found in four years of living here. If someone knows of another, I'd be thrilled to know.

As for changing the thread title. Suit yourself, but the words 'tounge' and 'cheek' spring to mind, as I doubt anyone really belives that I am advocating the firebombing of a pub.

96Squig
13 Nov 2005, 03:12 PM
There's an official Hanoveran bar in Berlin, called the Niedersachsenstadion. Maybe you could convince those guys to show US internationals sometimes, I mean at least Steve plays with them. As long as Germany or Hannover 96 don't play that should be possible.

AGF Aarhus
14 Nov 2005, 08:39 AM
There's an official Hanoveran bar in Berlin, called the Niedersachsenstadion. Maybe you could convince those guys to show US internationals sometimes, I mean at least Steve plays with them. As long as Germany or Hannover 96 don't play that should be possible.

Thanks for the tip, but unless they have a 1.5 meter dish pointed at the British, not German satellite and a (technically illegal) subscription to Sky, they would not have the capapbility even they had the will to show the full slate of UK games, including the Scotland-US match this past weekend.

ohk4
14 Nov 2005, 08:47 AM
Thanks for the tip, but unless they have a 1.5 meter dish pointed at the British, not German satellite and a (technically illegal) subscription to Sky, they would not have the capapbility even they had the will to show the full slate of UK games, including the Scotland-US match this past weekend.

my Irish pub in little ol' Bamberg apparently has this because I was able to watch Scotland-USA game.

bltleo
14 Nov 2005, 09:09 AM
Yes it is pity that many german pubs don´t show US games.
I know how hard it is to watch USMNT games in Germany. Games are not televised and pubs don´t often offer games of USMNT. I´m fan of German team but my second favorite team is USA. So I wish we could watch more games of USMNT on T.V or some pubs showed games. The problem is that
many Americans are not interested in soccer and pubs thinks it will be not
"profitable" for them to show USMNT games. But I think mostly Americans who live in Germany follow soccer. So you have raised very interesting point. I have my favorite irish pub in Leverkusen. I know the man who owns this pub. The problem is there are not so many American here who would watch games with me. We have mostly Englishmen or Scottisch People here.

Well I had good luck with game USA-Scotland. I was in Scotland.
This was a bit expansive as to watch this in pub. But it was worth to watch USMNT life.

But I had bad luck. I saw USMNT without Landon Donovan and without Reyna. Landon did not come:). Such a friend!:)

Bltleo
GERMANY

AGF Aarhus
14 Nov 2005, 09:26 AM
Well, I'm jealous of you both having gotten to see the game. I guess next time I'll have to catch the train down to Bamberg. What's the Brit-Ami ratio like down there?

There are supposedly some 20,000 of us in Berlin, but it seems that I'm the only sports fan among them (there was not even any place to watch the Superbowl!).

I'm just surpised that the Scots who were there on Saturday didn't protest more loudly. They seemed perfectly happy to cheer for Argentina instead.

bltleo
14 Nov 2005, 09:30 AM
Well, I'm jealous of you both having gotten to see the game. I guess next time I'll have to catch the train down to Bamberg. What's the Brit-Ami ratio like down there?

There are supposedly some 20,000 of us in Berlin, but it seems that I'm the only sports fan among them (there was not even any place to watch the Superbowl!).

I'm just surpised that the Scots who were there on Saturday didn't protest more loudly. They seemed perfectly happy to cheer for Argentina instead.

Oh, I don´t understand why Scots reacted this way. If i were Scottish girl in Berlin, I would have tried to watch Scotland game and not to cheer for Argentina. Maybe Argentina game was more important, however I think
it is always better to support own team. It was really worth to watch the game life. I don´t want to analyze game here. But I think Scotch people would have been enjoyed the game.

I´m sorry for you that you could not watch the game.
Next time we can watch it together in some pub:). Just we need to persuade the pub to show the game. Unfortunately there are not so many Americans in Cologne/Düsseldorf area. At least I don´t know so many here. Where I lived in Frankfurt there were more Americans.

Bltleo

ohk4
14 Nov 2005, 09:51 AM
Well, I'm jealous of you both having gotten to see the game. I guess next time I'll have to catch the train down to Bamberg. What's the Brit-Ami ratio like down there?

There are supposedly some 20,000 of us in Berlin, but it seems that I'm the only sports fan among them (there was not even any place to watch the Superbowl!).

I'm just surpised that the Scots who were there on Saturday didn't protest more loudly. They seemed perfectly happy to cheer for Argentina instead.

Well, there are 5000 or so US soldiers here...but on Saturday

I was there (Ami)
my Irish buddy
a Scot
three Germans who showed up in the second half to get ready for France-Germany on the big screen
and the staff.

So there wasn't too much competition. However, usually there are 4 or 5 English lads who generally get their way due to the amount of cash they drop there (I only come in for the odd soccer game). So I was expecting the US game to be moved to the small TV from the big screen in the second half but the English contingent never showed. :D

Vfbstuttgartfan
14 Nov 2005, 11:39 AM
There's an official Hanoveran bar in Berlin, called the Niedersachsenstadion. Maybe you could convince those guys to show US internationals sometimes, I mean at least Steve plays with them. As long as Germany or Hannover 96 don't play that should be possible.

There was an article in 11Freunde this month about all the bars in Berlin that are dedicated to various teams, it was interesting. And i'm offtopic :p

fischernet
15 Nov 2005, 11:12 AM
try this:
http://www.sportkneipe.de/www/fanecke.php?sub=10