Battrick Thread Part V

[quentinc]

Easy win.

You guys do realize we have a forum for match discussion threads, right?

[Craig P]

I almost brought that up myself. :)

[kopiteinkc]

Easy win.

You guys do realize we have a forum for match discussion threads, right?

Old habits die hard :)

[Bluto11]

Easy win.

You guys do realize we have a forum for match discussion threads, right?
i couldn't be buggered to start a new thread with the correct matchweek and date, so i figured i would just post in this one.

[quentinc]

I was going to start it the night before, but never got around to it. Oh well.

[romagol10]

Carib Beer XI v Los Burritos (112506)

I lost this very close game at the very end in front of the largest crowd ever at one of my games (21K). Even with the unlucky loss I'm 12 points clear of 5th place with games against the bottom 2 teams still to be played.

[Bluto11]

so i have a guy getting 3 nets and his personal fitness didn't go down after training. not sure if its a bug or not, but i thought nets would make it go down.

[kopiteinkc]

so i have a guy getting 3 nets and his personal fitness didn't go down after training. not sure if its a bug or not, but i thought nets would make it go down.

I think that aspect of the game goes into effect next season.

[Bluto11]

I think that aspect of the game goes into effect next season.
i know it doesn't matter now, but i've had personal fitness levels change after matches, they would go down. I thought that the game was showing waht the personal fitness was, even though it didn't matter, so the managers could get used to seeing it and how it reacts to matches played and nets sessions.

[kopiteinkc]

i know it doesn't matter now, but i've had personal fitness levels change after matches, they would go down. I thought that the game was showing waht the personal fitness was, even though it didn't matter, so the managers could get used to seeing it and how it reacts to matches played and nets sessions.

You could be right, I wasn't aware of that.

Maybe ask in sledging?

[Bluto11]

You could be right, I wasn't aware of that.

Maybe ask in sledging?
i'll look around and see if i see anything.

i had my 17 year old feeble bowler pop to strong consistency. he's at feeble stamina as well, currently getting two bowling and one fitness. I'm thinking of giving him three bowling and two stamina to get him popping quicker. He's also a feeble batsmen with medicore concentration. I'm thinking he will pop in bowling soon because he's been getting one net for about 6 weeks and two nets for 2 or 3 weeks. At some point next season he might be getting a 6 or 7 sessions just so he keeps popping even when he gets older.

[johno]

why are u training a feeble bowler? you'd be better off using those nets for higher skilled players or not using them at all and taking that money saved and buying a good player... you can buy a competent bowler for nothing these days...

7. Dennis Kerley £50,000 (Aylesbury)
Plays for: Sussex By the Sea Stamina: abysmal W/Keeping: woeful
Age: 17 years old Batting: abysmal Concentration: abysmal
BT Rating: 2,284 Bowling: respectable Consistency: woeful
Deadline: 06/12/2005 12:07 Fielding: feeble



5. Daniel Holland £48,000 (East Heath CCC)
Plays for: Matsudo Stamina: feeble W/Keeping: feeble
Age: 19 years old Batting: abysmal Concentration: worthless
BT Rating: 3,109 Bowling: respectable Consistency: feeble
Deadline: 06/12/2005 10:28 Fielding: abysmal


these guys aren't great, but w/ 1 net of fielding 1 net of bowling and 1 net of stamina they'll be further along than your current trainee w/ just 3 nets. Your guy isn't going to be effective for a long time... these guys would probably be decent bowlers after 1 full season of nets.

[Bluto11]

i'm training him because he is feeble in both batting and bowling, with ok secondaries (good secondaries in batting), plus he's 17. he's well rounded, his BTR is just over 10k. I was going to sell him, but I'd figure I'd keep him and train him and see what happens. If he pops a few times I can always sell him for a lot of money. He's going to pop to medicore soon enough, then i'll give him 3 nets, which means he'll pop in 5 weeks, so once more before the season the next season, then with nets all next season he'll go up a little more.

i checked the news section and it looks like nets do lower the fitness level:

Now the players personal fitness level will not replace the teams fitness level that you currently see, but compliment it. The team fitness will have a smaller impact on your teams performance than it did previously, with the players fitness having a larger impact on his own performance. When a player plays a game, his fitness level will go down. When he has to do nets, his fitness level will go down, and the harder you train, the further it will fall. Fortunately though, each day of rest that a player gets will see his fitness level rise, as you would expect.This may leave you with some tough decisions to make as to whether you will play your star player in one more match when he is already drained, or one of the other guys who is invigorated and ready for action.

[Bluto11]

here are his ratings:

10. Sherwin Hilton - 17 yo, BT Rating=10,002
LH Batsman, LH Spin Bowler, superb form, invigorated
(superb batting form, superb bowling form)
A defensive player with mediocre leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: feeble Wicket Keeping: feeble
Batting: feeble Concentration: mediocre
Bowling: feeble Consistency: strong
Fielding: feeble


if you take the whole package (bowling, consis, stamina) he's on par with those two guys you listed. He might not train as fast, but oh well, i'm going to keep him and keep training him. I think he'll turn out ok, i'm not looking for a superstar, just a good spin bowler to help the attack.

[Bluto11]

using a crude formula to guage skill levels i figure my feeble bowler is on par with those two guys plus he's 17 years old and is going to pop to medicore and will be going up in stamina rather quick.

i used 1*bowling + .5*stamina + .5*consistency

I assigned a number from 1-10 to each skill level from useless to the highest level.

the numbers i got where:

My guy: 12.5
transfer guy #1: 11.5
transfer guy #2: 12.5

so they are pretty much the same right now, plus the guy i have is a better batsmen. so i'll keep him and train him.

[johno]

the error you've made is that this guy is virtually useless to you right now... if he can play in your series matches you're in a crap series. punto finale. The Transfer Market guys can contribute right away. In addition, by the time your guy gets anywhere close to these guys in terms of usefulness you'll be at the stage where you were ready to sell these guys and upgrade anyway.

I'm also willing to be that before that guy gets to competent either me or you will pull a player MUCH better than him.


EDIT:

looking at the results you've had and the ratings you're pulling I'd say even if you're going to train this guy, pick up a batsman and a bowler... respectable or even competent w/ good secondaries...

[Bluto11]

the error you've made is that this guy is virtually useless to you right now... if he can play in your series matches you're in a crap series. punto finale. The Transfer Market guys can contribute right away. In addition, by the time your guy gets anywhere close to these guys in terms of usefulness you'll be at the stage where you were ready to sell these guys and upgrade anyway.

I'm also willing to be that before that guy gets to competent either me or you will pull a player MUCH better than him.


EDIT:

looking at the results you've had and the ratings you're pulling I'd say even if you're going to train this guy, pick up a batsman and a bowler... respectable or even competent w/ good secondaries...
i don't think the transfer market guys can contribute right away. their stamina is crap. did you see the numbers formula i used? it probably has no meaning, but they all pretty much have the same final number. my team is crap right now anyways, so i don't see what the big deal is. plus i'm just training him, and not even playing him. I could probably sell him for a good amount right now. I don't have a lot of money to splash around in the transfer market at the moment.

[johno]

i don't think the transfer market guys can contribute right away. their stamina is crap. did you see the numbers formula i used? it probably has no meaning, but they all pretty much have the same final number. my team is crap right now anyways, so i don't see what the big deal is. plus i'm just training him, and not even playing him. I could probably sell him for a good amount right now. I don't have a lot of money to splash around in the transfer market at the moment.

Well, I'm telling you they will.. how do I know? I've done it before.

this guy isn't getting any training... and I'd probably sell him if I could get my hands on another bowler of similar quality who is older. He's played 3 matches and had an economy rate of 4.3... he's replaced an allrounder who was resp/woeful in bowling

Ian Rigler - 18 yo, BT Rating=3,956
RH Batsman, RM Bowler, mediocre form, moderate
(competent batting form, mediocre bowling form)
A cautious player with respectable leadership skills and worthless experience.
Stamina: feeble Wicket Keeping: feeble
Batting: abysmal Concentration: mediocre
Bowling: respectable Consistency: woeful
Fielding: woeful

this guy here's been a starter on my team since I got it. His career average is 54 but his average from 14innings thus far this year is 68. he's got 682 runs. He'd be the 2nd best batsman on your team.

Mario North - 20 yo, BT Rating=3,402
LH Batsman, LF Bowler, superb form, lively
(superb batting form, strong bowling form)
An attacking player with proficient leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: abysmal Wicket Keeping: woeful
Batting: respectable Concentration: woeful
Bowling: abysmal Consistency: woeful
Fielding: abysmal


the moral of the story is that stamina and secondaries are nice things, but not essential if you're a low end team. I consider myself a low end team and as such the only players who've got decent secondaries are one who have real potential to be superstars or came w/ secondaries. I won't train a guy simply cuz he's got nice secondaries... that's pointless.

[Bluto11]

fair points. If those guys were playing on my team right now they would be doing a lot worse because the teams I'm facing are really freaking good. I found an ok bowler on the transfer market, respectable bowling, competant stamina, and woeful consis, i put in a bid for 85k, we'll see if i get him. I've got another trainee who is competent bowling with mediocre consis and woeful stamina. I think I should give him more nets and try to seel the feeble bowler, who knows the high BT rating might entice people to buy him


edit:

20. Lucas Spearitt (121219)
RH Batsman, RM Bowler, mediocre form, fresh
(proficient batting form, woeful bowling form)
A steady player with feeble leadership skills and worthless experience.

Plays For: Wicketkeepers
Nationality: West Indies
Age: 19 Years Old
Battrick Rating: 7,436
Wages: £1,453 p/w

Stamina: feeble Wicket Keeping: abysmal
Batting: strong Concentration: mediocre
Bowling: abysmal Consistency: feeble
Fielding: woeful


that guy, while he has high ratings has been crap for me this season and even last season. avg of 32 this season and 34 for his career

[johno]

ok... understandable... didn't see your competition... either way... trainings the best way to get better... and I still think that guys w/ higher primaries w/ no secondaries do better than guys w/ high secondaries and lowish primaries, even if theres a stamina gap as well - and that performance is what I'm suggesting will lead to higher value and therefore, more fruitful training.