View Full Version : Ian Joy or Phil Salyer
jelliot
30 Dec 2002, 10:58 PM
Can these two young americans coming back to the USA help our team.
Ian Joy has played a couple years in England, and is still very young.
Phil Salyer a UMD soccer player, and tried his trade out in Germany.
I feel that either one of these guys would be a good pick with the 11th or 15th pick.
What is your take on these two young defenders?
monster
30 Dec 2002, 11:20 PM
One thing I liked about the Joy story was how he said there wasn't much money in MLS now, but he felt he had to do it in order to play in the U-23s.
1. He's not going to ask for a lot of cash, it seems.
2. He has something to prove.
How that translates on the field, I don't know. But I don't think and American with overseas pro experience and a low salary would be a bad thing in the second round.
I read in another thread that the Salyer thing is not a done deal. Forget where though.
DigitalTron
31 Dec 2002, 12:24 AM
Well essentially, both of these players are fullbacks, so they are both best suited for wing attacking in a 442. I'll defer to others as to whether they could actually play wing midfield, but my inkling is that both would be a bit out of position there.
As an attacking fullback they could contribute in a 442, but selecting either of them would signal that Ray was intending to play a 442. IMHO, Ray's best suited to coach the 352, and as long as we're totally remaking our roster, why add players who don't fit that system?
Therefore, I doubt either will be at DC United in 2003. Both are decent prospects, but neither is in the class with Donovan and Twellman as instant-impact players. At best, Joy and Salyer would progress and eventually evolve into a Wade Barret type of player, but it would probably take several years.
While I generally fall into the camp of "take the best player available" I think that the definition of "best player" needs to be shaped in part by the coach and his system.
-Tron
greatscott
31 Dec 2002, 10:34 AM
Ian Joy is to sign with MLS after a stint with English 3rd division Kidderminster. He apparently had very few showings with the team and cancelled his contract with the club through mutual consent.
Position-Defender
Anyone have any info on teams looking at him?
http://www.planetfootball.com/player.asp?pagetype=&plid=1262&clid=285&cpid=12&Title=Ian+Joy+Info+Page
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greatscott
31 Dec 2002, 10:41 AM
The things i see wrong with him are if you look at the stats for 02, he has 2 yellows for 2 appearances....
This lack of playing time and level of play may prove to be a hindering factor to his employment in MLS...
dcuinvermont
31 Dec 2002, 10:51 AM
Shouldn't this be in the general MLS forums?
Originally posted by greatscott
Ian Joy is to sign with MLS after a stint with English 3rd division Kidderminster.
Is he English? If so I can't imagine a club using a international slot on him unless he'd go as a developmental international.
But more importantly, if he can't make it on a D3 English team I doubt he'll be able to play first team in MLS.
Maybe he could be on a bench somewhere to get experience.
subbuteo
31 Dec 2002, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by dcuinvermont
...But more importantly, if he can't make it on a D3 English team I doubt he'll be able to play first team in MLS.
...
Exactly. Did he play college at all? Did he even have any college offers? How long was he in England? Where's he from? Does he get free soap?
greatscott
31 Dec 2002, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by subbuteo
Does he get free soap?
If he doesnt get free soap, shouldnt he at least get free shampoo?
But really...
Joy is from what i hear a decent player, but would more likely be a candidate for A-League like the Richmond Kickers... then later try out for MLS...
halfnorsk
31 Dec 2002, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by dcuinvermont
Is he English? If so I can't imagine a club using a international slot on him unless he'd go as a developmental international.
There's a thread on Ian Joy in the Yanks Abroad section.
He's American - here's some background on him:
http://www.planetfootball.com/article.asp?id=125681&plid=&clid=&cpid=218&title=Joy+to+follow+American+dream
jeffenbauer
31 Dec 2002, 12:08 PM
Many BS poseters list Salyer very high, even top 5 in the draft, so I don't think he would still be around by the end of the first round. Don't know much about Joy though.
Martin Fischer
31 Dec 2002, 12:14 PM
Salyer a German 3rd Division reject or Joy an English fourth level washout. Really? I think DCU can do better.
BuffloSoldier
31 Dec 2002, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Martin Fischer
Salyer a German 3rd Division reject or Joy an English fourth level washout. Really? I think DCU can do better.
Well, you could say the same about #20 for the Revs...
subbuteo
31 Dec 2002, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by BuffloSoldier
Well, you could say the same about #20 for the Revs...
But at least he had a college career to speak about...some indication that he could be an impact player in the states. Was Salyer really that good when he was at Maryand?
Still, an excellent point nonetheless.
tmas
31 Dec 2002, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by BuffloSoldier
Well, you could say the same about #20 for the Revs...
twellman played in 1860 Munich on the reserve team, and last time i checked they were in the highest division in the bundesliga
BuffloSoldier
31 Dec 2002, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by tmas
twellman played in 1860 Munich on the reserve team, and last time i checked they were in the highest division in the bundesliga
The reserve/amateur team plays in the lower divisions of Germany.
At Taylor's time, they were in the third division, like Salyer was with Bremen's amateur side.
MikeLastort2
31 Dec 2002, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by BuffloSoldier
The reserve/amateur team plays in the lower divisions of Germany.
At Taylor's time, they were in the third division, like Salyer was with Bremen's amateur side.
And like Donovan's time with Leverkusen.
BuffloSoldier
31 Dec 2002, 01:26 PM
Do I think it's worth a draft pick on either of these two? Yeah. A first rounder? Perhaps.
jelliot
31 Dec 2002, 02:52 PM
One thing that you can assure that Ian Joy and Phil Salyer did learn from there stints overseas, was hard work. A third division club overseas from what I hear, may not be the talent level of the MLS but those guys sure learn hard to work hard day in and day out. Practicing is taken much more serious. Remember both of these guys are under 23 years old.
owendylan
31 Dec 2002, 03:07 PM
I would take a shot with Sayler with a late 1st round early second round pick if he's available. I doubt he'll be available. With the Pope trade we're still a little thin in the back even if we play with 3 there isn't much cover for injuries and suspensions. We have Petke, Reyes, Nelsen and Prideaux as our primary backs. Mckinley and Namoff are the only other backs we can call on if something happens. This dooes not bode well. Mckinley showed last season that playing in a 4 back he barely was able to go a full match and can't keep up with most of the opposition. Namoff played alright in a pinch but it's not his best position .
I went to all the Terps' games when Salyer was a freshman and really liked him. He goes forward really well and scored 4 goals as a left-sided wingback. He had great pace and took players on well with the ball. I also remember him playing centrally against Eduardo Lima of George Mason when he was getting lots of accolades. He shut down Lima and played tenacious defense. I would certainly take him if available, and I would not so quickly label him a "3rd division reject," as many have pointed out that it's difficult for young Americans to crack first team lineups (look at Twellman, Donovan, Casey).