Riots in Paris suburbs

[corina]

Corina- people who come a country by choice and then are upset by their lot in life have very little to grumble about. Getting mad at a government and blaming an interior minister for not having a job is insane.

Hannity is an idiot. I
Do you know what the real problems are in France to begin with? I dont , at least I make the effort to read what others who are French write and look at it from both sides. This is not a case of punks gone wild out to cause mayhem for a few days like hooligans at a football game.This is something which is so deep rooted that your comments seem like you have not even grazed the surface.Read some of the posts in this thread from people who have French locations and then come back and discuss.

[the shelts]

J'ai habité en France pendant 4 années comme guide

Do I know every answer? No.

[YankBastard]

Is the French government going to deport any of the arrested rioters who are not of French citizenship?

[the shelts]

I'll give the French this.............if you so much as look at the tri-colour the wrong way they'll kick your butt or give a good effort to do so.

They'll deport them. Then the lizards will go to the UK and soak up some free dole benefits until the home office catchs up to them.

[corina]

I'll give the French this.............if you so much as look at the tri-colour the wrong way they'll kick your butt or give a good effort to do so.

They'll deport them. Then the lizards will go to the UK and soak up some free dole benefits until the home office catchs up to them.
You do realise though that most of these rioters are French citizens? Something like our brothas in deep south during the 60's. Just a reminder.

[YankBastard]

You do realise though that most of these rioters are French citizens? Something like our brothas in deep south during the 60's. Just a reminder.

I understand that the rioters were at least 2nd generation Frenchies, but comparing these guys to blacks in the 60s is a little steep of a comparison.

[corina]

I understand that the rioters were at least 2nd generation Frenchies, but comparing these guys to blacks in the 60s is a little steep of a comparison.
dude, anyone who is not familiar with America's history will think the same about the ******** which went down in the South- it was a bunch of you know what rioting and causing mayhem for little reason. Thats why I ask guys like us to get both sides of the story,rather than jump to conclusions.

[weaponx]

Le Groupe NTM, les nouveaux Nostradamus? :D

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/7580/135154104small1vv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Refrain : Mais qu'est-ce, mais qu'est-ce qu'on attend pour foutre le feu ?

Les années passent, pourtant tout est toujours à sa place
Plus de bitume donc encore moins d'espace
Vital et nécessaire à l'équilibre de l'homme
Non personne n'est séquestré, mais s'est tout comme
C'est comme de nous dire que la France avance alors qu'elle pense
Par la répression stopper net la délinquance
S'il vous plaît, un peu de bon sens
Les coups ne régleront pas l'état d'urgence
A coup sûr...
Ce qui m'amène à me demander
Combien de temps tout ceci va encore durer
Ca fait déjà des années que tout aurait dû péter
Dommage que l'unité n'ait été de notre côté
Mais vous savez que ça va finir mal, tout ça
La guerre des mondes vous l'avez voulue, la voilà
Mais qu'est-ce, mais qu'est-ce qu'on attend pour foutre le feu ?
Mais qu'est-ce qu'on attend pour ne plus suivre les règles du jeu ?

REFRAIN

Je n'ai fait que vivre bâillonné, en effet
Comme le veut la société, c'est un fait
Mais il est temps que cela cesse, fasse place à l'allégresse
Pour que notre jeunesse d'une main vengeresse
Brûle l'état policier en premier et
Envoie la république brûler au même bûcher,
Ouais !
Notre tour est venu, à nous de jeter les dés
Décider donc mentalement de s'équiper
Quoi t'es mirro, tu vois pas, tu fais semblant, tu ne m'entends pas
Je crois plutôt que tu ne t'accordes pas vraiment le choix
Beaucoup sont déjà dans ce casVoilà pourquoi cela finira dans le désarroi
Désarroi déjà roi, le monde rural en est l'exemple
Désarroi déjà roi, vous subirez la même pente, l'agonie lente
C'est pourquoi j'en attente aux putains de politiques incompétentes
Ce qui a diminué la France
Donc l'heure n'est plus à l'indulgence
Mais aux faits, par le feu, ce qui à mes yeux semble être le mieux
Pour qu'on nous prenne un peu plus, un peu plus au sérieux

REFRAIN

Dorénavant la rue ne pardonne plus
Nous n'avons rien à perdre, car nous n'avons jamais rien eu ...
A votre place je ne dormirais pas tranquille
La bourgeoisie peut trembler, les cailleras sont dans la ville
Pas pour faire la fête, qu'est-ce qu'on attend pour foutre le feu
Allons à l'Elysée, brûler les vieux
Et les vieilles, faut bien qu'un jour ils paient
Le psychopathe qui sommeil en moi se réveille
Où sont nos repères ?
Qui sont nos modèles ?
De toute une jeunesse, vous avez brûlé les ailes
Brisé les rêves, tari la sève de l'espérance.
Oh ! quand j'y pense
Il est temps qu'on y pense, il est temps que la France
Daigne prendre conscience de toutes ces offenses
Fasse de ces hontes des leçons à bon compte
Mais quand bien même, la coupe est pleine
L'histoire l'enseigne, nos chances sont vaines
Alors arrêtons tout, plutôt que cela traîne
Ou ne draine même, encore plus de haine
Unissons-nous pour incinérer ce système

[Metropolitan]

Le Groupe NTM, les nouveaux Nostradamus? :D

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/7580/135154104small1vv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Refrain : Mais qu'est-ce, mais qu'est-ce qu'on attend pour foutre le feu ?

Les années passent, pourtant tout est toujours à sa place
Plus de bitume donc encore moins d'espace
Vital et nécessaire à l'équilibre de l'homme
Non personne n'est séquestré, mais s'est tout comme
C'est comme de nous dire que la France avance alors qu'elle pense
Par la répression stopper net la délinquance
S'il vous plaît, un peu de bon sens
Les coups ne régleront pas l'état d'urgence
A coup sûr...
Ce qui m'amène à me demander
Combien de temps tout ceci va encore durer
Ca fait déjà des années que tout aurait dû péter
Dommage que l'unité n'ait été de notre côté
Mais vous savez que ça va finir mal, tout ça
La guerre des mondes vous l'avez voulue, la voilà
Mais qu'est-ce, mais qu'est-ce qu'on attend pour foutre le feu ?
Mais qu'est-ce qu'on attend pour ne plus suivre les règles du jeu ?

REFRAIN

Je n'ai fait que vivre bâillonné, en effet
Comme le veut la société, c'est un fait
Mais il est temps que cela cesse, fasse place à l'allégresse
Pour que notre jeunesse d'une main vengeresse
Brûle l'état policier en premier et
Envoie la république brûler au même bûcher,
Ouais !
Notre tour est venu, à nous de jeter les dés
Décider donc mentalement de s'équiper
Quoi t'es mirro, tu vois pas, tu fais semblant, tu ne m'entends pas
Je crois plutôt que tu ne t'accordes pas vraiment le choix
Beaucoup sont déjà dans ce casVoilà pourquoi cela finira dans le désarroi
Désarroi déjà roi, le monde rural en est l'exemple
Désarroi déjà roi, vous subirez la même pente, l'agonie lente
C'est pourquoi j'en attente aux putains de politiques incompétentes
Ce qui a diminué la France
Donc l'heure n'est plus à l'indulgence
Mais aux faits, par le feu, ce qui à mes yeux semble être le mieux
Pour qu'on nous prenne un peu plus, un peu plus au sérieux

REFRAIN

Dorénavant la rue ne pardonne plus
Nous n'avons rien à perdre, car nous n'avons jamais rien eu ...
A votre place je ne dormirais pas tranquille
La bourgeoisie peut trembler, les cailleras sont dans la ville
Pas pour faire la fête, qu'est-ce qu'on attend pour foutre le feu
Allons à l'Elysée, brûler les vieux
Et les vieilles, faut bien qu'un jour ils paient
Le psychopathe qui sommeil en moi se réveille
Où sont nos repères ?
Qui sont nos modèles ?
De toute une jeunesse, vous avez brûlé les ailes
Brisé les rêves, tari la sève de l'espérance.
Oh ! quand j'y pense
Il est temps qu'on y pense, il est temps que la France
Daigne prendre conscience de toutes ces offenses
Fasse de ces hontes des leçons à bon compte
Mais quand bien même, la coupe est pleine
L'histoire l'enseigne, nos chances sont vaines
Alors arrêtons tout, plutôt que cela traîne
Ou ne draine même, encore plus de haine
Unissons-nous pour incinérer ce systèmeFunny you mention it because I've already translated it in English for another forum. :)

Anyway, here's the English translation.


What are we waiting for ?
performed by NTM form the album "Paris sous les bombes" (1995).
ENGLISH TRANSLATION

But what, but what are we waiting for to burn the whole thing ?

Years are passing, but everything is still as it’s always been
More concrete and as such less vital space
Necessary for the sanity of Humans
No one is sequestrated, but it doesn't really makes a difference
It’s like saying France is going forward when she thinks
By repression stopping criminality
Please, a bit of common sense
Knockings have never solved cases of emergency
That’s obvious…
Which leads me to wonder
How many time, all this will still go on
It’s been years everything should have burst
It’s so sad unity wasn’t on our side
But you know it will end badly, everything
You wanted the war of the worlds, and here it comes
But what, but what are we waiting for to burn the whole thing ?
But what are we waiting for to not follow anymore the rules of the game ?

CHORUS

All my life I’ve been stiffled, indeed
Like society wants it to be, that’s a fact
But it’s time for this to end, that light years finally come
Our youth must avenge itself and
Burn the Police State at first and
Send the Republic burn in the same fire,
Yeah !
Our turn is coming, it’s our turn to throw the dice
Hence decided to mentally get prepared
What ? Are you blind ? You don’t see, you just prentend, you don’t hear me
I think that you actually don’t grant yourself the choice
Many are already in this, that’s why all this will finish in disaray
Disaray already prevails, the countryside have proven it
Disaray already prevails, you’ll follow the same vicious circle, slow agony
That’s why I attack those ********in’ incompetent politics
Which have disminished France
So hour isn’t anymore about forgiving
But about facts, through fire, which is according to me the best way
People should take us a bit more, a bit more seriously !

CHORUS

Now streets don’t forgive anymore
We have nothing too lose, since we have never possessed
If I were you, I wouldn’t sleep peacefully
Bourgeois can shiver, "cailleras" [scums] are in the city
And this for serious matters, what are we waiting for to burn the whole thing ?
Let’s go the the Elysée to burn the old jerks
And the old hoars, one day they must pay
The psycho who’s in me is waking up
Where is our moral frame ?
Who are our models ?
From a whole youth you’ve burn the wings
Broken the dreams, drought up all hopes
Oh ! When I think about it
It’s time to think about it, it’s time France
Starts to be aware of all her crimes
Grow something meaningful from her own shame
But even if it’s the case, this is too late
History teaches it, our opportunities are gone
So let’s stop this now instead of making it survive
And make grow anything but even more hatred
Let’s unite in order to incinerate the system !

[AllezParisAllezPSG]

many may criticize ntm (i personally love them, my favorite song is La Fievre, don't know why) ... but if you read those lyrics, it's exactly what has really happened in the last few weeks... just like many others, they predicted it...

[guignol]

This article is much more agressive than what i've read about Katrina in France. But, I won't deny that, in general, there was the same kind of gloating there is now in Europe 2 months ago about Katrina, and I find that highly depressing in both cases.i don't know about europe 2, but my regular sources of news in french are le nouvel observateur, télérama, le monde, TV5 and france inter. none of these did any gloating, and their criticisms were if anything less virulent than i read in time! but this myth that the french were in glee about katrina is not only coming from californiarepublic and the hannity crowd, it's also in the washington post!

I understand that the rioters were at least 2nd generation Frenchies, but comparing these guys to blacks in the 60s is a little steep of a comparison.one very big difference is that, unlike the situation for blacks in the south in the 60's, the french state and school system has spent incredible energy and money in the past years to get these kids out of the spiral of failure, not always wisely or well, but they deserve at least a C+ for effort. BARCA XIV's question, "how are they going to go out and get an education. Do not forget that most of them can barely afford the school tution and expenses." doesn't fit in france. school is MORE than free. we even get aid at the beginning of the school year to buy supplies!

it is more like these cretins expect an advanced humanistic, secular judeo-christian european society to lower itself across the board to become casbah like muslim slum. if they don't feel comfotbale living among non muslimes, then LEAVE. NOW!these riots are completely separate from the islamic question. these kids don't want to turn france into a slum, but they're desperate to get out of theirs, and they don't see much hope.

the blame for the situation can be spread widely:

first, the parents who can't handle the kids they have and still make more. (this sounds racist, it's really the opposite: i know several maghrebin families whose kids succeeed in school and in life, and they all have one common denominator: 2 or 3 kids instead of 6 or 8)

the kids themselves; it's your life, the only one you'll get, and it's up to you to do something with it. sure the row to hoe is tougher than the rest, but that doesn't mean you have to give up.

white french people who have never accepted arabs, vote for the far right and put all the ills of the nation on the backs of the immigrants.

white french people who do accept arabs (in theory), vote caviar socialist, but all from the comfort of the west side of paris, or the monts d'or, where they never see an arab, and send their kids to catholic schools so they don't have to go to school with them.

the school system for being naïve

the state for being cynical.

[lefutur]

An interesting analysis on the differences between the US and France.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1112-29.htm

[sl7vk]

An interesting analysis on the differences between the US and France.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1112-29.htm


Good article.

[lefutur]

Good article.

Its a great website....almost like the anti-Faux news

[guignol]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to lefutur again.

the only thing i can't agree with is in the last paragraph. the jeunes involved in this don't "recognize that their government might actually heed their plight". the fact is that the realization by the government that we have are problems to face is not new; there has been much said and much tried to address them, but either not well enough or not seriously enough to come even close to working.

[Sachin]

Well, we drove through some of the affected neighborhoods on the way to CDG from the Rive Gauche.

2 things:

1. I would hate to live in one of those high-rises, and I only saw it from the outside.
2. If the driver didn't say anything to us, I never would have known that we were in affected neighborhoods. They didn't look any different from much of the rest of Paris.

Sachin

[YankBastard]

Well, we drove through some of the affected neighborhoods on the way to CDG from the Rive Gauche.

2 things:

1. I would hate to live in one of those high-rises, and I only saw it from the outside.
2. If the driver didn't say anything to us, I never would have known that we were in affected neighborhoods. They didn't look any different from much of the rest of Paris.

Sachin

So all of Paris looks like an Arab ghetto?

[patrickm]

paris higyh rises compared with those seen in the new york-new jersey area? 3,000 people living like pigs together all in one building.

[guignol]

1. I would hate to live in one of those high-rises, and I only saw it from the outside.i would hate to live in one of those neighborhoods now, but when they were built they were modern, spacious and comfortable. a previous generation grew up in them just fine. they're tearing all the barres down now, but the problem is deeper than architecture.

2. If the driver didn't say anything to us, I never would have known that we were in affected neighborhoods. They didn't look any different from much of the rest of Paris.yes, the place de vosges, avenue foch... puts on his best bette davis voice...WHAT A DUMP!

[Nanbawan]

So all of Paris looks like an Arab ghetto?

God, we missed you...