Riots in Paris suburbs

[YankBastard]

I'm getting something in the news, but it's from FoxNews, so I'll ask you Frenchies and Francophiles first before I believe what they say. They're saying that the muslim communities have asked in the past for "self-rule," as in, having a semi-autonomous state and ruling it by they're own rules. Is that true?

[sl7vk]

I'm getting something in the news, but it's from FoxNews, so I'll ask you Frenchies and Francophiles first before I believe what they say. They're saying that the muslim communities have asked in the past for "self-rule," as in, having a semi-autonomous state and ruling it by they're own rules. Is that true?
No.
Your problem is that you're watching foxnews....

[corina]

I'm getting something in the news, but it's from FoxNews, so I'll ask you Frenchies and Francophiles first before I believe what they say. They're saying that the muslim communities have asked in the past for "self-rule," as in, having a semi-autonomous state and ruling it by they're own rules. Is that true?
If its Fox ,its faux .

[patrickm]

If its Fox ,its faux .

no more faux than any other news channel. dan rather of all people was caught red handed fabricating a story about george bush last year.

[sl7vk]

no more faux than any other news channel. dan rather of all people was caught red handed fabricating a story about george bush last year.
You've just completly discredited yourself with that statement.

[corina]

no more faux than any other news channel. dan rather of all people was caught red handed fabricating a story about george bush last year.
One swallow does not make a summer.

[truillo]

You'd be surprised at how law-abiding most illegal immigrants are. Because they know that if they draw any attention to themselves they'll be sent home packing. Read the papers, and think before you type, man.

"law-abiding" illegals? Man, you are estupido! They are breaking the law everyday by being illegal! My uncle had to wait several years before he got the the visa to come to this country. He abides by the law of the land. Illegal means just that, breaking the law. Think before you type, man. :rolleyes:

[jambon-beurre]

Anyway, what's positive about these riots is that there's been people who had pleasure in seeing it happened :

http://www.californiarepublic.org/archives/Columns/Peters/20041109PetersFrance.html

France has cancer and insists it's just a rash. After two weeks of expanding immigrant violence, the government's inept response has turned a local riot into a nationwide insurrection.

Instead, the Gallic cock behaved like a headless chicken, stunned by the ingratitude of 5 million brown and black residents who failed to appreciate discrimination, jobless rates of up to 50 percent, public humiliation, crime, bigotry and, of course, the glorious French culture that excluded them through an informal apartheid system.

Paralyzed French officials complain of "unfair" media attention (welcome to the reality club, Pierre). Yet, hardly two months ago the French media celebrated the suffering in New Orleans — ignoring the brave response of millions of Americans to Hurricane Katrina to concentrate exclusively on the Crescent City's lower 9th ward and one nutty, incompetent mayor.

Meanwhile, every American who believes in racial equality and human dignity should sympathize with the rioters, not with the effete bigots on the Seine

Talk about celebrating the suffering ...

[lefutur]

I'm getting something in the news, but it's from FoxNews, so I'll ask you Frenchies and Francophiles first before I believe what they say. They're saying that the muslim communities have asked in the past for "self-rule," as in, having a semi-autonomous state and ruling it by they're own rules. Is that true?

this seems kind of ridiculous because the "kids" that are rioting, and most of them are very young, don't want a muslim state since they arent religious. they are rioting for economic reasons. a seperate state would not help them because they want help from the French state.

[corina]

Anyway, what's positive about these riots is that there's been people who had pleasure in seeing it happened :

http://www.californiarepublic.org/archives/Columns/Peters/20041109PetersFrance.html



Talk about celebrating the suffering ...
It is in bad taste ,no doubt. But the question is what was it that some of the French media wrote about Katerina aftermath which elicited such a response.Mind you , 2 wrongs dont make it right.

[jambon-beurre]

This article is much more agressive than what i've read about Katrina in France. But, I won't deny that, in general, there was the same kind of gloating there is now in Europe 2 months ago about Katrina, and I find that highly depressing in both cases.

[corina]

This article is much more agressive than what i've read about Katrina in France. But, I won't deny that, in general, there was the same kind of gloating there is now in Europe 2 months ago about Katrina, and I find that highly depressing in both cases.
This is what confounds me.Why does a disaster turn into a pissing contest? Iam sure these people who write such nasty stuff and of incredible vision have nothing of note when it comes to actually providing a solution.

[jambon-beurre]

Here's a funny one :

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6682151&postcount=21

I would have love to neg rep him, but it won't have any effect on the number of his little green buttons, so ...

[Forza_Italia]

Curfews don`t work in such situations. They are only aggravating the problem. The message curfews convey is simply that we are not going to listen to your grievances but we are going to use any possible force to crash you. Which won`t bring success even if Paris wants it to look like this is not a major problem. This is huge and time will tell when it will be solved.

The community leaders have to play a huge role in letting the rioting masses know that the federal government is listening at least to a history of thier grievances.
true but obviously they did something right becuase the violence has slowed down a bit

[YankBastard]

true but obviously they did something right becuase the violence has slowed down a bit

Yeah, the rioters got tired and have gone home for a falafel. Either way it shouldn't have taken 2 ********ing weeks to calm the riots.

[midknight]

Its amazing how much ignorance can be funny.

On one hand we have right wing americans criticising France for its 'liberal muticultural commitment' while a (presumably) more liberal American criticises France for its monolithic assimilationist policies.

The obvious American glee with France's internal troubles (read Chirac's govenment is weak') is as clear as the French mainstream horrifed by the failure of the United States to take care of something as simple as the evacuation and rescue of its citizens after Katrina (read alternatively because Bush's warhawks have no more money and soldiers left for New Orleans/Bush's conservative government doesn't give a damn about his black people). This is the same French media that was very quick to use the terrorist attacks in London to question the British multicultural model, but which somehow or the other completely glossed over the Birmingham riots.

We have alternatively people clamouring for the French government to stop burying its head in the sand about its ethnic minority problem and others quarelling about the 'ethnicisation of a social problem'

We have others using this as an excuse to launch their tirade against the illegal immigrants (different from those launching their tirade against the 'damn islamists') while others maintain that the rioters are in fact in the main neither islamist nor immigrants.

we have semi fascists proposing the brutal and immediate 'return of law and order' as the only solution whereas others congratulate the imposition of the curfew (which in reality was more of an authorisation to impose curfew in selective areas) as a firm but sensible/sensitive move.
Both of which ignores the fact that the violence calmed down before the authorisation, and ignore the REAL problem here of which the riots are only a symptom...

I'm dying of laughter, really i am :(

[the shelts]

screw these muslim rioters punks. They grumble about their pathetic lot in life. Go back to Western Sahara and see how much freedom the Moriccans give them over there. Pack your bags and allez.

[corina]

screw these muslim rioters punks. They grumble about their pathetic lot in life. Go back to Western Sahara and see how much freedom the Moriccans give them over there. Pack your bags and allez.
Well said,indeed. A job is waiting for you at Faux News,maybe the next Hannity in the making?

[the shelts]

Corina- people who come a country by choice and then are upset by their lot in life have very little to grumble about. Getting mad at a government and blaming an interior minister for not having a job is insane.

Hannity is an idiot. I

[THOMA GOL]

Has riot aura spilled over into the stadia in French leagues (in the form of banners, chants, ultra groups, etc?)