Riots in Paris suburbs

[truillo]

That's a lesson of history



I am shocked. I am shocked that the French government hasn't surrendered yet. I'm sure they will soon though, as history repeats itself.

[sl7vk]

I don't mean to be naive, but I thought France and other socialist governments in Western Europe were supposed to be more "caring" towards their citizens than democracies, which supposedly don't care for their poor, etc. I'm from the US and this characterization is wrong, but I know that it's propagated in the media. If it were true and socialism is the perfect form of government, then there would be no need to riot.

You two are real idiots aren't you.....
Do me a quick favor, remove your heads from your posteriors, and then feel free to post on the French boards.

France is a democracy. Please take a High School Political Science class before making any statement on these things in public ever again. Thanks.

[fishbiproduct]

You two are real idiots aren't you.....
Do me a quick favor, remove your heads from your posteriors, and then feel free to post on the French boards.

France is a democracy. Please take a High School Political Science class before making any statement on these things in public ever again. Thanks.

:D Beat me to it...
"arsenalfreaky" and other tools, there's a thread on this
subject in the "Politics" forum:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262124

Why don't you just head there to display your intellect
and avoid polluting this forum?

[arsenalfreaky]

Call 'em what you will, but I think Chirac would say differently. Their social programs ARE most definitely socialistic. You socialists just never want to admit the truth.

[Nanbawan]

Wow, some contributions there are so deep...

[arsenalfreaky]

We'd better stop, lest we be taunted a second time! Crap, lighten up.

[lefutur]

Obviously the education system here in the States is not the best.

[lefutur]

I don't mean to be naive, but I thought France and other socialist governments in Western Europe were supposed to be more "caring" towards their citizens than democracies, which supposedly don't care for their poor, etc. I'm from the US and this characterization is wrong, but I know that it's propagated in the media. If it were true and socialism is the perfect form of government, then there would be no need to riot.

Where to start, jesus. Yes, France is a democracy because they are elected officials. If the French populace elects someone from the socialist party, like Mitterand for example, the country doesnt cease to be a democracy. One things Americans dont understand is that there is actually more political freedom in france - not less. The US has a 2 party system which means that you have a choice between moderately pro-business versus very pro-business. Wow, big difference. In France during a presidential election you may have 7 or more parties competing which run the breadth of the entire political spectrum from communism to fascism and everything in between. I think its pretty refreshing.

Also....there's no such thing as a "perfect" system!!!

[ilv2]

Also....there's no such thing as a "perfect" system!!!

:mad: yes there is. our freedoms dictate as such.
















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[gaijin]

If anymore people who wish to discuss this issue head first without even understanding any of the facts or problems here, then there is a lovely thread that fish posted that you can go and visit and discuss.

I was hoping this thread would allow French posters and Francophiles like myself discuss the problem rationally and realisitcally like the bunch of Parisian artisans and beatniks that we are...especially from a French perspective.

It does not need any input from people who feel morally outraged about nonsensical issues to the argument at hand. Show your intelligence or kindly vacate the premises.

Please note, the lack of outrage, shock or frustration from the French posters. Maybe this will give you an indication to the attitude that these problems take in 21st century France and the rather calm enviroment that everyone should be enjoying whilst discussing this issue.

Ta...

[Forza_Italia]

what a really chilling fact is that the conditions in parisian "ghettos" are similar to many across europe and the fact that the accidental deaths of 2 people could spark nearly a week of riots is really scary.BTW if anybody doesnt know yet similar riots have errupted from the "peacefull" anti bush protests in plata del mar argentina :eek:

[gaijin]

Its quite similar to the Brixton riots in the 80's when that black kid was killed in police custody, it merely tipped everything over the edge and burst the bubble of Thatcher oppression...

But in that case, the government, put money into Brixton to make sure it wouldn't happen again and actively recruited a more social police force and a greater dialogue bewteen ethnic communities in that area. Trouble is, it appears to have gone too far.... :(

But as incidents in Birmingham last month shows, this problem exists throughout Europe and is just simmering underneath the surface...

[fishbiproduct]

Inappropriate humour:

Can't we all...just...get along? :(










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merci, ilv2 ;)

[Forza_Italia]

Its quite similar to the Brixton riots in the 80's when that black kid was killed in police custody, it merely tipped everything over the edge and burst the bubble of Thatcher oppression...

But in that case, the government, put money into Brixton to make sure it wouldn't happen again and actively recruited a more social police force and a greater dialogue bewteen ethnic communities in that area. Trouble is, it appears to have gone too far.... :(

But as incidents in Birmingham last month shows, this problem exists throughout Europe and is just simmering underneath the surface...
very true, i dont know 2 much about the brixton riots becuase it happened before i was born but these riots are the most severe at least damage-wise i have ever seen bottom line is this kind of stuff is inevitable becuase there is no way to keep everyone happy only stuff that can really be done is damage control so that it doesnt escalate even futher

[gaijin]

Oh yeah? Well while you're being all "calm" and "enjoying yourself" people are buring your ********ing city to the ground. If that was happening to my suburbs, I wouldn't even be here. I'd be out defending my home against those ********ing anarchists.

Not the first time it happened...

It happened in the early 90's...

Maybe, if you took a calm approach and have lived in a city that is rife with crime and trouble on a daily basis you live to accept it as another ************ problem the government has not solved. The media has hyped this up, more than they did in the 90's. In fact many people didn't even know those problems happened in the 90's.

But this is some funny sh!t, keep it up...

[Breakwood]

I just love it when someone from a country founded by Immigrants, is so anti-immigration.

[Forza_Italia]

Yeah, you guy's need the right to bear arms over there. If they came to American suburbs with that ******** they're doing, they'd get shot up.
that makes no sense if people in the american suburbs were rioting they would have guns as well which means they could shoot back therefore the riots would probably be even worse because not only are people firebombing stuff but they are shooting eachother as well

[Breakwood]

that makes no sense if people in the american suburbs were rioting they would have guns as well which means they could shoot back therefore the riots would probably be even worse because not only are people firebombing stuff but they are shooting eachother as well

Check and Mate! :D

[sl7vk]

New Orleans is what happens when idiots like you start gallavanting around with weapons. Snipers shooting people coming in and out of hospitals. Clean up your back yard YankBastard before you start doling out international advice.

[quentinc]

I'm talking about the modern Texas, you moron. It was founded by white people who eventually outnumbered the Mexicans and, in retrospect, rebelled and took the land for themselves.
The "modern Texas" is the same as the Texas that was founded partially by the Spanish, Mexicans and French, believe it or not. Considering that I live in a town which is predominately hispanic, I find it a stretch to say that the white people outnumber them even now...

And you are an idiot. But it's hilarious that someone can be so stupid, and it really lightens the mood to listen to your idiotic rants.

Moving on...

Pierre-Henri, on cable news last night, they said that car-burning in France is a common way of rioting, and the reporter mentioned Strasbourg, and how every New Year's Eve, hundreds of cars are burned there, as if it were tradition. Have you experienced this? Is it as bad as he makes it sound?