View Full Version : Who are the best tactitions out there?
Dark Savante
03 Nov 2005, 07:07 AM
A manager doesn't neccesarily have to be great tactically to harvest a highly successful team, so when I ask this question it would be preferable not to see a bunch of the great managers listed. What I want to know is who do you think are the best tactical managers out there?
- Which manager's can adapt and change systems and pawns(players) to suit any situation?
- Which tactical managers you can literally watch outsmart the opposing manager as a game goes on.
- Who brings on what look like odd substitutions who 'all of a sudden' turn a game.
etc.
I've always rated Scolari highly for this. He makes bold decisions mid-game and adapts tactics accordingly. Neil Warnock at Sheffield United is another one. His team will give any team in England a hard game even they don't win and its mainly down to his tactical planning. Rehagel is another one. His last masterstroke was Greece at Euro 2004, but before that he was always a bold attacking coach who changed games with key moments of tactical nous.
Who do you hold in high regard for their tactical play as a manager?
Duck Manson
03 Nov 2005, 07:26 AM
Capello. he makes teams overachieve. not many coaches at that level can say the same. ferguson used to have that gift, but now hes worthless as a coach since he has no tactical knowledge whatsoever and has nothing to fall back on (other then his reputation of course). alotta people are gonna name mourinho but i cant really judge him yet. he hasnt done anything remarkable since he left porto. i think him coaching chelsea will only hurt his reputation, because he is in a lose-lose situation. if he wins, he gets no credit cause of his remarkable squad, if he loses, he gets the blame cause of his remarkable squad.
Bertje
03 Nov 2005, 08:15 AM
Cruijff is brilliant. He always finds the most simple solution to problems, solutions most persons would never find. He could do it as a player and as a trainer he still did it.
sidefootsitter
05 Nov 2005, 01:22 AM
I'll throw Otto Rehhagel and Guus Hiddink into the pot and not just because each of them has a double consonant in both first and last names.
dor02
05 Nov 2005, 01:39 AM
Capello is first, followed by Rehagel and Hiddink.
Capello makes teams better than what they are. A great example was the 1994 CL Final. AC Milan played Barca and both were evenly matched teams going into the game but Capello's tactics caught Barca by surprise, especially Cruyff, as he believed that his attractive style was going beat the uglyness of Capello's. AC Milan showed that they had a brilliant defence and they were fantastic in attack, winning 4-0. In fact, AC Milan were missing at least three regular starters and Panucci had a goal disallowed.
Rehagel gave Werder Bremen and Greece fame. Werder won the Bundesliga title in 1988 and 1993 as well as the 1992 Cup Winners' Cup. Grecce won the Euro last year and their odds to win were 500-1 prior to the tornament. Rehagel used old Italian tactics mixed in with German disipline.
Hiddink helped the Dutch to fourth place at France 1998 and it was Holland's best performance at a World Cup since 1978. South Korea performed well thanks to his tactics at the last World Cup. Hopefully, he can repeat the trick for the Socceroos.
sidefootsitter, Rehagel has one "h" and the letter "u" is a vowel, not a consonent.
Duck Manson, I wouldn't go as far as saying that Sir Alex is worthless. It's most likely going to be his last year at Man Utd and it looks like he has lost his motivation. He can only be worthless if it looks like he is trying. Not only that, the players he has got aren't of the standard of the players from the great sides of the 1990s. He had the likes of Cantona, Beckham (hate the b*a*s*t*a*r*d but he was good with Man Utd), Roy Keane at his peak, Giggs at his very best, Teddy Sheringham, Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole. Those players are better than most of the current players. The only player from the current bunch that is of their standard or close to it is Cristiano Ronaldo. With the current bunch, there isn't much that Ferguson can do, with or without trying. His reign is nearing its end.
Duck Manson
05 Nov 2005, 07:48 AM
that 1994 milan team were missing their two stoppers, Baresi and costcourta. i was sure barca would destroy them seeing as romario and stojchkov were on fire. Capello is an absolutely brilliant coach. he has shown that with numerous teams.
as for alex, if i was in charge of man utd (it could be argued that alex is now), he would have been shown the door a long time ago. he hasnt contributed anything the last 4-5 years in my opinion. his buys have been all but a success, other then the obvious ones like rooney, ronaldo, ruud, who were a lock to be good. selling stam cause of a personal feud is rediculous. he should be thinking team first, winning first, not about his position in the organisation. to me a great coach makes a team better then they should be. alex hasnt done that for a long long time now. mourinho did that with porto, capello has done it with roma and Juventus, wenger to some extent with arsenal. houllier at lyon and hiddink at psv is the same thing. ferguson isnt doing anything but sound dumb in interviews these days.
comme
05 Nov 2005, 08:54 AM
In terms of tactics alone Glenn Hoddle is very shrewd.
The only drawback is that he's an awful man manager.
El viejo Matias
05 Nov 2005, 09:21 AM
Cesar Menotti, a legend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LaudrupFan
05 Nov 2005, 09:53 AM
Ferguson made a genius tatical move agaisnt Juve in 99 when he took Yorke off for Sheringham which completly changed the gme and saved the tie for United. How about the Newcastle 6-2 game, Newcastle had an incredible record at home and were one-nil up, Ferguson saw a weakness on Newcastles rigtht side and had all his attackng talent on the left. The rest is history.
Duck Manson
05 Nov 2005, 09:53 AM
1999. thats six years ago buddy. i cant recall anything tactical that alex has done thats paid off, surprisingly, the last half a decade. or more. in fact, tactially, alex is a moth. listening to him talk about tactics for an hour would be highly entertaining. id pay serious money to hear that.
LaudrupFan
05 Nov 2005, 10:00 AM
1999. thats six years ago buddy. i cant recall anything tactical that alex has done thats paid off, surprisingly, the last half a decade. or more. in fact, tactially, alex is a moth. listening to him talk about tactics for an hour would be highly entertaining. id pay serious money to hear that.
As I pointed out he changed a game completly in his favor against Newcastle only three years ago. He made Wenger look like a fool twice last season.