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Nanbawan
07 Apr 2006, 09:29 PM
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in any case, it's vacation time for two weeks, so i'll try to keep up with the forums while relaxing in TUNISIA :D
ilv2 tours Maghreb ! :D
http://www.hiphopdeal.com/article1608.html
Did you bring the Playstation ?
TheOrator
10 Apr 2006, 06:48 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4895164.stm
Communism wins again in France
France to scrap youth job law
Millions have joined protests across France against the job law
French President Jacques Chirac has announced that the new youth employment law that sparked weeks of sometimes violent protests will be scrapped.
He said it would be replaced by other measures to tackle youth unemployment.
Millions of students and union members have taken to the streets over the last month in protest against the law, which made it easier to fire young workers.
Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said the law's aim had been to tackle high unemployment among the young.
The law, known as the First Employment Contract or CPE, introduced a new work contract for under-26s.
FIRST JOB CONTRACT
Contrat Premiere Embauche (CPE): A new work contract for under-26s allowing a two-year trial period
In that period, employers can end a contract without explanation
After two years, the CPE reverts to a standard full-time contract
Became law on 2 April
It was to allow a two-year trial period, during which employers could end a contract without explanation.
The plan to replace the law was announced after a meeting between the president, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin and other senior ministers on Monday.
'Dramatic situation'
Speaking in a live television address, Mr de Villepin said the president had accepted his proposed changes and that the new measures would be presented to the various sectors concerned during Monday.
He said he was convinced that the only way of addressing joblessness in France was a better balance between flexibility for employers and security for employees.
"For some time the action of the government had been guided by one objective, to provide thousands of young people from our society with opportunities for jobs," he said.
"I wanted to act very quickly because the dramatic situation and the despair of a number of young people warranted it.
"This was not understood by everyone, I'm sorry to say," said Mr de Villepin.
His goal now, he said, was to work for the future of the country, adding that he hoped all French people would work together.
Union leaders had given the government until Easter weekend to withdraw the law or face a repeat of the recent general strikes.
In a first reaction, the deputy leader of the country's second biggest trade union, the CGT, welcomed the announcement.
Maryse Dumas told the French news agency, AFP, that the withdrawl of the CPE was due to the "success of the joint action of workers and students, as well as union unity".
Nanbawan
10 Apr 2006, 09:29 AM
Communism wins again in France
Tu serais pas un peu du genre à nous casser les couilles toi ?
Once again, it's not the topic but the way you bring it...
AllezParisAllezPSG
10 Apr 2006, 09:46 PM
i'm just going to say i am really upset about what happened today in france... i am so utterly sick of chirac it's a joke... and people who don't know what work is about are marching in the streets and are direction the country and its policies... i'm speechless...
Nanbawan
10 Apr 2006, 10:53 PM
i'm just going to say i am really upset about what happened today in france... i am so utterly sick of chirac it's a joke...
If that can reassure you, Chirac never liked the CPE to start with.
Nanbawan
10 Apr 2006, 11:17 PM
In Memoriam (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/pensee%20unique/video/79603)
Bon, un petit sujet qui aère les neurones. On est pas obligé d'être d'accord avec tout ce qui se dit. Notamment avec un des intervenants...Quoi qu'il en soit, je trouve ça a le mérite de rappeler deux trois évidences que l'air du temps tend (...) à nous faire perdre de vue.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/pensee%20unique/video/29530
Sachin
11 Apr 2006, 05:37 AM
i'm just going to say i am really upset about what happened today in france... i am so utterly sick of chirac it's a joke... and people who don't know what work is about are marching in the streets and are direction the country and its policies... i'm speechless...
What's really ironic: French workers are possibly the most productive in the world, according to the Economist. I don't understand what's happening there. Even an Economics 101 student can tell you that without the flexibility to hire and fire, labor markets dry up.
At least you don't have to worry about the Polish plumber.. before too long, no one will be able to afford him.
Sachin
Sachin
11 Apr 2006, 05:38 AM
In Memoriam (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/pensee%20unique/video/79603)
Bon, un petit sujet qui aère les neurones. On est pas obligé d'être d'accord avec tout ce qui se dit. Notamment avec un des intervenants...Quoi qu'il en soit, je trouve ça a le mérite de rappeler deux trois évidences que l'air du temps tend (...) à nous faire perdre de vue.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/pensee%20unique/video/29530
Mon Deiu, I hate the Doors.... a low-grade Velvet Underground.
Sachin
Pierre-Henri
11 Apr 2006, 02:11 PM
Even an Economics 101 student can tell you that without the flexibility to hire and fire, labor markets dry up.
It's like a gordian knot.
1) Flexibility could reduce unemployement.
2) Workers don't want flexibility as long as unemployement is that high.
Nanbawan
11 Apr 2006, 07:06 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/boom%20boom/video/85706
Ok, it's NOT a chihuahua...
AllezParisAllezPSG
11 Apr 2006, 08:49 PM
What's really ironic: French workers are possibly the most productive in the world, according to the Economist. I don't understand what's happening there. Even an Economics 101 student can tell you that without the flexibility to hire and fire, labor markets dry up.
At least you don't have to worry about the Polish plumber.. before too long, no one will be able to afford him.
Sachin
well yes french workers are the most productive in the world, it is true... but when you look at the hours they work, it makes sense... in the end, while they may be very productive, they work such low hours that they are actually producing less than others (i'm talking about blue collar, white collar people work just as much as in any other country)...
honestly, i hope that sarkozy is elected and that he starts to turn things around... i'm sick of chirac because he's a puppet... he knows that he has 1 year left and so he is trying to do his best to have the people remember him positively (won't happen)... for me, sarkozy is the only guy who has the guys to move things around (kind of like a thatcher)... first he needs to get elected...
Nanbawan
11 Apr 2006, 11:59 PM
first he needs to get elected...
No thanks...This whole turmoil would make some good if he sank with the boat...Unfortunately, he's a die hard bastard, let's reckon that.
sl7vk
12 Apr 2006, 10:51 AM
This is pretty funny. Go to Google and type miserable failure. Then instead of searching, hit "I'm feeling lucky." I think Nanbawan will get a kick out of this.
Nanbawan
12 Apr 2006, 12:53 PM
I hoped it would be sarko...:D Yeah, heard about it, it's incredible it is still there !
valanjak
12 Apr 2006, 03:15 PM
I am going to be in Paris next week for 5 days , its my first time visiting Paris , I was wondering if you guys know any good tourist destinations in Paris and what’s the best way to travel around the city ( bus , metro, taxi). I am going to be traveling from Washington DC to Paris and then to Tehran , I will stay in Tehran for 3 weeks and from there I will go to Manchester UK for 2 weeks and then back to the states.
Sachin
12 Apr 2006, 03:30 PM
Liberty, Equality, Mediocrity (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,1181649,00.html)
Is this comment true: "In France not a single enterprise founded in the past 40 years has managed to break into the ranks of the nation's 25 biggest companies?"
It's interesting to see the revisionist history on the kids in the suburbs rioting last fall. *Now* they are the heirs to 1789? :rolleyes:
Sachin
Nanbawan
12 Apr 2006, 04:18 PM
Liberty, Equality, Mediocrity (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,1181649,00.html)
There have, I suppose, been other peoples in other places who yearned for a life of mediocrity. But leave it to the French to make a revolution in its name.
Yeah, yeah, live it to us. Who claimed it was a 'revolution' anyway, wash the shit you have in your brain dude ! I'm talkin about the journalist.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion. There are so much things off target in this article that I can't bother pointing them out, I mean whether one was in favor of the CPE* or not. Bah, at least we know where he stands.
Concerning companies, I can't confirm, but the fact that our business mentality is rather conservative and old fashioned isn't really a novelty. That doesn't mean there aren't innovations coming from from France either but discernment doesn't seem to be some journalists' forte.
By retaining quite a significant industrial sector -10 % of French employees work for the automotive industry- and having two independant -for the moment- noticeable car makers, we should be compared with Germany not the UK with respect with some perspective.
*The CNE (Contrat Nouvel Embauche) is still running, so maybe we're not done yet on the whole issue...
sl7vk
12 Apr 2006, 04:30 PM
The industrial sector is still huge on European terms in France. Automotive (Renault, Peugot, Citroen, Michelen, etc...) is only second to Germany in strength in Europe. And Auronatical is #1. France also makes a lot of steel.
It's too bad the the NSR has turned into a dumping ground of conservitave tripe. Hey America, you've got two wars to worry about at the moment. So take it easy, eat your freedom fries, enjoy your mounting obesedy, and leave the French alone.
And they say that the French are anti-American. Uggg... We should take a look in the mirror.
TheOrator
13 Apr 2006, 12:35 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4905072.stm
French woman: "Do not call me miss, you male chauvinist pig."
Feminists frown on 'Mademoiselle'
By Caroline Wyatt
BBC News, Paris
French politician Segolene Royal is seen as a role model by some
Feminists in France have petitioned the French government to remove the title Mademoiselle or Miss from official administrative documents.
Les Chiennes de Garde (the Guard Dogs), the biggest feminist group in France, say the title "perpetuates the submission to macho values" in France.
They say it unfairly forces women to divulge their marital status whereas men have only to reveal their gender.
Many women dread the day they are seen as too mature for Mademoiselle.
A polite bonjour to a woman in France is almost always followed by madame or mademoiselle - but the decision as to who is which can be a tricky one.
Leading question
So French feminists say the government should do away with the title altogether.
I don't like when people call me madame - I feel like I am very old and not available
unnamed Frenchwoman
They claim the distinction between the two is only used by French men to determine a woman's sexual availability.
A little research on the streets of Paris suggests the feminists may have a point.
"I don't like when people call me madame - I feel like I am very old and not available," one told the BBC.
"I prefer when they call me miss."
Another said: "As a man, probably it's a good way to clarify the position from the beginning.
"It's true if a guy likes me and asks if I am madame or mademoiselle, I know what he means and what he is wants to know behind this question."
No Ms here
However Chiennes de Garde say they do not want an equivalent to the English Ms but the use of madame for women of all ages, married or not.
Whether the guardians of the French language, the Academie Francaise, will accept that is another matter.
It still insists that female cabinet ministers are referred to by the male le as in Madame Le Ministre.
Perhaps, then, this issue will have to wait until France has a Madame le President?
AllezParisAllezPSG
13 Apr 2006, 12:47 AM
I am going to be in Paris next week for 5 days , its my first time visiting Paris , I was wondering if you guys know any good tourist destinations in Paris and what’s the best way to travel around the city ( bus , metro, taxi). I am going to be traveling from Washington DC to Paris and then to Tehran , I will stay in Tehran for 3 weeks and from there I will go to Manchester UK for 2 weeks and then back to the states.
metro in paris is really great... much simpler than the one here in nyc lol... just walk around in le marais, go to le quartier latin and bastille at night to go out, just walk around anywhere and you'll love it lol... oh and go to the parc des princes :D