Sack the management? [R]

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Forgetting about that abysmal display against Middlesbrough for a moment, things haven't been going well for quite some time. The team has lost it's way and we are on a downward spiral, which is only further compounded by Glazer and the Chelsea situation. The days of teams fearing us and our attack, attack, attack mentality is now a distant memory. The squad is sub-standard and the core has been allowed to age for too long now. Hell, we don't even know our best XI. This is not acceptable for any club, let alone Manchester United. We are falling away like Liverpool previously did. One of the reasons for this is Ferguson. I love him to bits and have met him on several occasions, but it is time for him to leave.

We need a new man at the helm and we need it now. This season is finished. Give the new management the rest of the season to look at the squad and decide what needs to be done. Then let's see what happens next season. We knew this time would come. Ferguson won't be around forever, so the time has finally arrived for a new man to build his own dynasty.

[StrikerCW]

I agree with you. He did us well for 15 years or so, but it is time to move on, as always occurs.

We haven't done much lately, and hopefully some new blood will turn up. I know hes done alot, but its time, now, or soon.
I don't know who there is to replace him, but there has to be someone out there that can turn things around.

[SirManchester]

I have the same feeling on this, I am so frustrated with what's been happening, not even this season, but for the past three seasons, its quickly becoming a pattern. I know some of you might think we should give him more time, he know what he's doing, this is a rebuilding stage,etc. but it isn't only about that, its about the entire league around us which is also changing, and we have to adapt to that, Ferguson cannot keep relying on the same tactics and players, something definitely needs to be done.
Some of you might also think if we get a great result int he upcoming weeks our negative spell is over, but thats certainly not the case, we need to look at the overall picture here and realize what needs to be done. I'm an avid fan of Ferguson and have always supported him and trusted in his decisions but that sentiment has just been fading away as of late.

[littleman]

*NOW* is not the answer. I really wouldn't want to see Carlos Queiroz at helm.

[gazza]

No I don't think it's time yet. The line up has been in complete turmoil all season. Yes it appears SAF is too loyal at times but who should be replaced in the line up? It's basically down to reserves as back ups at this point and the many starting XI are back ups by trade. I read every complaing about formation and tactics but if everyone is playing out of position the way it is what can you do? 3-4 are learning on the job the way it is. Get healthy and hopefully get some strength in January and see what happens. My biggest fear is finishing in a CL spot this year.

[SirManchester]

I am well aware that this is a transition period, I suppose its been so since we last won the league and some of you expect it to go on a couple more years, for me that is unacceptable, but thats beside the point. Its not so much that Ferguson is the wrong man to take us through this transition, we all know he is cabpable of doing it as he's done so before. What really bothers me is his manegerial decisions considering the past two seasons. His tactics are absolutely mindbending and in times of crisis he just doesn't seem to have any backup plans. That is the only reason I am questioning the sacking of this managment.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Why should Ferguson be given more time to complete this transitional period, if he isn't even going to be around to manage the next team? Surely it is best to allow our next manager to complete the progression as he sees fit?

[SirManchester]

Why should Ferguson be given more time to complete this transitional period, if he isn't even going to be around to manage the next team? Surely it is best to allow our next manager to complete the progression as he sees fit?

Exactly how I see it, even if Ferguson is given more time to complete this "transition" how long will he be around to coach it anyway!? It will be even more difficult for the man in charge to manage a team which the previous coach actually formed.
It would be much simpler to bring in someonelse who knows what to do with the team, and will carry it out effectively.

[Ronaldo07]

ok, if we sack him then who would you want? theres nobody avaliable at this time.. you seem to suggest you want someone to build a new team and see it through, so then we need a youngish manager which lessens the contenders even more..

[Howard Zinn]

Go read my post in the match thread to see exactly how I feel about the situation. It better explains my position than my vote did.

[Joelzinho]

Right now everyone is answering this thread on their emotions to Middlesborough loss.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Right now everyone is answering this thread on their emotions to Middlesborough loss.

Of course. That doesn't mean it is irrelevant though. For me, that match was simply the final straw.

[SirManchester]

ok, if we sack him then who would you want? theres nobody avaliable at this time.. you seem to suggest you want someone to build a new team and see it through, so then we need a youngish manager which lessens the contenders even more..

NO we don't neccessarily need a "youngish" manager, aux contraire, we need someone experienced who can handle this type of crisis and come out on top; Ottmar Hitzfeld.

[StrikerCW]

The probably as I see it, why would someone like Ottmar come to a club in our situation, when he has Bayern to manage, were he still has a challenge and they are still doing well?

[NYCgeezer]

I'm pretty astonished at how many people are voting to sack Fergie - is this solely based on the 4-3-3??

It just seems like an irrational response to a bad day. Sacking Fergie would make everything ten times worse - consider the fact that many of our best players are at United due to their respect of Ferguson. We are already without leadership on the pitch - to lose it off would be the final blow.

[comme]

The probably as I see it, why would someone like Ottmar come to a club in our situation, when he has Bayern to manage, were he still has a challenge and they are still doing well?

Umm, Felix Magath is the coach at FC Bayern.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I'm pretty astonished at how many people are voting to sack Fergie - is this solely based on the 4-3-3??

It just seems like an irrational response to a bad day. Sacking Fergie would make everything ten times worse - consider the fact that many of our best players are at United due to their respect of Ferguson. We are already without leadership on the pitch - to lose it off would be the final blow.

Have you read the opening post or any of the various other threads detailing our problems over the last few seasons?

[FCDallas96]

We should blame the status of the team on Fergie because he is responsible for it. He has made poor buy after poor buy and wasted millions on the transfer market and he hasn't been able to unearth a real steal in quite a few years. Ronaldo, Rooney and Ruud are all no brainer acquisitions but we haven't been able to find good squad players in quite some time. His constant tinkering with the team has had a negative effect on players like Scholes and he has lost that ruthlessness he once had.

[NYCgeezer]

Have you read the opening post or any of the various other threads detailing our problems over the last few seasons?


Yes, as a matter-of-face I have, and generally, I think that most of the aforementioned threads and posts have been unclear, poorly informed, and without direction.

This is a testing time, surely, and I'll admit to questioning Fergie's tactics on occasion. But let's keep it together, and see what happens in January. I never support a management change mid-season. If things continue to go downhill, then maybe I would agree at the end of the season.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Would you like to respond to some of the points and questions that I have raised, instead of instantly dismissing them? In light of your last paragraph, my second paragraph in the opening post and the questions I posed in post seven might be of interest.