View Full Version : Isn't the Deadline soon?
MLC_United
25 Oct 2005, 03:39 PM
November is coming soon, and was wondering what eveyone thinks our chances of getting a team are?
Rahbiefowlah
25 Oct 2005, 06:49 PM
And on a related note, is there any chance of getting in with Toronto '07?
WarrenWallace
25 Oct 2005, 07:41 PM
And on a related note, is there any chance of getting in with Toronto '07?
There is no chance for 2007 as there is no place to play. 2008 has been the stated goal since the beginning.
Rahbiefowlah
25 Oct 2005, 07:47 PM
There is no chance for 2007 as there is no place to play. 2008 has been the stated goal since the beginning.
Right. That's what I thought. Of course the Don recently mentioned Milwaukee for 2007, but it seems like he throws out the first five cities that come to his mind.
kebzach
25 Oct 2005, 10:23 PM
Right. That's what I thought. Of course the Don recently mentioned Milwaukee for 2007, but it seems like he throws out the first five cities that come to his mind.
Did he specifically say "Milwauke 2007" or just refer to Milwaukee as a possibility?
By the way, I'm 100% certain that 2008 is the planned start up year.
Rahbiefowlah
25 Oct 2005, 10:58 PM
Maybe there's another thread for this, but if Milwaukee can't, who could possibly be ready for 2007 besides Toronto and Houston? And if those are the expansion cities, where would Kansas City go?
olderandwiser
26 Oct 2005, 12:09 AM
November is coming soon, and was wondering what eveyone thinks our chances of getting a team are?
Lacking any official response to your inquiry, I'd take an educated guess in saying that . . .
November is the month the Park East land will be auctioned. If MPS is still going after Park East land only, then November will obviously be the critical month. Peter's public statements on these boards gives an impression, though, that other sites are under consideration. Of course, what's being said publicly quite often differs from what's being said privately. After the initial excitement, things have quieted down, but that's the way we're told it would be. I'd guess there are some sensitive matters in serious discussion at the moment.
Regardless, if Milwaukee is being considered as fully operational for the 2008 season, there's probably a need to have some things locked in soon. You can't purchase a piece of property, build a stadium, and set your pieces overnight. Stadium construction alone would take a couple of years.
As Peter seems to be the public spokesperson, what we learn and when we learn it is up to him.
What are our chances? I guess it remains to be seen, although I'd like to believe they might be good.
fclalala
26 Oct 2005, 10:44 AM
Lacking any official response to your inquiry, I'd take an educated guess in saying that . . .
November is the month the Park East land will be auctioned. If MPS is still going after Park East land only, then November will obviously be the critical month. Peter's public statements on these boards gives an impression, though, that other sites are under consideration. Of course, what's being said publicly quite often differs from what's being said privately. After the initial excitement, things have quieted down, but that's the way we're told it would be. I'd guess there are some sensitive matters in serious discussion at the moment.
Regardless, if Milwaukee is being considered as fully operational for the 2008 season, there's probably a need to have some things locked in soon. You can't purchase a piece of property, build a stadium, and set your pieces overnight. Stadium construction alone would take a couple of years.
As Peter seems to be the public spokesperson, what we learn and when we learn it is up to him.
What are our chances? I guess it remains to be seen, although I'd like to believe they might be good.
I concur with olderandwiser. If I had to put odds on it I'd say Milwaukee's chances are slightly above 50%. There is a strong organization with a dedicated and experienced leader and there seems to be several interested investors.
Land acquisition is going to be one of the major hurdles, as land acquistion with any major project is and could be a deal breaker.
Zak1FCK
26 Oct 2005, 11:13 AM
November is the month the Park East land will be auctioned. If MPS is still going after Park East land only, then November will obviously be the critical month. Peter's public statements on these boards gives an impression, though, that other sites are under consideration. Of course, what's being said publicly quite often differs from what's being said privately. After the initial excitement, things have quieted down, but that's the way we're told it would be. I'd guess there are some sensitive matters in serious discussion at the moment.
There is almost no chance of building a stadium in the Park East land.
PhantomTollbooth
26 Oct 2005, 01:14 PM
Lacking any official response to your inquiry, I'd take an educated guess in saying that . . .
November is the month the Park East land will be auctioned. If MPS is still going after Park East land only, then November will obviously be the critical month. Peter's public statements on these boards gives an impression, though, that other sites are under consideration. Of course, what's being said publicly quite often differs from what's being said privately.
When I met with Peter (during his trip to Appleton) he specifically mentioned three sites, and Park East was one of them. However, all signs on these boards (and elsewhere) is that Park East is NOT the front-runner site.
Of course, what he can tell me (or any of us not directly involved) is an extremely small subset of what's really going on. :D
olderandwiser
26 Oct 2005, 01:55 PM
{Quote=PhantomTollbooth}Of course, what he can tell me (or any of us not directly involved) is an extremely small subset of what's really going on. :D[/QUOTE]
Ain't that the truth!
olderandwiser
26 Oct 2005, 05:42 PM
There is almost no chance of building a stadium in the Park East land.
Well, almost no chance is better than no chance at all.
Pygmalion
26 Oct 2005, 06:58 PM
There is almost no chance of building a stadium in the Park East land.
Zak, do you have some specific information that you can reference or is this one of those "I know, but can't tell you how I know I know" things. If that's the case that's fine, but it just gets a little obnoxious to read on these boards.
If ParkEast is out then it would be interesting to know what the other sites are. Peter made reference to a couple of other scenarios including something near the Summerfest grounds and another situation. It would have been nice to have known that the Park East was off the map fairly early on. I had the feeling that as fans of the effort we were being asked to back something and that that position became weakend as talk of second and third options emerged rather rapidly. I believe that was because, through no fault of the leaders of this effort, the word TIF became radioactive and that took the Park East out of the picture.
All of that said, if the best we can do now is sit on our hands with our fingers crossed, I'm happy to do that. I'm hopeful that negotiations are going well and back the sentiments about the quality of leadership we have on this thing.
Markitect
26 Oct 2005, 11:37 PM
It would seem they have already been "forced off" a Park East site, as reported a couple weeks ago already:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6415460&highlight=ParkEast#post6415460
It's too bad, as a site in the Park East corridor would have been the most highly visible and most easily accessable of any location in the entire Downtown area...right off the freeway at the McKinley Avenue exit, quite literally a major gateway into Downtown.
The next best site might be among the several acres of underutilized land in the Third Ward, adjacent to the Italian Community Center and Summerfest Grounds. Right now it is a vast surface parking lot, owned by the ICC, which leases parking spaces there as a way of generating revenue for the Center to people who work in the neighborhood and festival attendees...but the ICC has, in the past anyway, contemplated selling or leasing the land for development instead. Some articles in recent months regarding the soccer development have mentioned that this land is being considered as a "back-up" site, if the Park East location was denied.
A stadium near the Summerfest Grounds could be tied in with lakefront events...like hosting soccer teams from various countries represented at all of the ethnic festivals, or perhaps even additional concert space, etc.
Zak1FCK
27 Oct 2005, 10:21 AM
Zak, do you have some specific information that you can reference or is this one of those "I know, but can't tell you how I know I know" things. If that's the case that's fine, but it just gets a little obnoxious to read on these boards.
As I stated before someone in the mayor's office told me the Park East was off the table for the stadium because of the need of MPS to have a TIF district.
Peter Wilt
27 Oct 2005, 12:55 PM
As I stated before someone in the mayor's office told me the Park East was off the table for the stadium because of the need of MPS to have a TIF district.
Park East would be permitted as the land for the mixed use development with the stadium located on private land adjacent to the PE.
PE and surrounding areas continue to be considered along with other options. Recent developments have increased my optimism.
peter
PhantomTollbooth
27 Oct 2005, 01:07 PM
PE and surrounding areas continue to be considered along with other options. Recent developments have increased my optimism.
peter
The fact that we have someone leading this process that has actually gotten a SSS built before increases my optimism :D
May the force be with you Peter.
Minnman
27 Oct 2005, 02:45 PM
Recent developments have increased my optimism.
peter
Really, Peter, I don't think the World Series is relevant here.
Peter Wilt
27 Oct 2005, 04:28 PM
Really, Peter, I don't think the World Series is relevant here.
:)
Well, that, too!!!!
peter
Pygmalion
27 Oct 2005, 04:41 PM
Park East would be permitted as the land for the mixed use development with the stadium located on private land adjacent to the PE.
PE and surrounding areas continue to be considered along with other options. Recent developments have increased my optimism.
peter
Hope springs eternal, it's great to hear that a Park East scenario is still in the mix. Don't know how many Milwaukee folk have seen the latest Milwaukee Magazine and it's "Condo Crazy" cover story but I personally guarantee that every one of those folks moving downtown will go to soccer games. And yes, even though Zak and I argued about it before, even those folks in the condos in the Third Ward - they're all going. Soccer is the cosmopolitan sport after all.
Instead of sitting on our hands we can all now play the questionably productive "Find the private land adjacent to the PE" game. Just pick a spot on the map: http://www.mkedcd.org/parkeast/pdfs/ParkEastAerial.pdf
Some previous posters may have an unfair advantage in this game but their guesses are of course welcomed, probably encouraged.