Dissent Question

[dtingley10]

I'm a high school player, not a ref (yet), but I've been wondering how much dissent you guys take from players at the high school level until they get carded. Also, is saying a swear word in frustration an automatic card for you?

[Ref Flunkie]

I'm a high school player, not a ref (yet), but I've been wondering how much dissent you guys take from players at the high school level until they get carded. Also, is saying a swear word in frustration an automatic card for you?

Well when I do older teenagers, I tend not to take too much crap from them if they are copping an attitude. I have no problem discussing calls with players if they are curtious in their approach (even if they are frustrated). Also, there is some amount of "feeling" that goes into dissent decisions. If I feel that the player is bringing my authority into question with other players by their actions, then I act very quickly and nip it in the bud with either a harsh word or immediate caution. If it is standard whining, I will usually let them vent once or twice before addressing it.

As for your second question, I will not caution a player for swearing unless it is loud enough for everyone on the field to hear. If a player simply says "#*$#((" in their "inside voice", then I will let it go. I understand that they are simply upset with themselves and are just venting.

[gosellit]

I'm a high school player, not a ref (yet), but I've been wondering how much dissent you guys take from players at the high school level until they get carded.

When asked this question at an advanced clinic, a famous national instructor answered, "When it pi$$es you off."

Basically what I am saying is that it depends on the ref, what the player is saying, how he is saying it and how long he keeps it up. There is no solid answer to your question. My advise to you as a player is play hard and accept the calls from the referee. :) LOL

Also, is saying a swear word in frustration an automatic card for you?

Not necessarily. If all the world hears it and little children have to ask Mommy what did that big boy say, then yes.

[Ref Flunkie]

Not necessarily. If all the world hears it and little children have to ask Mommy what did that big boy say, then yes.

When ears start to bleed!!! :)

[billf]

I'm generally not taking too much dissent from high school aged players when I percieve it as copping an attitude and it seems I can work with the player. I think too many referees do take it though and I'm don't enjoy being a guinea pig for one's exploration of testing authority. That said, there are ways to manage dissent without cards first. In my epxerience, many high school aged players don't respond as well to man management. In an amateur game I'll generally laugh off, ignore, or give back the sorts of comments, when it makes sense, I'd caution at the u-15 to u-17.

I don't referee high school games at all so I can't comment on local NFHS interpretations but I've heard the standard is pretty strict.

[DerbyRam54]

In HS games we are instructed every season to take a pretty hard line on offensive, insulting or abusive language. Anything that can be construed as taunting an opponent will get you sent from the field pretty quickly, and it is now a "hard" red in that your team will not be permitted to substitute for you.
As far as dissent towards the officials goes, as previous posters have said, that will vary with the official. If your dissent towards me includes an obscenity, you will be leaving the game. If it's along the lines of "you've got to be joking" I'll probably tell you that in addition to jokes I also do card tricks.
Referees have a lot of discretion, some will be more tolerant than others but I think we all have a point where enough is enough and we decide the game will be better without certain behaviour.

[gosellit]

It doesn't always work but...

Before the match, I try to watch warm-ups. Most of time, you can identify the "franchise player", who the trouble maker(s) are, and most important who can be your buddy. It is not always the captain. I talked to my buddy as much as needed during the match, building report. If a teamate of his starts to give me grief, I can call on my buddy to calm him down.

Works more times than not and saves a lot of players from getting cautions.

[Wreave]

If it's along the lines of "you've got to be joking" I'll probably tell you that in addition to jokes I also do card tricks.


That is awesome, mind if I plagiarize it?

[pensmom4]

... If it's along the lines of "you've got to be joking" I'll probably tell you that in addition to jokes I also do card tricks.

Love it! :p
Lee

[gildarkevin]

I tend to have a very high tolerance for what other might card as dissent. That is to say, I'll almost always ignore the first claim of "that was a handball, ref", no matter how strenous because, as a player, I recognize that it's almost instinctive for a player of HS age or above to make such a claim on a close play. I also recognize that letting a player vent here or there can be more useful in preventing further

That's not to say that any of you are instantly going to be throwing cards for such questions -- that would be ridiculous. But it is the first example of where I begin to draw the line in that I often don't even hear these claims or respond unless I think it clearly needs a sharp "no" or "let's get on with it" to make sure that play keeps rolling. I often even let a question after that pass, if respectful. Where I begin to think "card" is if these questions or utterances start coming from the same person over and over and over or when they reach the level of the "3 Ps" as explained during a clinic I attended last year that was led by Sandra Hunt. One of the easiest ways to identify "dissent" in my mind:

Is it PERSONAL?
Is it PUBLIC?
Is it intended to PROVOKE?

[refontherun]

If it's along the lines of "you've got to be joking" I'll probably tell you that in addition to jokes I also do card tricks.


Quote from another thread: "I also do magic. I have a card in my pocket that can make you disappear"

[dtingley10]

Thanks everybody. My coach is trying to get me to tone it down a little bit because sometimes I get a little heated.
Quote from another thread: "I also do magic. I have a card in my pocket that can make you disappear"
That's great.