Have u recovered yet?

[RuudVanLineker]

this is not to antagonise or gloat, but i live in england, and personally i still havent recovered from the 1990 loss on penalties, or 1996, i still cant watch clips of these tournaments. but have the german people recoveed form the 5 1 loss from 2001? i just want to hear the oprinions of germans and geman football followers on this as i havent heard any before

[F96]

Of course we have as it didn't have any consequences in the end.

I don't know if you believe me but to me it was never that big of a deal but 'Im onw of those who feel that Holland is a bigger rival than England anyway.

[Jaison]

this is not to antagonise or gloat, but i live in england, and personally i still havent recovered from the 1990 loss on penalties, or 1996, i still cant watch clips of these tournaments. but have the german people recoveed form the 5 1 loss from 2001? i just want to hear the oprinions of germans and geman football followers on this as i havent heard any before

The 5-1 game turned out to be irrelevant. We still qualified for the WC, and we made the finals.

[European16]

exactly^^

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Haha, i remember watching that game with all the Germans here. Boy, that was a funny night :)

[Doc_Aeppler]

how can you posibbly compare that stupid 5-1 to a final or semifinal or just any important match?! i cant believe that the english are still talking about that so much, I mean have they never accomplished anything else in football? well, at second thought, maybe they havent.... :D

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Their accomplishment was the right to boast about inventing it :)

[DanielHSV]

geez, that was a tough night, I admit, but that's about it. Just a stupid qualification match with no harm as we reached the world cup anyway (and did better than the english again :D). How could you possibly compare that with a loss in the semis ?
Oh, and who scored the last goal in Wembley ;)?

[Alex_K]

Not fully, my left foot still hurts a bit. But thanks for asking.

Wait, this thread is about soccer as well?

[The Old Lady Hertha]

I was shocked by the result
But our run in WC2002 was a good recovery.

How was Seaman btw? :D

[96Squig]

I don't even care for national games... our national team is so boring and bad and still we win :-P
makes a good reason for getting drunk though.
Wait. I don't need reasons for that. nevermind.

[sting-ray]

I don't even care for national games... our national team is so boring and bad and still we win :-P
makes a good reason for getting drunk though.
Wait. I don't need reasons for that. nevermind.


100% agree

[arthur d]

this is not to antagonise or gloat, but i live in england, and personally i still havent recovered from the 1990 loss on penalties, or 1996, i still cant watch clips of these tournaments. but have the german people recoveed form the 5 1 loss from 2001? i just want to hear the oprinions of germans and geman football followers on this as i havent heard any before

Well yeah of course I am still bitter. I still don't buy any Romanian products.

[SirManchester]

Well yeah of course I am still bitter. I still don't buy any Romanian products.

Don't worry, you're not missing much nowadays, and I'm Romanian.

[RuudVanLineker]

im sorry, but results dont lie, i dont think that germany has recovered since then. the reason is, that until 2001, germany could feild teams with less talent than opponents, but the belief that they could still compete, and this strength got them through many matches when they faced superior talented opponnts, as you can see by the numbers below, this belief has simply not been there since 2001, and u havent managed to beat a single decent team in this time. the world cup run wsa never a mark of quality, any other county in world football would dream of a run that gets u to a final without facing a single quality opponent, only to be beaten the first time you play one. i am not here to slag u off, i have a lot of respect for germna football, but i do feel that the current malaise in german football can be traced back to one event, and this is due to a mental effect of this result.

705 1/ 9/2001 München England 1-5 World Cup Qualifying
706 6/10/2001 Gelsenkirchen Finland 0-0 World Cup Qualifying
707 10/11/2001 Kyiv, Ukr Ukraine 1-1 World Cup Qualifying
708 14/11/2001 Dortmund Ukraine 4-1 World Cup Qualifying
709 13/ 2/2002 Kaiserslautern Israel 7-1
710 27/ 3/2002 Rostock United States 4-2
711 17/ 4/2002 Stuttgart Argentina 0-1
712 9/ 5/2002 Freiburg im Breisg. Kuwait 7-0
713 14/ 5/2002 Cardiff, Wal Wales 0-1
714 18/ 5/2002 Leverkusen Austria 6-2
715 1/ 6/2002 Sapporo, Jpn Saudi Arabia 8-0 World Cup
716 5/ 6/2002 Ibaraki, Jpn Rep. of Ireland 1-1 World Cup
717 11/ 6/2002 Shizuoka, Jpn Cameroon 2-0 World Cup
718 15/ 6/2002 Seogwipo, Kor Paraguay 1-0 World Cup
719 21/ 6/2002 Ulsan, Kor United States 1-0 World Cup
720 25/ 6/2002 Seoul, Kor South Korea 1-0 World Cup
721 30/ 6/2002 Yokohama, Jpn Brazil 0-2 World Cup
722 21/ 8/2002 Sofia, Bul Bulgaria 2-2
723 7/ 9/2002 Kaunas, Lit Lithuania 2-0 Euro Cup Qualifying
724 11/10/2002 Sarajevo, Bos Bosnia-Herzeg. 1-1
725 16/10/2002 Hannover Faroe Islands 2-1 Euro Cup Qualifying
726 20/11/2002 Gelsenkirchen Netherlands 1-3
727 12/ 2/2003 P.de Mallorca, Esp Spain 1-3
728 29/ 3/2003 Nürnberg Lithuania 1-1 Euro Cup Qualifying
729 30/ 4/2003 Bremen Serbia & M'negro 1-0
730 1/ 6/2003 Wolfsburg Canada 4-1
731 7/ 6/2003 Glasgow,Sco Scotland 1-1 Euro Cup Qualifying
732 11/ 6/2003 Tórshavn, Far Faroe Islands 2-0 Euro Cup Qualifying
733 20/ 8/2003 Stuttgart Italy 0-1
734 6/ 9/2003 Reykjavík, Isl Iceland 0-0 Euro Cup Qualifying
735 10/ 9/2003 Dortmund Scotland 2-1 Euro Cup Qualifying
736 11/10/2003 Hamburg Iceland 3-0 Euro Cup Qualifying
737 15/11/2003 Gelsenkirchen France 0-3
738 18/ 2/2004 Split, Cro Croatia 2-1
739 31/ 3/2004 Köln Belgium 3-0
740 28/ 4/2004 Bucuresti, Rom Romania 1-5
741 27/ 5/2004 Freiburg im Breisg. Malta 7-0
742 2/ 6/2004 Basel, Sui Switzerland 2-0
743 6/ 6/2004 Kaiserslautern Hungary 0-2
744 15/ 6/2004 Porto, Por Netherlands 1-1 Euro Cup
745 19/ 6/2004 Porto, Por Latvia 0-0 Euro Cup
746 23/ 6/2004 Lisboa, Por Czech Republic 1-2 Euro Cup
747 18/ 8/2004 Wien, Aut Austria 3-1
748 8/ 9/2004 Berlin Brazil 1-1
749 9/10/2004 Tehran, Irn Iran 2-0
750 17/11/2004 Leipzig Cameroon 3-0
751 16/12/2004 Yokohama, Jpn Japan 3-0
752 19/12/2004 Busan, Kor South Korea 1-3
753 21/12/2004 Bangkok, Tha Thailand 5-1
754 9/ 2/2005 Düsseldorf Argentina 2-2
755 26/ 3/2005 Celje, Slo Slovenia 1-0
756 4/ 6/2005 Belfast, Nir Northern Ireland 4-1
757 8/ 6/2005 Mönchengladbach Russia 2-2
758 15/ 6/2005 Frankfurt am Main Australia 4-3 Confederations Cup
759 18/ 6/2005 Köln Tunisia 3-0 Confederations Cup
760 21/ 6/2005 Nürnberg Argentina 2-2 Confederations Cup
761 25/ 6/2005 Nürnberg Brazil 2-3 Confederations Cup
762 29/ 6/2005 Leipzig Mexico 4-3 Confederations Cup


when u get the the tight matches against talented teams, you need belief, and as u can see, whenever germany has faced any sort of decent opponent they have been beaten, sometimes even flattenned, and they have not actually won a game against a good opponent since the last game at the old wembley, and we were awful that day. anyway, in closing, i think you guys should really assess where germany is in the world of football, comments like 'we just turn up and win' are from the long distant past, and even then that statement would have been bull, as the old german teams worked like spartans, broken limbs and all, at present you would be lucky to get a player sticking it out with just a broken toe nail

[F96]

Thank you for entlightening us. Of course you are right!

[Jaison]

Ahhh. Ruud..

Captain Obvious to the rescue!

Of course, ve're Huns, so ve vill invaide a country, eat some bratwurst, und ze vorld vill be ours!

[BayernWake]

Thank you for entlightening us. Of course you are right!

I'm detecting "eine Prise Sarkasmus." :)

[96Squig]

Ruud, so what you saying is, that we play bad because you English beat us at that grey night in Munich?

That's a bright idea! Why didn't I think of that earlier? Ze vorld could be so easy

:-/

[Jaison]

Ruud, so what you saying is, that we play bad because you English beat us at that grey night in Munich?

That's a bright idea! Why didn't I think of that earlier? Ze vorld could be so easy

:-/

Haf you made ze preperations for ze full-scale assault on ze Tommies yet? Ze Rooster crows at midnight!!

Scheisse! I haf sed too much! :D