What Freddy Adu could have done in U17 world cup ???

[krayzie]

He surely would have scored more goals than the tournament in 2003 ...

[JohnR]

He surely would have scored more goals than the tournament in 2003 ...

Nothing is ever surely in soccer. Freddy's 2005 World Youth Championship matches weren't any better than his 2003 matches. Yes, he was a superior player 2 years later, but in any single tournament, you don't know what will happen.

[dsp87260]

Nothing is ever surely in soccer. Freddy's 2005 World Youth Championship matches weren't any better than his 2003 matches. Yes, he was a superior player 2 years later, but in any single tournament, you don't know what will happen.

But in 2005 he was a 16 year old playing against 20 year olds....
(In 2003 he was a 14 yr old who played against 16/17 year olds and then later against 20 year olds.)

If he had played in this year's U-17 tourney, he most certainly would have had easier match-ups. Every time I've seen him play against kids his own age, he schools them.....and that hasn't been very often, because he's almost always playing against someone who's at least a couple of years older.

[superdave]

But in 2005 he was a 16 year old playing against 20 year olds....
(In 2003 he was a 14 yr old who played against 16/17 year olds and then later against 20 year olds.)
He was talking about the 2003 U-20s, aka the WYC.

[dsp87260]

He was talking about the 2003 U-20s, aka the WYC.

Look at the thread title....

Freddy played in both the U-17 and U-20 WYC in 2003. The poster I quoted said that Freddy didn't get as many goals this year as in 2003...I was pointing out that if Freddy could have played in this year's U-17 WYC (as the thread title suggests) he would certainly have scored more goals (I actually said he would have had easier match-ups).

Freddy is always playing older players....if he played a team his own age, he would .... I can't even describe how good he would look.

[JohnR]

The poster I quoted said that Freddy didn't get as many goals this year as in 2003.

No, I said that he scored the same (none). The first time, he was a frigging 14 year old kid. The second time, he was a 16 year old in his second professional season against adults.

Freddy is always playing older players....if he played a team his own age, he would .... I can't even describe how good he would look.

No you can't, because you haven't seen it happen. You're guessing. Of course Freddy would be excellent. But to say, "He was X good 2 years ago, so he'll be XX good now and score even more goals," well sorry but you don't know that.

[dsp87260]

No, I said that he scored the same (none). The first time, he was a frigging 14 year old kid. The second time, he was a 16 year old in his second professional season against adults.



No you can't, because you haven't seen it happen. You're guessing. Of course Freddy would be excellent. But to say, "He was X good 2 years ago, so he'll be XX good now and score even more goals," well sorry but you don't know that.

Actually, you didn't say that either...
Nothing is ever surely in soccer. Freddy's 2005 World Youth Championship matches weren't any better than his 2003 matches. Yes, he was a superior player 2 years later, but in any single tournament, you don't know what will happen.

You do realize this is a thread about the U-17 tournament and not the U-20 right?

I don't remember how many goals Freddy scored in the U-17 in 2003, but that's what's relevant here....not what he did in the U-20 tourney (speaking of goals I mean).

My point is that Freddy would obviously have been better against kids his own age in the U-17 WYC this year as opposed to how he played in the U-20 WYC this year (or in 2003 in both tourneys).

[YankHibee]

blah. he would have been good. blah.

[bigtimebuck4]

orgive my ignorance, but why didn't he participate? Would it not have been worth it to him or what?

[dsp87260]

orgive my ignorance, but why didn't he participate? Would it not have been worth it to him or what?

I asked the same question and was told that because he played in the U-20 WYC already (both in 2003 and this year) he couldn't play in a U-17 again....or maybe it was just that you can only play in one U-17 WYC and he did that in 2003.

[FirstStar]

I asked the same question and was told that because he played in the U-20 WYC already (both in 2003 and this year) he couldn't play in a U-17 again....or maybe it was just that you can only play in one U-17 WYC and he did that in 2003.

FIFA only allows you one U-17 WC in your career. Freddy burned his off two years ago.

Doesn't this thread belong in the YNT forum?

[AndyMead]

Doesn't this thread belong in the YNT forum?

Yes. Either there or the DC forum. :p

[ursula]

Yes. Either there or the DC forum. :p


Definitely NOT the Dallas forum!

[superdave]

Look at the thread title....
No, John was comparing Freddy's 2003 and 2005 WYCs. Read it again.

[dsp87260]

No, John was comparing Freddy's 2003 and 2005 WYCs. Read it again.

This thread is to discuss how Freddy would have done in this year's U-17 WYC.

If he was comparing this year's U-20 to the 2003 U-20 then he missed the whole point.

(I assumed he was erroneously comparing this year's U-20 to 2003's U-17 or else like I said, he missed the point.)

[Tmagic77]

This thread is to discuss how Freddy would have done in this year's U-17 WYC.

If he was comparing this year's U-20 to the 2003 U-20 then he missed the whole point.

(I assumed he was erroneously comparing this year's U-20 to 2003's U-17 or else like I said, he missed the point.)

Wow you are dense. He was making a comparison. You implied that he would have done better in the u-17s a second time because he was older and a better player. JohnR pointed out that isn't necessarily true because he played twice in age limited competition (sound familiar?) and didn't look better the second time around. Hope that helps although I doubt it will.

[dsp87260]

Wow you are dense. He was making a comparison. You implied that he would have done better in the u-17s a second time because he was older and a better player. JohnR pointed out that isn't necessarily true because he played twice in age limited competition (sound familiar?) and didn't look better the second time around. Hope that helps although I doubt it will.

Thanks for the insult :rolleyes: .

He played twice in the U-20s only once in the U-17s....He obviously would have done better in this year's U-17s because all of the players would have been his own age. If he can be average to good (not great) playing above his age level, IMO he would be a star playing against kids his own age.

JohnR (I believe) was making the point that because he wasn't great in 2003 (in either tournament....good, but not great) and wasn't great in this year's U-20 then we can't say he would have been great in this year's U-17. I merely pointed out that all those times he was good, but not great, were against older players.

Edit....

Let me also add that the confusion here was because the thread-starter stated that he thought Freddy would have scored more goals in this year's U-17s than he did in the 2003 U-17 WYC. Then JohnR jumped in with his comments about this year's 2005 (U-20) WYC and 2003 (I'm not sure whether or not he knew Freddy played in two WYCs in 2003).....clearly he was confusing the U-17 WYC and U-20 WYC or else comparing apples to oranges.

[Tmagic77]

Thanks for the insult :rolleyes: .

He played twice in the U-20s only once in the U-17s....He obviously would have done better in this year's U-17s because all of the players would have been his own age. If he can be average to good (not great) playing above his age level, IMO he would be a star playing against kids his own age.

JohnR (I believe) was making the point that because he wasn't great in 2003 (in either tournament....good, but not great) and wasn't great in this year's U-20 then we can't say he would have been great in this year's U-17. I merely pointed out that all those times he was good, but not great, were against older players.

Edit....

Let me also add that the confusion here was because the thread-starter stated that he thought Freddy would have scored more goals in this year's U-17s than he did in the 2003 U-17 WYC. Then JohnR jumped in with his comments about this year's 2005 (U-20) WYC and 2003 (I'm not sure whether or not he knew Freddy played in two WYCs in 2003).....clearly he was confusing the U-17 WYC and U-20 WYC or else comparing apples to oranges.

I can assure you he knew and was confusing nothing, you were the confused one.

[dsp87260]

I can assure you he knew and was confusing nothing, you were the confused one.

I'm not sure how you know that, but assuming he didn't, then he was comparing apples to oranges (like I already pointed out).

Freddy would, without a doubt, have played better in this year's U-17 WYC than the U-17 WYC in 2003 because he would have been playing against kids his own age.

That's the argument to debate in this thread.

The threadstarter thinks that he would have scored more goals this year than the other.....I equate that to playing better. I won't try to predict how many goals he would have scored, but I agree he would have been the star of the tournament.

JohnR posts that nothing is ever sure in soccer and you can't ever know what will happen in a tournament.....which is true. But, inbetween saying that he makes invalid comparisons.

I'm not gonna' say that we definately would have won the tournament....but I'm certain Freddy would have been closer to being the star he's always been hyped to be.

Again....If he can be average to good against much older competition, he should be great against players his own age.

[FanOfFutbol]

Of course this entire thread is completly meaningless due to FIFA rules that would not have allowed Adu to be in a second U17 WC, or a second U20 for that matter.
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Players who have already taken part in a final competition of the FIFA
U-17 World Championship or the FIFA World Youth Championship
will not be authorised to compete again in another FIFA U-17 World
Championship, even if still eligible from the point of view of age. Players
who have only taken part in the preliminary competition of a FIFA
U-17 World Championship or a FIFA World Youth Championship are
exempt from this restriction.
===================
This exact same language exists for all age limited WC competitions except the Olymipics.

This is one of the reasons that it is a bad idea for younger players to play up if they are not going to get full playing time. Of course Adu did get, mostly, full playing time.