CNN article on Robinho & Diego

[SoccerScout]

Nice article, though I was worried when I read this :

"In many ways, it¹s only natural that they should move to one of the big European leagues. If anything, it will give them more exposure and allow more fans around the world to enjoy their talents.
"

Yeah natural my A$$. Brazilian teams nuture these kids from age 8 and then before the FANS are allowed to enjoy there bright young stars they are $wept away to the PSG's and Real Madrid's of the world. Yeah thats natural, yeah thats fun. At least let these teams enjoy a few years with them before raping the land. Even worse PSG got Ronaldinho Gaucho for NOTHING after Gremio spoon fed him for 15 years.

He makes up for the comment though.


"http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/gabriele_marcotti/news/2002/12/20/marcotti_insider/

[The Double]

I think it is natural though. A competitor always strives to be the best, so why not do it on the world's biggest stage?

[Luther_Gabriel]

"I think it is natural though. A competitor always strives to be the best, so why not do it on the world's biggest stage?"


I agree.

[Benedict XVI]

of course, if all the great Brazilian players stayed in Brazil, the league would have the best talent in the world.

of course, if they didn't sell all their players overseas, there would only be about 4 viable clubs in the first division and everyone else would go bankrupt.

[SoccerScout]

>>of course, if they didn't sell all their players overseas, there would only be about 4 viable clubs in the first division and everyone else would go bankrupt.
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Problem with that is that with the Pele Law if clubs dont sell players before their contract ends the player is FREE to walk anywhere. Thats what happened to Ronaldinho Gaucho and Gremio lost 30 or 40 Million dollars on that.

[Ombak]

And that's a good thing. Because clubs spend very little to develop young players and if they could charge other clubs to buy someone who was out of contract, they'd effectively be slave-owners. Which is what they were until Bosman and the Lei Pelé changed things in Europe and Brazil respectively.

Deal with reality SoccerScout. Brazil is not the best place for these kids for their whole career. For now and maybe a couple more years, yes, let them mature (although it appears that Diego plays as composed as anyone in the world). Then let them play where they will have even tougher competition.

The financial trouble Brazilian clubs are in has nothing to do with this anyways.

[Benedict XVI]

Originally posted by Ombak
The financial trouble Brazilian clubs are in has nothing to do with this anyways. Definitely agree, it's corruption and amateurish business practices that keep the Brasilian league down, not European clubs.

Ombak, you know of any places I can buy Brazilian stuff in the DC area? I really want some Guarana.

[Ombak]

Check your pms Vicar.

SoccerScout, you can't honestly believe it's ok for clubs to charge ransoms for players once their contracts are up can you? And you can't honestly think that Robinho and Diego, and some point in their career, will not benefit from moving to a good team/league in Europe can you?

[SoccerScout]

>>SoccerScout, you can't honestly believe it's ok for clubs to charge ransoms for players once their contracts are up can you?>>>

OF COURSE I CAN! Why should Real and Roma's of the World get star players for NOTHING? They are gonna make lots of $$$ off of them. The clubs that spents 10 years bringing up these player deserve the BIG fees paid.

IT IS NOT A RANSOM. It is a Business deal. Hot property costs alot of money. I cant believe that you would think its ok to spend 10-12 years developing a player to then see him walk away at age 19 to some Rich Euro club so that the Euro club can get richer at the expense of the Brazilian club. THAT IS TOTAL AND UTTER NONSENSE!


>And you can't honestly think that Robinho and Diego, and some point in their career, will not benefit from moving to a good team/league in Europe can you?
>>>

Maybe 1 day, but not at the age of 17. First of all, Brazilian clubs shouldnt be a farm system to Euro. Sure they should go at one point and take some of the Euro cash, absolutley, but the Brazilian clubs should hold on to them for a few years, let their fans ENJOY their own stars.

Back in the 70's and early 80's most Brazilian stars were at home. Only in 1980 did Europe start buying up the stars. In 80 , Roma started the trend by buying Falcao from Inter Porto Alegre for I think it was $2 Million, a record at the time. As an Inter fan I was so dissapointed, especially after Inter had won the Brasileiro Undefeated in 79. But by 80 Falcao had at least played at Inter as a Pro for 6 years and won 3 Brazilian Titles. Soon after other Brazilian stars followed, Zico to Udinese, Batista to Lazio, Socrates to Fiorentina (I believe).

[Ombak]

I agree they shouldn't go yet, I believe I stated as much at some point above.

However, it works both ways as far as buying out of contract players. If Madrid or Ajax have a young star, anyone can buy him for 0 when his contract is up. Including Brazilian clubs. Too bad they can't offer competitive wages.

In case you never noticed, Arsenal has been heavily criticized for signing young French players as soon as possible. Can't remember if they were free transfers or not.

So, you think it's ok for a club to say a player cannot decide how to pursue their career? The club can say "well, we'll set this player's price ridiculously high so that either he won't be bought or we'll be able to buy 2-3 guys to replace him" That's essentially slavery.

Remember, clubs do NOT spend lots to develop these players. And they certainly don't spend money to buy them at 12 or 13 (except in rare cases).

[tpmazembe]

Originally posted by Ombak

So, you think it's ok for a club to say a player cannot decide how to pursue their career? The club can say "well, we'll set this player's price ridiculously high so that either he won't be bought or we'll be able to buy 2-3 guys to replace him" That's essentially slavery.

Remember, clubs do NOT spend lots to develop these players. And they certainly don't spend money to buy them at 12 or 13 (except in rare cases).

[tpmazembe]

Originally posted by Ombak

So, you think it's ok for a club to say a player cannot decide how to pursue their career? The club can say "well, we'll set this player's price ridiculously high so that either he won't be bought or we'll be able to buy 2-3 guys to replace him" That's essentially slavery.

Remember, clubs do NOT spend lots to develop these players. And they certainly don't spend money to buy them at 12 or 13 (except in rare cases).

Agree with you (excuse the previous post mistake!!!).

These clubs do not have a god given right to make >1000% returns on these players. I'm sure Santos hasn't spent anywhere close to $1-2 million on Diego's development, but are going to want to sell him for over $20million.

Additionally, the return should be realized within their domestic context -- that is, you develop your players to make money in your league, not as a means of survival by selling to foreign leagues. If the player gives you five good years of service (that's my opinion, it could be 3yrs or 7 yrs, who knows) he should be free to go wherever he chooses.

None of us would want our current employers to keep us from moving on to other companies because of their investment in us. They need to realize that investement while we are working for them.

[Ombak]

Besides, if these guys play well next year and take the Libertadores or another major championship, the demand is going to be so high for them that they'll probably be sold before their 5 year contracts are up (they're 1 year in now). So It's unlikely Santos would make nothing off of these guys.

[deejay]

I think the sanest thing for them would be to wait out the next four years of that contract and at least get a World Cup under their belt.

It's not like they're the worst paid 17 year olds in history.

[The Double]

Imagine if all the talent the Ajax system has produced stayed together all these years?

[usscouse]

Originally posted by The Double
Imagine if all the talent the Ajax system has produced stayed together all these years? Funny, I was thinking that myself a while ago. How good would the clockwork orange be now.

Hard to blame the “Kids” though. These are tough decisions in these hard times. They have 10 years “maybe” to make their lives wages. They’ve probably seen poor and rich sports figures and know where they would like to be. As they get more mature they may get involved with their formative club or Country.

[ROM2]

Originally posted by Vicar

Definitely agree, it's corruption and amateurish business practices that keep the Brasilian league down, not European clubs.


Importing Brazillian talent abroad is big business for The CBF and club Chairmen, so thye've a vested interest in keeping the wages low in their domestic league and encouraging players to move to Europe for ackers and prestige (media hype).