Ask the House 2: the Man can't keep me down

[wu-tang beez]

link (http://www.galegroup.com/free_resources/bhm/bio/douglass_f.htm)
Douglass quickly became a nationally recognized figure among abolitionists. In 1845 he bravely published his Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, which related his experiences as a slave, revealed his fugitive status and further exposed him to the danger of reenslavement. In the same year he went to England and Ireland, where he remained until 1847, speaking on slavery and women's right and ultimately raising sufficient funds to purchase his freedom. required reading from freshman comp..in researching his bio, I found out he, Dubois & MLK were Zeta Alpa Zeta. I don't think I recall seeing them step or remember if they had an active chapter.

[Auriaprottu]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
[B... I found out he, Dubois & MLK were Zeta Alpa Zeta. I don't think I recall seeing them step or remember if they had an active chapter. [/B]

:D I can't imagine any of these guys stepping, even as young men. But I guess everyone has to have some fun at some point in time.

[cjaldrich]

Originally posted by MyHouse!
Agreed but then what do we hear?

"You people, always wanting something for nothing."

"You people are always complaining. Racism is a thing of the past."

"Does EVERYTHING have to be about race with you people?"

"That's reverse racism"

and so on...

Would you expect the muderer or rapist to roll over and confess when his victim cried out? Of course not. He'd kick and scream, protesting his innocence to the end.

Likewise, even the passive racist might deny the crime as well in order to protect his view of the world. It is easier (for those in power) to deny the existence of injustice than to confront it.

[wu-tang beez]

Originally posted by Auriaprottu
:D I can't imagine any of these guys stepping, even as young men. But I guess everyone has to have some fun at some point in time.

Now that's a visual: Stomp! Stomp! Stomp!
"Zetas"
"What?"
"When I say Alpha you say punk"
"Alpha!"
"Punk"
"Alpha..Punk!...Alhpa...Punk!...Alpha, Alpha, Alpha"
"Punk! Punk! Punk!"
MLK twirling a cane in a white 3-piece tuxedo w/ matching boots w/ taps. A line of girls in the back going, "Meow!" :D
Too bad historically black schools aren't really flossy the movies School Days or Drumline.

I'd pay money for that.

[MyHouse!]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
link (http://www.galegroup.com/free_resources/bhm/bio/douglass_f.htm)
Douglass quickly became a nationally recognized figure among abolitionists. In 1845 he bravely published his Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, which related his experiences as a slave, revealed his fugitive status and further exposed him to the danger of reenslavement. In the same year he went to England and Ireland, where he remained until 1847, speaking on slavery and women's right and ultimately raising sufficient funds to purchase his freedom. required reading from freshman comp..in researching his bio, I found out he, Dubois & MLK were Zeta Alpa Zeta. I don't think I recall seeing them step or remember if they had an active chapter.

MLK was a an Alpha...They are the ones raising money to fund his statute on the Tidal.

[Auriaprottu]

Originally posted by MyHouse!
MLK was a an Alpha...They are the ones raising money to fund his statute on the Tidal.

I don't think he pledged undergrad. Seems like I heard he joined later in life. No matter- a member is a member.

Wu-tang, where is Zeta Alpha Zeta? Is this a major-specific fraternity? The name is new to me.

[Auriaprottu]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
Too bad historically black schools aren't really flossy the movies School Days or Drumline.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Not trying to confront, but the way you wrote this leaves me confused. What's "flossy"? I've seen School Days, but not Drumline.

[wu-tang beez]

I never heard of the Zetas either aside for Zeta Phi Beta & I thought MLK was an Alpha Man but the sight I saw listed him and several other prominent types as Zetas.

By 'flossy' I mean glamorized, which is anything but the case. Ask House about Fam U's campus or Howard's. Historical Black Colleges are about the experience of unity & identity & much less about aesthetics.

[Auriaprottu]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
I never heard of the Zetas either aside for Zeta Phi Beta & I thought MLK was an Alpha Man but the sight I saw listed him and several other prominent types as Zetas.

Zeta Aplha Zeta may be some business, service or civic organization. House is right, tho- MLK was an Alpha.

By 'flossy' I mean glamorized, which is anything but the case. Ask House about

I'm a graduate of Alabama A&M University, an HBCU in North Alabama. My parents also went there for undergrad school, and recently retired from teaching there. I grew up on that campus. I also spent a couple years at Morehouse. My folks got their doctorates at American U in the early-mid 70s, and taught part-time at Howard while they were doing so. I've been to Howard many times, but only once since sixth grade. I've probably visited 80% of the Black colleges south of Kentucky/Virginia and east of the Mississippi, including FAMU, all of the SWAC schools, and most of the SIAC schools.

You're right about the accomodations- it's all about the experience.

[thepremierleague]

Do you really have black only colleges in America?

That would be seen as racist here, and it's not allowed. Religous schools are the only type you can have.

I don't really like the idea of one race schools, it's much better to mix in my opinion.

[Auriaprottu]

Originally posted by thepremierleague
Do you really have black only colleges in America?

That would be seen as racist here, and it's not allowed. Religous schools are the only type you can have.

I don't really like the idea of one race schools, it's much better to mix in my opinion.

TPL- long time no read.

Here's the deal on Black colleges: They remain from the times when Black and White students were not allowed to attend school together. Most were established in the postbellum South for the purpose of educating the newly freed slaves.

The name "Black School" is somewhat misleading, unless you know their history.

As far as segregaton goes, it was the white schools that refused to admit Black students, not the other way around. White people have always been welcome at Black schools, and they make up a reasonable percentage of the student body as well as the faculty at several Black schools. They exist for the same purpose as any other university, and they simply have the added benefit of providing Black students an environment free of some of the racist practices that can be found at some -not all, by any stretch- White schools.

Basically, think of a university where most of the sudents are Black. There are some cultural differences, probably not as many as there once were, but with you not being American, and never having been here, it would take more explaining than I can afford time for. I'll post more info if you need it.

[wu-tang beez]

Originally posted by thepremierleague
Do you really have black only colleges in America?

That would be seen as racist here, and it's not allowed. Religous schools are the only type you can have.

Hitorically Black Universities were started because State institutions were segregated to deny black students a chance of furthering their education. I am a 2nd generation Tiger (http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Classroom/7295/index1.html) but graduated from North Texas. They were a necessity in the past but now offer a chance to those that may not wish to attend 'white' schools or otherwise lack the opportunity to attend them for other reasons. At one time GSU was 2nd to only Notre Dame for the amt of professional athletes in the NFL. Our Alumni is about as prominent as any school in America. Nearly all the schools have at least some form of diversity. For example, one of my dorm mates was anglo, there were some hispanics & our kicker was Isreali. The institutions are far from the racist bastions like Bob Jones University or VMI. There's one confederate frat, Kappa Alpha (founded by Robert E. Lee) that holds old south parties where they have only black servants. All of the members dress in confederate civil war unis and their sisterhood dress as southern bells.
Schools here are mostly integrated but some prefer to go other institutions for their own reasons.

[Auriaprottu]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
I am a 2nd generation Tiger (http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Classroom/7295/index1.html)

I hate Grambling. :D
Seriously, Doug's getting the job done again, and we're all proud of his NFL career and that 2nd quarter in the Super Bowl, but these recent SWAC titles are coming at A&M's expense.

[bThe institutions are far from the racist bastions like Bob Jones University or VMI. There's one confederate frat, Kappa Alpha (founded by Robert E. Lee) that holds old south parties where they have only black servants. All of the members dress in confederate civil war unis and their sisterhood dress as southern bells.
[/B]

Thanks for posting this. I'd forgotten to mention the whole segregated Greek thing. There was a frat (not KA) at Auburn that held a party a couple years ago where folks came in blackface, girls with basketballs under their shirts (to imitate pregnant women), Omega jerseys and gorilla masks,the whole thing. About ten years ago, the first Black Homecoming Queen at the University (sic) of Alabama was introduced on the field at halftime. The atmosphere made a Lazio match look tolerant by comparison. Catcalls, racial slurs, whistles, you name it- and then the mostly-Black team took the field wearing those damn crimson jerseys. I've got the utmost respect for 'Bama's football trdition, but if you can start there, you can go to Notre Dame or USC and play.

BTW, I read a mid-80s interview with Robert E. Lee IV or V in the Atanta Journal-Constitution. KA at Washington & Lee, I think (he claimed he was then president of the chapter there) actually had two Black members. FWIW, Lee came off as a thoroughly decent fellow, but I'd have passed on joining his frat.

[thepremierleague]

I see now why Auria and Wu-Tang.

Black people were not allowed into white colleges, so had to create their own.

Did you know overseas Arabs, Africans, Europeans etc have been coming to Oxford, Cambridge and other English schools for god knows when, at least 50-100 years.

I guess they had to be pretty rich though. There also weren't great numbers coming in that there would be in American schools.

[Auriaprottu]

Originally posted by thepremierleague

Did you know overseas Arabs, Africans, Europeans etc have been coming to Oxford, Cambridge and other English schools for god knows when, at least 50-100 years.



Yeah, but those schools have been around for what, 300-500 years?

Actually, Alabama A&M has quite an international population itself, and has for almost forty years. That's saying a lot for a school that was founded in 1876. Africans, Asians, West Indians, even a few South Americans and a handful of Europeans- people from almost everywhere. Something like 15% of the student body is foreign. It helped us to win a couple of national soccer championships in the late 70s -one of only two "Black" schools to do so (Howard is the other)- before the NCAA saw us dominating, and limited scholarships to foreign students so they could win (they called it "giving American kids a chance", but the meaning was clear).

[wu-tang beez]

Originally posted by Auriaprottu
I hate Grambling. :D
Seriously, Doug's getting the job done again, and we're all proud of his NFL career and that 2nd quarter in the Super Bowl, but these recent SWAC titles are coming at A&M's expense.

Don't hate, participate.
GS, GS, GS, GSU! I thought you knew!

Alabama A&M put up a good fight for our homecoming this yr. Their band even "walked the tiger" on our home field. I turned my back and booed, but it was hilarious. Texas Southern stopped accepting our invitations & we already pound Prairie View at the Al Lipscomb Classic.
Sucks though, Coach Williams has declined an offer to go to a big school for the past 3yrs straight. It's only a matter of time b4 he's gone. Coach Rob hung on too long and let the team decline, all the while Doug Williams did nothing but take Howard to the playoffs & coordinate Navy to a winning season.
I never heard about the Auburn incident but KA was kicked off the UNT campus for racially derogatory statements that had been found printed in a notebook.

It's not exactly true that blacks founded these institutions, EPL, since GSU was started from the State of Louisiana and PV I think was created as an Agriculteral & Mechanical off shoot of Texas A&M.

[wu-tang beez]

More Unsung Heroes:

Mary McCleod Bethune (http://www.floridamemory.com/OnlineClassroom/MaryBethune/Bethune_bio.cfm)
Aside from helping contributing to the founding of GSU in 1902, Bethune was active in the fight against racism and served under several Presidents as a member of the unofficial African American "brain trust." In 1936 she was appointed by President Roosevelt as the director of the National Youth Administration's Division of Negro Affairs.

Bethune-Cookman College was founded (http://www.cookman.edu/) was founded in 1904.
take virtual tour (http://prev.edsouth.org/eddefault/campus_tour/bethune/index.html)

[Aimer, Northend Diva]

house...little input on wacko jacko and his interview. I'll put money on it that if you did a dna test at least one of those kids is NOT from his sperm.

[thepremierleague]

It's very complicated.

If he has a genetic condition like Vitiligo which I've even heard his father say he has, whereby he used to be covered in white patches, then it might be possible they are his kids as it is a genetic disorder.

At least 2 of the kids have a white mother right, so mixed plus Vitiligo could theoretically make them look white. The baby however has a 'black' mother according to him which is very odd.

I'm mixed from a black Nigerian dad, but I look very light. If I have kids with a white woman they will almost definitely look white. Michael jackson is far from a pure black african like a lot of African Americans, so who knows?

What is true however is that even 2 black parents can have a white child IF there has been white blood in the familiy previously, but it is very very rare. A white woman and black man who's got white blood somewhere in his family can definitely have white looking children.


Personally I would bet on Michael being a freak, both mentally and physically. One or maybe all those kids probably aren't his.

[wu-tang beez]

Only in America can a poor black kid from Gary, Indiana grow up to be a rich white woman. What's up a/ that german freak runing out in the middle of the caravan to show Mike his dope moves?

I've seen African Americans w/ vitiligo & work w/ a guy(caucasian) w/ it. They're randomly pie bald(splotchy). He did tell me that the chemical peel process will essentially make their skin passe' blanche alla Imitation of Life. MJ was right about the tanning & implant african envy thing. But it was not relevant to the question. I think in mike's own twisted neverland world, where Liz Taylor(his lone adult companion) resides as Queen, he truly believes he's had only 2 nose operations. I think he means no harm but the rest of us recognize what looks like emotional repression and arrested development. If Joe Jackson just beat him, I'd be surprised. It's a pity.

Upon closer examination, his skin looks uniform down to the subdermal layers. We could even see his veins when he hugged that fan. That kid wears more base than Tammy Fay Baker & Mary Kay combined. You could even see the difference in color right below his hair line. I don't know who said,"you know Mike, I think pig snouts are dead sexy." How many AAs have clefts in their chins?

Bra Man got queasy seeing that Hispanic kid pushing up on mike while they held hands. What parents would knowingly subject their kids to that? Unless specific allegations are raised and charges are brought, what he's doing though immoral is legal.

Why didn't I watch CSI? I want my 2hrs back pls.