Ecuador 2001/2002 vs Ecuador 2005/2006

[Pingudo]

Which team is better? What does everyone think?

[ecuajhony]

i think this team is better than any other


may be bcause now we have where to choose decent players

[Ladic]

Dificil, porque veo que aun tenemos las mismas falencias.

Espinoza y Ambrossi no son mucho mejores que Porozo y Guerron, nuestro punto flaco.

The midfiel is almost the same, except for Ayovi for Obregon.

Up front, Kaviedes was a dissapointment in the 2002 WC, dunno who will they pair up with Tin, but so far, I think it could be Lara, has been the best out of the rest.

[ecuafutbolfreak]

we haven't been able to replace Aguinaga, which is a shame.

However, I think we improved in most other areas, such as defence with the emergence of Espinosa. Let's face it, he is alot better then Poroso, sorry Barcelona fans, it's true.
Ambrossi/Reasco offer a hell of alot more then Guerron ever did. Another Barcelona player bites the dust, but it is true. all he ever did was free kicks and long passes were excellent, but... that's all folks! doesn't run up and down and getin dangerous areas like Ambrossi, and Reasco would run faster then him on one leg!
DLC and Hurtado are still going strong.

the midfield, with the exception of Aguinaga, have been replaced with a player of equal or better qualities. such is the case with Valencia over Chala. Actually, Chala was decent, then he stopped scoring goals, and stopped doing everything. he was a pretty worthless player and I am sure that I am not alone when I say THANK GOD HE IS NOT ON OUR TEAM! Obregon was pretty good as the holding mid, but now we got Ayovi and Tenorio partnership. Back in the day, Obregon did the job on his own! hmm...

Mendez was part of that team, and he just improved 10 fold. awesome guy.

and we got alot more options now, then the likes of Ascencio, Burbano, Blandon, etc...

fowards... this is tough, we certainly improved here, but it doesn't always show. Salas, Lara, Borja, Mina... we haven't seen enough of Borja and Mina, but from what we seen, they look like they can provide alot for Ecuador.
Tin is Tin, no more needed to say.
Kaviedes... well, we all know what he can do, off and on the field... let's just hope he settles his problems off so he can help us on it!

as for goal keepers... Cevallos was the hands of Ecuador... hard to replace. but at that time, if something were to happen to Cevallos, then we were screwed since the next choice was... IBARRA!!! AAHHHHHHHHH!!!

now, we got Mora, who I think will surpass Cevalitos, we got Villafuerte, another solid young keeper... but what the heck happened to Lanza?? this guy was supposed to be our next big one...
and no one is better then Viteri at stopping penalties.

[Ladic]

Espinoza better than Porozo? TOday I would say yes, Porozo is almost worthless. But If you have to compare Espinoza of 2005 with Porozo of 2002, and I would say they are about equally matched.

Guerron and Ambrossi? yes, ambrossi is slightly better due to the fact that he can attack more and has better passing, but defensive wise? they are both about equally crap. Of course, there is people like Reascos, that should be the ones using that spot.

IMHO, the defense has not improved one bit over the one in 2002, and you have to take into account that Hurtado and De La Cruz were in their prime back then, under 30 years of age.
Today De la Cruz is like 33 and Hurtado 31, it's just obvious that their phisique wont be the same. Still they are the best in their spots by a long shot.

[kaviedes_freak]

Espinoza better than Porozo? TOday I would say yes, Porozo is almost worthless. But If you have to compare Espinoza of 2005 with Porozo of 2002, and I would say they are about equally matched.

Guerron and Ambrossi? yes, ambrossi is slightly better due to the fact that he can attack more and has better passing, but defensive wise? they are both about equally crap. Of course, there is people like Reascos, that should be the ones using that spot.

IMHO, the defense has not improved one bit over the one in 2002, and you have to take into account that Hurtado and De La Cruz were in their prime back then, under 30 years of age.
Today De la Cruz is like 33 and Hurtado 31, it's just obvious that their phisique wont be the same. Still they are the best in their spots by a long shot.

Defensive wise Ambrossi crap? he completely nullified Recoba from getting too near on his side of the pitch. lets not hate liga players becuase u are a BSC fan. I think overall our team inproved a lot. we cant just look at the line up but also our bench. it has a lot more depth than in 2002. we had the likes of Burbano, Ascencio, Cuchillo, Ibarra, Chala, Guerron. now we got players like Salas, Lara, Mina, Valencia, Mora, Reasco, Ambrossi, and Edwin Tenorio in a more permanent role on the winning 11.
How can you say hurtado and DLC physiques are not the same? they are still in their prime i'd say for until atleast next year. They are still going strong and not any worse than 2002 of themselves.
Kaviedes was only a dissapointment because of lack of playing time. We needed him against Uruguay. ihope he will play on a team (emelec or LDU :D )
and he will showcase his real self. at his best, he is better than any of tin's current strike partners.

[Ladic]

Defensive wise Ambrossi crap? he completely nullified Recoba from getting too near on his side of the pitch. lets not hate liga players becuase u are a BSC fan. I think overall our team inproved a lot. we cant just look at the line up but also our bench. it has a lot more depth than in 2002. we had the likes of Burbano, Ascencio, Cuchillo, Ibarra, Chala, Guerron. now we got players like Salas, Lara, Mina, Valencia, Mora, Reasco, Ambrossi, and Edwin Tenorio in a more permanent role on the winning 11.
How can you say hurtado and DLC physiques are not the same? they are still in their prime i'd say for until atleast next year. They are still going strong and not any worse than 2002 of themselves.
Kaviedes was only a dissapointment because of lack of playing time. We needed him against Uruguay. ihope he will play on a team (emelec or LDU :D )
and he will showcase his real self. at his best, he is better than any of tin's current strike partners.

Well it would of been really sad if between 4 defenders they couldn't had nullified their only attacking weapon, while the rest of their team was hanging from the goal post. :rolleyes:
You just need to watch the games and see were the crosses are coming from. About 70% of them are coming from Ambrossi side, because he likes to run foward, but is very lazy to run back down.

Yes, I am Liga Hater because I like Reascos (a Liga Player mind you), over Ambrossi? yeah that made sense. :rolleyes:

You have not seen many aston villa games, have you? Yes, De Le Cruz is still the best, but he is not at the levl he was in the last qualifiers.

[Ladic]

You just have to compare this Ecuador from the past Ecuador teams.

Is the Goal better guarded today than ever before? not really, we had good keepers like Morales or Cevallos in the past.

Is our defense better today than before? I would say no, back then we had Capurro, Quinonez, Noriega, Tenorio, River, Hurtado, De La Cruz, etc all good defenders.

Is the midfield today bettern than before? again, I would say not necesarily, back then we had Aguinaga in his Prime, Carabali, Blandon, Gavica, Muñoz, etc


Thos 3 positions have never been the problem, Ecuador has had solid teams, and played amazing games, remember when we use to say alot "Jugamos como Nunca, Perdimos como Siempre" ?, remember that? do you know why that was? because we never had a reliable striker, someone that would score when we really needed it.

That man is Tin man, Agustin Delgado, he is the best thing to happen to the National Team, in like ever? (Note, Spencer only played around 6 games for Ecuador, that is why I'm only counting national team, Spencer is undoubtly the best Ecuador Player in History).
But Delgado is simple the player how has made the biggest Impact in the National team.

Remember at the start of this Qualifiers, when Tin wasnt playing due to injuries? we were doing pretty bad, Carlos Tenorio wasn't living up to expectations, it took having Delgado back by the sixth, to win back to back games to put us back into the race.

That is why I worry, once he is gone, will anyone be able to be a worthy succesor? Only time will tell.

[betto]

Tin will be hard to be replaced!
Do you guys remember who discovered him?
Dussan Draskovic (spell?) did!
this is one thing that we are going to be always thankful to him for! he discovered a lot of players!
If I'm not mistaken, he is the one who gave DLC his present position!
I also want to point out that Tin has never been a technical player!
Remember from his begining! in Barcelona! he learned a lot and improved tremendously in "juego aereo" and ball control! Also I remember that back in those days, in every "mano a mano" he would try to kill the goalie, instead of having a cold head and finish the goal w/ "colocasion".
What I'm trying to say is that, maybe we do have future Tin-stature forwards in these new guys, we just have to be sure that they grow and improve just like Tin did!

[loraz]

The way I see it, Cristian Lara is the only one who might be able to fill in Tin’s shoes. I mean he is plain and simple, a fantastic, talented player.
1.) He can kick with both feet and still maintain accuracy
2.) He has great headers for a man his size.
3.) His passes could not be better in the present NT status
4.) He has great stamina
5.) He is extremely fast
6.) He is young and alert
7.) He finalizes


Ladic made a good point about players who don’t finish off and although I have great hope for Borja, tonights game with Chile should be a deciding factor on whether or not we could rely on such a player.

Valencia I think we all can agree is the wildcard prodigy. We all know he will lead us to glory along side Cristian Lara.

Ambrossi and Guagua should start playing together for the WC. Guagua’s brute force and Ambrossi intellect is like coffee and cream - The Ying Yang clan.

Reasco is another strong player who I know will make Ecuador history.

The thing now is that all should work out heavily this year. NO slacking off – and most important, have DLC, Mendez, and Tin give some of their own wisdom and technique to these young players.

We should be fine to confront anyone team.

[betto]

I agree Loraz!
These upcoming players need to learn from the most experienced ones!

[Pingudo]

Just for comparison:

WCQ 2002

team P W D L GF:GA PTS
1. Argentina 18 13 4 1 42:15 - 43
2. Ecuador 18 9 4 5 23:20 - 31
3. Brazil 18 9 3 6 31:17 - 30
4. Paraguay 18 9 3 6 29:23 - 30
5. Uruguay 18 7 6 5 19:13 - 27

WCQ 2006

team P W D L GF:GA PTS
1. Brazil 18 9 7 2 35:17 - 34
2. Argentina 18 10 4 4 29:17 - 34
3. Ecuador 18 8 4 6 23:19 - 28
4. Paraguay 18 8 4 6 23:23 - 28
5. Uruguay 18 6 7 5 23:28 - 25

[betto]

that's good to compare the tables side by side!
However, you know that futbol makes no sense out of numbers!
Last qual, Brazil was playing like crap! and did not call some of their top players in most of the games, just the final ones if I remember correctly!
Also IMHO, this qual was more competitive! with Vene. getting some good results and, Uru, Col and Chile going head to head! the only ones who let me down were Peru and Bolivia.