France vs Cyprus (Oct. 12th) - WC Qualifying [R]

[imnotreyes]

Why was Zidane hitting the free kicks/corners with his left foot?

Just because he can?

Any reports on Zidane...I was watching and trying to justify that he was left footed, but I kept telling myself he was right footed. Then I thought some type of video problem occured. I swear I was so confused I had to laugh. What a class player. If he scored on his left from a freekick. :) I would have walked off I if was Cyprus and he put in a left footed free kick.

[IrishGary]

Ya i know the loss of Roy Keane is going to be imense for the game in Ireland but we will survive, we didnt deserve to qualify and if we had scored last night it would have been as a result of a lucky break.Duff was a big loss last night the best player from an irish point of view in the qualifying campaign was shay given i think he will be the captain of the future. i knew israel would be like this though i know thats only one guy sulking and talking rubbish but they are all like that. his comments about the origins of players are stupid. we are the same, some of our players are english and qualify through their parents. all we can look forward to is the rugby GO ON O DRISCOLL!! :D Good luck next year lads

[Metropolitan]

there's nothing racist about thatIf you've got your facts straight it wouldn't...

zidane born in algeriaZidane is born in Marseille, France. He has grown up at la Castellane, in the northern part of the city. He's only 14 when he's recruited by the AS Cannes to join the training center of that club. And he's only 17 when he scores his first goal in French First Division in 1989... It was against Nantes (with Cannes of course).

henry martiniqueThierry Henry is born in Paris, in a Western suburb called les Ullis. He has grown up in the same suburb. He's been trained at Clairefontaine's FFF training center before being recruited by the AS Monaco. He's also 17 when he startes in First Division... and he has won the World Cup when he was only 20.

viera senegalPatrick Vieira is born in Dakar, Senegal, in the Cape Verdian community. His family moved to Paris when he was 8 years old. He never came back to Senegal untill 2003, nearly 20 years after his departure. Just like Zidane, Patrick Veira joined the AS Cannes at the age of 17, and was already captain of the team at 19.

malouda guyanaFlorent Malouda is born in Cayenne, Guyane. To your own information, that's in France. The European Space Agency is located in Kourou, not far from Cayenne. Malouda's family is French since a longer time that your family is Israeli. Malouda started his professional carreer in 1996 in Chateauroux. He was only 16 then. Gosh, I'm realizing he's born the June 13th, 1980... he's exactly 10 days younger than me !

I'm bloody old... :(
And by the way, according to your criteria, I'm not French since I'm not born in the country.


should i continue??Yeah let's go on !
Raymond Kopa is Polish, Michel Platini is Italian, Youri Djorkaeff is Armenian, Robert Pires is Portuguese, and of course Leon Blum who was the French President in the 30's isn't French, he's a jew ! Will you tell me you agree on that point with the Vichysts who deported him in Germany once France was invaded ?

[sl7vk]

I'm bloody old... :(
And by the way, according to your criteria, I'm not French since I'm not born in the country.


I guess I'm not French either (being born in New York). That EU passport I carry must just be a figment of my imagination.

[Metropolitan]

I guess I'm not French either (being born in New York). That EU passport I carry must just be a figment of my imagination.Same as me... I'm born in Brussels, Belgium, from German grand parents.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they were more "fake French" than "real French" if we believe the criterias used by too many people in this forum... :rolleyes:

[panicfc]

france won't even get passed the first round in the world cup just like last time

french football is getting worse and worse

and i'd like to know how many french players were actually born in france??

israel deserved to be in the world cup just as much as france and israel played much better than france in tel-aviv

Gentlemen,

Maybe I'm missing the calls of "racism" on this, but he asked a question on how many players were actually born in France. That's not racism in my mind, its just a question.

So stop reporting this post. The same question was said about the Dutch with Kluivert, Davids and Seedorf being born in Surinam. Move on.

Now keep the thread clean and get along or we shut it down.

Merci

[Metropolitan]

Gentlemen,

Maybe I'm missing the calls of "racism" on this, but he asked a question on how many players were actually born in France. That's not racism in my mind, its just a question.

So stop reporting this post. The same question was said about the Dutch with Kluivert, Davids and Seedorf being born in Surinam. Move on.

Now keep the thread clean and get along or we shut it down.

MerciExcept that he considered Zidane, Malouda and Henry weren't born in France when they actually are.

Now I simply ask you for which reasons he's been so much misleaded... :rolleyes:

Anyway, I don't believe he's racist. I simply believe he has no clue about what France is and what has made French History. French multiculturalism didn't start in the 90's. It's something real since the 19th century.

[sl7vk]

Gentlemen,

Maybe I'm missing the calls of "racism" on this, but he asked a question on how many players were actually born in France. That's not racism in my mind, its just a question.

So stop reporting this post. The same question was said about the Dutch with Kluivert, Davids and Seedorf being born in Surinam. Move on.

Now keep the thread clean and get along or we shut it down.

Merci

I didn't report it, because I don't do that.....
But he was saying that Guadelope, Guyana, Martinique, etc... are not France. That my friend is racist. The color of their skin does not make them less French.

[guignol]

I didn't report it, because I don't do that.....
But he was saying that Guadelope, Guyana, Martinique, etc... are not France. That my friend is racist. The color of their skin does not make them less French.sl17vk, i think we've already made our point and should let it drop. :cool:

[Metropolitan]

I didn't report it, because I don't do that.....
But he was saying that Guadelope, Guyana, Martinique, etc... are not France.I haven't reported it either. And I wouldn't since I think (and hope) he was simply naive on his post.

If Guadeloupe, Guyane, Martinique and Reunion aren't in France, I simply wonder in which national teams should go the football players from those departments ? Their national football team is the French football team. There's no others.

[Metropolitan]

sl17vk, i think we've already made our point and should let it drop. :cool:You're right. :)


Anyway, I'm glad France is qualified after such a great night as yesterday's. :)
Now my nerves won't be at stakes untill june. :D

By the way, do you know anything about friendlies on our road to the World Cup ? Did the FFF determine the number of games and the teams we'll meet ?

Honnestly speaking, I think those friendlies will certainly be useful as there are still many things to put in place in the natioanl team...

[lefutur]

france won't even get passed the first round in the world cup just like last time

french football is getting worse and worse

and i'd like to know how many french players were actually born in france??

israel deserved to be in the world cup just as much as france and israel played much better than france in tel-aviv

how do you say "sour grapes" in yiddish?

[lefutur]

Congrats guys - enjoy the World Cup. Along with Holland you're my unofficial second team.

very sporting of this guy

[lefutur]

On Vieira being substituted:

From Fox-

"Domenech replaced the ineffective Patrick Vieira with Alou Diarra midway through the first half, and France struggled to find the same fluidity in the second half."

Herald Tribune-

"Vieira, only 29, but looking much older, lasted only 25 minutes before he was taken off. Zidane was like the Zidane of old."

Reuters -

"UPSET VIEIRA

Midfielder Patrick Vieira, who had one of his worst games for France in Switzerland last Saturday, was replaced by Racing Lens's Alou Diarra the middle of the first half.

The Juventus midfielder, visibly upset, stormed down to the changing rooms."




So what's the real deal here?

And what is his future on the team???

[lefutur]

On Thuram retiring:

He says it was just a rumor. He's going to stick it out...

http://www2.sbs.com.au/home/index.php3?id=64221

[Rima067]

On Vieira, the thing that makes me completely not believe he was subbed out for his performance/change anything besides an injury is:

Would Domenech really take out a player in the 25th minute because of his own mistake in selection? Or, even more so, because of a player's ineffectiveness!

no!

[Rima067]

I just came across this from Domenech: "he had real pain, he could not go on anymore but I am no doctor."

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=315703&CPID=21&clid=&lid=11&title=Vieira+set+to+miss+Messina+tie

It seems he may have had a groin injury (pre Cyprus) and he aggravated it.

[Metropolitan]

On Vieira, the thing that makes me completely not believe he was subbed out for his performance/change anything besides an injury is:

Would Domenech really take out a player in the 25th minute because of his own mistake in selection? Or, even more so, because of a player's ineffectiveness!

no!I agree on this. I don't know any teams who wouldn't wait at least the HT to remove a selected player proven as innefficient.

Clearly, the only decent reason to put Vieira out of the pitch was that he couldn't run anymore because of the pain. It's the only realistic scenario. That substitution isn't a choice from Domenech, it came from Vieira.

[lefutur]

I agree with that. Its just strange that so many reports said it was because of performance.

Although coincidentally the first goal didnt come till after Diarra came in to replace him.

[RandyNA74]

Gentlemen,

Maybe I'm missing the calls of "racism" on this, but he asked a question on how many players were actually born in France. That's not racism in my mind, its just a question.

So stop reporting this post. The same question was said about the Dutch with Kluivert, Davids and Seedorf being born in Surinam. Move on.

Now keep the thread clean and get along or we shut it down.

Merci
As much as I am annoyed by that israel-whatever-his-name-is character, I fully agree with panic. Stating that certain Caribbean islands or African nations aren't "France" (in his mind) isn't enough to constitute racism. Personally, I feel that the guy is either ignorant about the fact that said islands are indeed legitimate parts of France (as Hawaii is American as someone pointed out) or is making a geographic argument - however flawed and incredibly ignorant as it may be - that "French" players are only those that come from the Hexagon and Corsica. Racism? It goes a bit deeper than that. I probably didn't explain myself very well...

In any case, many thanks to the regulars in this forum for the class they consistently exhibit. Thanks also to the visitors who display an equal amount of class (especially the Irish :) ).