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Kazuma
06 Dec 2008, 01:45 PM
Yawn. Read everything I have posted.
You're arguing this:
Eto'o scored in a CL final to equalise and has won a CL. Therefore, that must mean he's good. That is flawed logic.
You have argued that his form is good, fair enough. But you're additonally arguing that he scored in a CL final and won a CL means that's he's better than random striker. Again, that's flawed.
That said, Eto'o's a fine striker and has been in decent form. But just because he scores in a CL final and wins it does not a decent premise make.
Eto'o is however somewhat poor in the CL. League form he's been great.
Kazuma
06 Dec 2008, 01:55 PM
Well this is Eto'os 5th season in the CL right now and the past two seasons he's struggled with fitness and injuries. In 06/07 he only played 3 games.
Eto'o when fully fit has proven to score plenty of goals in the league and CL.
His record in 04/05 and 05/06 in the CL when he was fully fit was 10 goals and 4 assists in 18 matches in total.
In totals? Van Nistelrooy scored eight (IIRC) in 04/05 and two in 05/06.
10 in 14 matches as a starter for Van Nistelrooy. Eto'o according to you scored 10 in 18.
Kazuma
06 Dec 2008, 01:57 PM
In totals? Van Nistelrooy scored eight (IIRC) in 04/05 and two in 05/06.
10 in 15 matches for Van Nistelrooy. Eto'o according to you scored 10 in 18.
That should be 15, won't let me edit.
Dr. Know
06 Dec 2008, 02:01 PM
whats your point? he's only got 14 goals. Teso was right(again, which is really weird for me to say), but the recordbooks or historians don't care about his injuries.
Well yeah he's only got 14 goals but he can't really score when he's not playing can he? Even this current CL he's only 2 full matches.
I don't care about the record books. The point is that Eto'o when fit and not injured has been proficient in the CL.
You're arguing this:
Eto'o scored in a CL final to equalise and has won a CL. Therefore, that must mean he's good. That is flawed logic.
Well it's not like he was a passenger. Even if is overall goal scoring record in the CL is not spectacular mainly for the reasons I have already pointed out he was still an important figure in winning that trophy.
You have argued that his form is good, fair enough. But you're additonally arguing that he scored in a CL final and won a CL means that's he's better than random striker. Again, that's flawed.
The main reason I've always held him to be superior has been his league scoring record and his form. That's just a little bonus he has over his peers. It doesn't make him better than the other strikers, but it does mean that he's performed well in Europe which was my point.
Dr. Know
06 Dec 2008, 02:02 PM
In totals? Van Nistelrooy scored eight (IIRC) in 04/05 and two in 05/06.
10 in 14 matches as a starter for Van Nistelrooy. Eto'o according to you scored 10 in 18.
What's your point? have I claimed Eto'o is better than Ruud in Europe?
iCEMANGSCCC
06 Dec 2008, 02:04 PM
Well yeah he's only got 14 goals but he can't really score when he's not playing can he? Even this current CL he's only 2 full matches.
I don't care about the record books. The point is that Eto'o when fit and not injured has been proficient in the CL.
he's got 14 goals in 5 CL seasons. he's not proficient. even when uninjured, RvN had a better goal ratio apparently.
Kazuma
06 Dec 2008, 02:09 PM
What's your point? have I claimed Eto'o is better than Ruud in Europe?
No. But I call better play on Ruud's part those seasons than Eto'o.
Dr. Know
06 Dec 2008, 02:09 PM
he's got 14 goals in 5 CL seasons. he's not proficient. even when uninjured, RvN had a better goal ratio apparently.
Way to over simplify it. Yeah he has 14 goals in 5 seasons but this current season he's only played 2 full matches and in 06/07 he only played 3.
Dr. Know
06 Dec 2008, 02:13 PM
No. But I call better play on Ruud's part those seasons than Eto'o.
Yes... and?
Kazuma
06 Dec 2008, 02:25 PM
Yes... and?
You posted that Eto'o was good in Europe with ten goals in 18 CL games for two seasons.
RVN's record in those two seasons was the same goal rate but in less amount of games. Point is, Eto'o isn't that good in Europe despite your claims to the contrary.
Dr. Know
06 Dec 2008, 02:33 PM
You posted that Eto'o was good in Europe with ten goals in 18 CL games for two seasons.
RVN's record in those two seasons was the same goal rate but in less amount of games. Point is, Eto'o isn't that good in Europe despite your claims to the contrary.
So you don't think 10 goals in 18 matches is good?
So just because A is better than B it immediately makes B bad? Great logic there.
Cristiano Ronaldo scored 31 goals in 33 matches last season, Torres scored 24 in the same amount of matches. Does that mean that Torres isn't good? No, it just means that Ronaldo was better.
iCEMANGSCCC
06 Dec 2008, 02:48 PM
he has 14 goals in 5 seasons
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revelationx
06 Dec 2008, 04:25 PM
Eto'o is one of the top strikers around. People may prefer other strikers but Eto'o is up there with the very best.
Teso Dos Bichos
06 Dec 2008, 04:34 PM
Huh? Read the entire argument and get back to me. Trying to downplay Eto'o because of his CL record is ridiculous when you consider that he's scored plenty when fit and that he played a crucial role in actually winning it. Not one of the current crop of "best strikers in the world now" can claim that. Not only that but his league scoring record over the past 5 seasons has been superior than that of his peers.
His total scoring record over this season and the preceding five full seasons is only marginally better than that of Berbatov.
He also got Zidane red carded :D
Matrix is a living legend.
Teso Dos Bichos
06 Dec 2008, 04:34 PM
Eto'o is one of the top strikers around. People may prefer other strikers but Eto'o is up there with the very best.
Aside from in the CL... ;)
Perú FC
06 Dec 2008, 06:11 PM
Aside from in the CL... ;)
Actually, including the Champions League according the numbers:
Samuel Eto'o
Champions League 2004/2005 - 4 goals in 593 minutes
Champions League 2005/2006 - 6 goals in 980 minutes
Champions League 2006/2007 - 1 goal in 112 minutes
Champions League 2007/2008 - 1 goal in 509 minutes
Champions League 2008/2009 - 1 goal in 163 minutes
13 goals in 2357 minutes... so 13 goals in 26 matches, 50% effective by match, great numbers to the Cameroonian. I can only count 13 goals, if he has 14 better to his statistics.
Omideyi
06 Dec 2008, 08:58 PM
Is that GMT? ;)
nope, I'm out in Jo'burg at the minute. 2 hours ahead of GMT I believe
Omideyi
06 Dec 2008, 09:05 PM
3 or 4 pages of unnecessary argument. so far, all the Eto'o nay-sayers seem to be suggesting strikers like Ibrahimovic are superior to Eto'o. there's really not much I can say to such people. sometimes, it's just cool to be "different", no matter how ridiculous "different" is
phil80
06 Dec 2008, 09:45 PM
if you think there is an obvious difference between etoo and ibra then you obviously have not been watching ibra play. They are both top strikers that are hard to differentiate at the moment. As i said earlier, imo ibra is the more talented player and has a better touch on the ball, but etoo is more efficient and direct, so it depends what style of striker the team is looking for.
Teso Dos Bichos
06 Dec 2008, 11:55 PM
Actually, including the Champions League according the numbers:
Samuel Eto'o
Champions League 2004/2005 - 4 goals in 593 minutes
Champions League 2005/2006 - 6 goals in 980 minutes
Champions League 2006/2007 - 1 goal in 112 minutes
Champions League 2007/2008 - 1 goal in 509 minutes
Champions League 2008/2009 - 1 goal in 163 minutes
13 goals in 2357 minutes... so 13 goals in 26 matches, 50% effective by match, great numbers to the Cameroonian. I can only count 13 goals, if he has 14 better to his statistics.
Regardless of what anyone might say in his defense the fundamental point is that Eto'o has only scored 14 Champions League goals in total. It is a poor figure for one of the so-called best strikers around. The only way he can rectify the situation is by improving his record.
Had you read the thread then you would have known to include his appearances from his Mallorca days when they featured but were ultimately knocked out of the first group stage in 01/02. That adds another 386 minutes to his record with a solitary goal against Schalke. He would have played every minute but he was sent off in the second Schalke game after 26 minutes for diving. Mallorca subsequently lost 4-0 at home and Eto'o missed the second match against Arsenal which proved decisive as Mallorca went out on goal difference having finished on equal points with them with one win each.
Speaking of minutes do you have a source for the ones you posted. I ask because some of them do not agree with the official UEFA and Barcelona sites. I would also like to know whether you made a distinction between qualifying and the tournament itself.
90, 90, 90, 26, 90