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Carlo Mazzone
01 Dec 2008, 11:37 AM
Vidic has carried Ferdinand all season, my friends that r United fans say that and they are season ticket holders at Old Trafford. Vidic saved him against Arsenal doing a job for two players all game, I saw it myself, and he couldn't many other times when Ferdinand's "cocked up" this year as they tell me in their slang. As for Terry he's not fit to carry Carvalho's boots in training session every morning, let alone Vidic. I don't rate either but prefer Rio.

Back to topic. Yes. Him. Same Zlatan. He's a playmaker, not pippo inzaghi playing on the last man. No forward comes near him for vision and technical qualities. I've seen them all play live below and formed an opinion. Again,

1 Ibra
2 Villa
3 Benzema
4 Eto'o
5 Torres

This is my pantheon. Don't hate, participate :D.

Tony Dellbird
01 Dec 2008, 11:55 AM
I don't know how this is possible to do better. Italian clubs have had 25 teams in the European club final, most of any country. 11 winners, also most of any country. An italian club just won the european cup 2 years ago beating the two most succesful clubs in english history in a matter of weeks on the way, and then they went and won the world club championship last season along with supercup. How can you do better than being #1 in the records? This season u mean? In europe Italian clubs are 2-1-1 this season v english. Which is better than 1-1-2 for a record in all mathmatic levels.

English press overrate their talent. U are correct. I don't know why you say Italian press is the same. They call it how it is: Italia is the most succesful european country, 4 stars and we r world cup holders. Senior and junior level. From 1990 to 2004, they won 5 of the 7 U21 tournaments … that is domination. so it’s not a coincidence that the azzurri made the final in 70, 82, 94, and 2006. And the final of Euro 2000. This is a nation that wins and competes to win. The Italian press call it accurately I think. We feel we will win everything we enter, no-one can fault this.

U can't say Lampard and Gerrard best midfielders in world, Terry and Ferdinand best defenders in world, Rooney best forward in world ... then not only fail to win but fail show up at european championships!

Look mate I've only read your top paragraph for a reason. I said the dynamic has shifted and the Serie A is not as good ANYMORE. There's no question that you have the history. Juve used to dominate United in the early 90s, and United were often our best team in Europe back then too.

Although I just peaked at your bottom paragraph and I have never claimed anyone but Ferdinand to be the best in the world at his role. Gerrard and way off, as for Rooney I'd say his top 10 possibly top 5 on his day.

Carlo Mazzone
01 Dec 2008, 12:29 PM
Enough about countries dellci. I'm here to talk about forwards that's why I entered the thread. You have the best now -- an italian manager -- with Capello so there is hope yet for Lions. I can't make you understand the difference between our press/fans with azzurri and yours with england. If you can't see what the world does, that's life. We move on. We feel we can get to the final of everything we enter. For. A. Reason. Peak my middle paragraph or better yet read it in one.

Now please tell me your 5 best strikers in europe tonight as we type. I've put mine, and stand by them. If you think Rooney is anywhere near the top 10 or 5 on best day, you have the right. :eek:

I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know your nominees. Just that you slammed mine :D

Teso Dos Bichos
01 Dec 2008, 12:29 PM
Vidic has carried Ferdinand all season, my friends that r United fans say that and they are season ticket holders at Old Trafford. Vidic saved him against Arsenal doing a job for two players all game, I saw it myself, and he couldn't many other times when Ferdinand's "cocked up" this year as they tell me in their slang. As for Terry he's not fit to carry Carvalho's boots in training session every morning, let alone Vidic. I don't rate either but prefer Rio.

Pity anyone with a brain realises that Ferdinand has been not only our key defender but also one of our very best players. Vidic has been superb but he is no Ferdinand.

Tony Dellbird
01 Dec 2008, 12:39 PM
Enough about countries dellci. I'm here to talk about forwards that's why I entered the thread. You have the best now -- an italian manager -- with Capello so there is hope yet for Lions. I can't make you understand the difference between our press/fans with azzurri and yours with england. If you can't see what the world does, that's life. We move on. We feel we can get to the final of everything we enter. For. A. Reason. Peak my middle paragraph or better yet read it in one.

Now please tell me your 5 best strikers in europe tonight as we type. I've put mine, and stand by them. If you think Rooney is anywhere near the top 10 or 5 on best day, you have the right. :eek:

I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know your nominees. Just that you slammed mine :D

I have nothing more to say on the matter above, it's all clear in black and white so I'll let you get the last say.

Top 5 in no order would be Torres Eto'o Villa Zlatan Anelka right now.

Carlo Mazzone
01 Dec 2008, 12:49 PM
Well, so we agree on most it seems on sts. Order doesn't mean anything in the end. Anelka on fire hard to argue it.

Teso, I've only seen Rio 3-4 times this season (zenit, arsenal, everton and 1nce in europe i think) and he looked like an american mls league player in those games but shows how funny people's views are, even with brains or without. He was unspeakable in those matches.

KumarsS
01 Dec 2008, 01:33 PM
Teso, I've only seen Rio 3-4 times this season (zenit, arsenal, everton and 1nce in europe i think) and he looked like an american mls league player in those games but shows how funny people's views are, even with brains or without. He was unspeakable in those matches.

I'm consistently astounded at how the ignorance of some posters on this board force me to agree with Teso. Dude, there's obviously something very skewed about your perspective if you think Rio Ferdinand looked unspeakable or like an MLS player in any of those games.

Back on topic, I read the various top 5's recently posted and as a fan of both Chelsea and Bayern I have no reservations in stating that I would select Klose over Anelka 10 times out of 10 on current form. For what it's worth, I think he merits inclusion over Benzema and Torres as well.

phil80
01 Dec 2008, 04:00 PM
That looks good to me. I have no idea why anyone would bring Berbatov into this debate. That's just beyond stupid.
If you wouldve read the post you would have a clue. I was listing strikers that are currently better than Henry, Shevchenko...unless you disagree and think those strikers are better than Berbatov?


I would select Klose over Anelka 10 times out of 10 on current form. For what it's worth, I think he merits inclusion over Benzema and Torres as well.
I completely agree about taking klose over Anelka, and personally i think he's just as valuable as a benzema or torres, but torres has had a more impressive year so I would rate him higher currently.

Duck Manson
02 Dec 2008, 01:24 AM
If you wouldve read the post you would have a clue. I was listing strikers that are currently better than Henry, Shevchenko...unless you disagree and think those strikers are better than Berbatov?Loads of people who have put Berbatov in this discussion.

Omideyi
02 Dec 2008, 06:01 AM
I'd just like to say that the best striker in the world right now is Samuel Eto'o, and this shouldn't really even be up for debate

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KumarsS
02 Dec 2008, 08:15 AM
I'd just like to say that the best striker in the world right now is Samuel Eto'o, and this shouldn't really even be up for debate

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Dude, if you're going to do that, you at least need to support your claim with a small essay.

Hendrixforpope
02 Dec 2008, 10:16 AM
Dude, if you're going to do that, you at least need to support your claim with a small essay.

He's an in-form striker for the most in-from club on earth :p

14 goals in 13 matches

erick
02 Dec 2008, 02:06 PM
He's an in-form striker for the most in-from club on earth :p

14 goals in 13 matches


thats a good essay :p

KumarsS
02 Dec 2008, 04:10 PM
He's an in-form striker for the most in-from club on earth :p

14 goals in 13 matches

I think this essay has factual errors...can I have a list of your sources? :D

Hendrixforpope
02 Dec 2008, 05:23 PM
thats a good essay :p

You know what they say...short and sweet ;)

Big Soccer Member
02 Dec 2008, 05:56 PM
Hendrix is right. This thread should really be named, "The best striker in the world whose name isn't Eto'o."

He has always been the best striker in the world since Sheva and Henry have decline, it was just a question of whether he could stay fit and stay sane. He is both of those now and is justifiably the best striker in the world.

Hendrixforpope
02 Dec 2008, 06:02 PM
Hendrix is right. This thread should really be named, "The best striker in the world whose name isn't Eto'o."

He has always been the best striker in the world since Sheva and Henry have decline, it was just a question of whether he could stay fit and stay sane. He is both of those now and is justifiably the best striker in the world.

No matter how much I like Eto'o, that was hilarious :D

Teso Dos Bichos
02 Dec 2008, 06:35 PM
Eto'o needs to do better in Europe.

Hendrixforpope
02 Dec 2008, 06:38 PM
Eto'o needs to do better in Europe.

Messi does Europe ;)

Teso Dos Bichos
02 Dec 2008, 06:41 PM
It is the one major failing of Eto'o thus far, notably in direct comparison to his peers.