Best Striker in the World now

[devioustrevor]

its ridiculous that you use goals in wcq to determine who is the best midfielder

What, so you mean Ali Gerba (who is averaging 2 goals per game in WCQ) shouldn't be looking at apartment rental costs in Madrid or Milan just yet?

[Kyles9]

Who's the top scorer in the WCQ's right now? It's Riquelme despite being a midfielder.

Mind you 2 of his goals were free kicks.

[Perú FC]

How is Cabañas a better plaer than Riquelme? Riquelme led Boca to a Libertadores and a second place finish in the league last year, this year he led them to the semi-finals despite being struck by injuries.

Who's the top scorer in the WCQ's right now? It's Riquelme despite being a midfielder.

Get off it. Riquelme suffered from numerous injuries this season which plagued his play. That doesn't mean that he's suddenly not the best player playing in South America.
That isn't exact. Riquelme has had a more or less regular year until now and hasn't been a clear leader by his performance to Boca Juniors in the Torneo Clausura or Copa Libertadores; players as Sebastián Battaglia, Martín Palermo or Claudio Morel Rodríguez have been more determinant than him for their team.

Riquelme has had as usual good moments and remote geniuses, but his overall performance isn't really too good to put him as the best of the continent right now, I think neither in a Top 5.

The argument of being one of the topscorer of the World Cup Qualifyings in South America is really weak I think, not only because it's impossible determining a level only by goals in a short competition, also because the qualifyings began in october of 2007, about 9 months ago, when he scored two of them against Chile, and scored the other two in november of 2007 against Bolivia. Definitely would be strange to take it as a valid argument if we try to compare the present of the players.

Cabañas is in a great moment right now, he was a figure of the Torneo Clausura in Mexico, the Copa Libertadores and with Paraguay in the recent match against Brazil some weeks ago; I think the difference it's clear between them right now, and that's really the matter.

[Dr. Know]

its ridiculous that you use goals in wcq to determine who is the best midfielder

Cabañas is a striker.

When you get a clue about what you're talking about come back.

Mind you 2 of his goals were free kicks.

That directly helped his team win two games. I didn't know they mean less.

That isn't exact. Riquelme has had a more or less regular year until now and hasn't been a clear leader by his performance to Boca Juniors in the Torneo Clausura or Copa Libertadores; players as Sebastián Battaglia, Martín Palermo or Claudio Morel Rodríguez have been more determinant than him for their team.

Riquelme has had as usual good moments and remote geniuses, but his overall performance isn't really too good to put him as the best of the continent right now, I think neither in a Top 5.

The argument of being one of the topscorer of the World Cup Qualifyings in South America is really weak I think, not only because it's impossible determining a level only by goals in a short competition, also because the qualifyings began in october of 2007, about 9 months ago, when he scored two of them against Chile, and scored the other two in november of 2007 against Bolivia. Definitely would be strange to take it as a valid argument if we try to compare the present of the players.

Cabañas is in a great moment right now, he was a figure of the Torneo Clausura in Mexico, the Copa Libertadores and with Paraguay in the recent match against Brazil some weeks ago; I think the difference it's clear between them right now, and that's really the matter.

Nihat Kahveci was extremely important in helping Villarreal finish second in the league for the first time in their history. He scored 18 goals in La Liga and he also helped his NT get to the semi-finals in the Euro. In terms of performance and overall input this year he was more productive than Lionel Messi who struggled with injuries.

Who's the better player, Nihat or Messi?

Hope you see where I'm getting with this.

[Kyles9]

That directly helped his team win two games. I didn't know they mean less.

They don't mean less. Just anyone can take a free kick, although majority are midfielders, so it counts as another good chance to score. So what I'm trying to get at is that midfielders may not get as many chances to score in a game as strikers do. So free kicks are an opportunity for them to boost their stats.

[rceveda]

do PK's count???

[Kyles9]

do PK's count???

Yes obviously PK's count, I'm just saying they don't get as many chances during a game as a midfielder and they don't have to be playing amazing to score a free-kick or a penalty.

[jcvf90]

best striker in the world, not the americas, not a midfielder, not best goalscorer, best striker.
This discussion is like saying chilavert is the best GK by using the fact he scored alot of goals, that made him better bud didnt determine that he was the best gk.

[Tony Dellbird]

best striker in the world, not the americas, not a midfielder, not best goalscorer, best striker.
This discussion is like saying chilavert is the best GK by using the fact he scored alot of goals, that made him better bud didnt determine that he was the best gk.

You have way too much common sense get out! We're about stats not sense!

[Perú FC]

Nihat Kahveci was extremely important in helping Villarreal finish second in the league for the first time in their history. He scored 18 goals in La Liga and he also helped his NT get to the semi-finals in the Euro. In terms of performance and overall input this year he was more productive than Lionel Messi who struggled with injuries.
Who's the better player, Nihat or Messi?
Hope you see where I'm getting with this.
I believe you're confusing two different concepts, who is in a best moment as a player and who is the best player could have different answers and neither of them being wrong.

You can compare about the recent moment putting their overall resources in, and in spite of Nihat had have a better semester than Messi, the difference between them about their own resources could give you perfectly the answer of Messi is still better and Nihat has had a better mid year until now.

Riquelme is still better by his profile about Cabañas, but if you try to compare about the last semester, the difference between them is clear and the difference between their own resources by his own positions isn't too much as the comparison of Messi with Nihat.

A good example could be compare Henry with Torres, taking account that Henry has a better profile than the Spanish and still plays in a competitive team, but if anyone ask who is better (even not saying now), the answer would be clearly Torres, and that's the reason he and Toni are usually mentioned as the best these last months.

[phil80]

What, so you mean Ali Gerba (who is averaging 2 goals per game in WCQ) shouldn't be looking at apartment rental costs in Madrid or Milan just yet?
not just yet ;)
That isn't exact. Riquelme has had a more or less regular year until now and hasn't been a clear leader by his performance to Boca Juniors in the Torneo Clausura or Copa Libertadores; players as Sebastián Battaglia, Martín Palermo or Claudio Morel Rodríguez have been more determinant than him for their team.

The argument of being one of the topscorer of the World Cup Qualifyings in South America is really weak I think, not only because it's impossible determining a level only by goals in a short competition, also because the qualifyings began in october of 2007, about 9 months ago, when he scored two of them against Chile, and scored the other two in november of 2007 against Bolivia. Definitely would be strange to take it as a valid argument if we try to compare the present of the players.

Cabañas is in a great moment right now, he was a figure of the Torneo Clausura in Mexico, the Copa Libertadores and with Paraguay in the recent match against Brazil some weeks ago; I think the difference it's clear between them right now, and that's really the matter.
Good points


Who's the better player, Nihat or Messi?

So Riquelme has been putting Messi-like performances for boca? Peru rightfully explained that Riquelme has not been the clear leader (and this applies for the national team as well in their recent games), so your comparison is useless.

[phil80]

A good example could be compare Henry with Torres.
or more appropriately Lampard vs Torres

[hammer-head24]

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[Perú FC]

or more appropriately Lampard vs Torres
Yes, would be a good example also :).

[Dr. Know]

I believe you're confusing two different concepts, who is in a best moment as a player and who is the best player could have different answers and neither of them being wrong.

And if you noticed the post I answered it was in response to a person who claimed that Cabañas was the best player in the Americas.

If he would have said Cabañas has had the best 08 than anyone in the Americas I would have probably agreed.

A good example could be compare Henry with Torres, taking account that Henry has a better profile than the Spanish and still plays in a competitive team, but if anyone ask who is better (even not saying now), the answer would be clearly Torres, and that's the reason he and Toni are usually mentioned as the best these last months.

Well the last months isn't enough imo. I think at least a year whould be taken into consideration.

Toni gets mentioned because he's been incredible for a while now including his Serie A leading season with Fiorentina.

Henry has clearly underperformed for Barca and prior to that he was injured at Arsenal. The margin between Torres and Henry is clearly larger than the margin between Riquelme and Cabañas especially when you consider that less than a year ago Riquelme was kiling in the Copa America(killing is probably an understatement since it's been a while since a player dominated that tournament like Riquelme did), followed by great performances in the WCQ's, directly followed by great performances again for Boca.

He was plagued by injuries on and off for a lot of this season yet still helped Boca reach the semi's(as far as Cabañas got with America) with some key performances.

Cabañas is a great player but he's not better than Riquelme.

[Dr. Know]

So Riquelme has been putting Messi-like performances for boca? Peru rightfully explained that Riquelme has not been the clear leader (and this applies for the national team as well in their recent games), so your comparison is useless.

Why are you even posting in this argument? You've already demonstrated that you don't even have a clue about the players mentioned.

The comparison is completely valid.

[Dr. Know]

ARiquelme was kiling in the Copa America (killing is probably an understatement since it's been a while since a player dominated that tournament like Riquelme did)

Discard this part I was referring to the Copa Libertadores.

[phil80]

Why are you even posting in this argument? You've already demonstrated that you don't even have a clue about the players mentioned.

The comparison is completely valid.
Laughable coming from someone as clueless as yourself. Peru mentioned riquelme may not even be the best midfielder right now and you reply with 'he has the most goals in wcq'. Your ridiculous fanboyism has derailed this thread into a discussion about your man-crush when the thread topic is about the best Striker

[Caturro]

And this means what exactly? Riquelme got nominated for World Player of the Year in 2007. The way he lead Boca to the Libertadores was far superior to anything Cabañas did in 2007.

It means what it's supposed to mean: the South American futbol press considered Cabañas to be a better player than Riquelme throughout 2007. This is what I stated because that's the consensus. Now whether you agree with it or not, it's your problem.


How is Cabañas a better plaer than Riquelme? Riquelme led Boca to a Libertadores and a second place finish in the league last year, this year he led them to the semi-finals despite being struck by injuries.

Who's the top scorer in the WCQ's right now? It's Riquelme despite being a midfielder.


He did just as good if not better than Riquelme, let's take a look:

-Top-scorer in the Copa Libertadores 2007, with Club América
-Paraguayan Footballer of the Year in 2007
-Lead America to second place in Copa Sudamericana
-South American Footballer of the Year in 2007
-Top-scorer in the Copa Libertadores 2008, with Club América
-Led Club America to semifinals in Copa Libertadores 2008
-Led Paraguay to lead the South American qualifiers

He's been topscorer two years in a row in Copa Libertadores which, to me, takes more skill than to become the top goal scorer in the South American qualifiers. Now if your main argument is that Riquelme won a Libertadores and Cabañas didn't then we enter a whole new argument.

Cabañas has sustained his level while Riquelme had a more than disappointing Libertadores... which brings us to the title of this thread. Best striker in the world now.

Cabañas is a better striker and overall a better player than Riquelme at this point in time. Period.


Get off it. Riquelme suffered from numerous injuries this season which plagued his play. That doesn't mean that he's suddenly not the best player playing in South America.

Don't really think I'm the one who needs to "get off it" :rolleyes: You did two uestionable things:

1) Start talking about Riquelme in a thread about STRIKERS
2) Argue the point about Cabañas being categorized about "South American footballer of the Year" when I'm only stating what the SOUTH AMERICAN SPECIALIZED PRESS decided. You can argue with them... I already stated the points that they might've considered to put him above Riquelme.

If you want to talk about your love for Riquelme, open another thread. Here we are talking about STRIKERS, mm'ok? :D

[phil80]

If you want to talk about your love for Riquelme, open another thread. Here we are talking about STRIKERS, mm'ok? :D
exactly ;)