Best Striker in the World now

[jcvf90]

i want to agree about david but he is not, i wish though.

[5stars]

David Suazo From Honduras!!!hes In Inter De Milan Right Now!!

[rceveda]

lets not be dilussional eh. he is the fastest though with the strongest kick... not the best.

[bioskope]

if anyone watched Bundesliga I'm sure they would agree with me that Luca Toni was the best goalscoring machine in the last season. Hell make that last 3 seasons in spite of 06-07 being only average by his high standards.

[rceveda]

if anyone watched Bundesliga I'm sure they would agree with me that Luca Toni was the best goalscoring machine in the last season. Hell make that last 3 seasons in spite of 06-07 being only average by his high standards.

Yup. better class than Crisitiano. Cristiano kinda' looks like a fluke right now... hope all that fame doesn't go to his head

[phil80]

I SAY IT IS DAVID SUAZO FROM HONDURAS!!!!!!!:cool:
he has the skill, just needs more opportunity to play

[wassim]

ibrahimovitch because he is a complete player

[spurs2rise]

Not the best in the world, but I believe if Berbatov was at one of the Big 4 in the EPL he would surely be one of the best in the EPL.

[antifan]

David Suazo From Honduras!!!hes In Inter De Milan Right Now!!
What about Humberto Suazo? His stats are pretty impressive.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Yup. better class than Crisitiano. Cristiano kinda' looks like a fluke right now... hope all that fame doesn't go to his head

You mean the non-striker who has scored 74 goals over the last two seasons? Fluke? I think not.

[Borriello]

You mean the non-striker who has scored 74 goals over the last two seasons? Fluke? I think not.

Also the same non striker who took double the shots of ANY other premiership player. Around 120 shots, with the #2 coming it at 69 shots.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

His conversion rate was right up there with the best strikers in the league last season. That is despite him being the only one of them who takes set pieces which negatively impacts on his ratio.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Also the same non striker who took double the shots of ANY other premiership player. Around 120 shots, with the #2 coming it at 69 shots.

Plus that is incorrect as Adeybayor hit 104 shots and countless others, including midfielders, hit over your 69 shot claim.

[RedzFan31]

fernando torres

[Twix]

Also the same non striker who took double the shots of ANY other premiership player. Around 120 shots, with the #2 coming it at 69 shots.
Borriello, if you're going to go on your anti C.Ronaldo vendetta, then at least get your facts straight.

Credit to Ianman.

Last Season:

Name Goals Shots Conversion

Ronaldo 31 131 23.66%
Adebayor 24 104 23.08%
Torres 24 96 25.00%
Santa Cruz 19 77 24.68%
Berbatov 15 82 18.29%
Keane 15 75 20.00%
Benjani 15 64 23.44%
Yakubu 15 54 27.78%
Tevez 14 82 17.07%
Carew 13 81 16.05%
Rooney 12 85 14.12%
Gerrard 12 89 13.48%
Defoe 12 50 24.00%
Agbonlahor 11 66 16.67%
Owen 11 47 23.40%
Anelka 11 65 16.92%
Lampard 10 50 20.00%
Ashton 10 73 13.70%
Kitson 10 45 22.22%

Also, don't forget to factor in the fact he's the only one in the top 5 that is the set-piece taker for his club.

[revelationx]

Borriello, if you're going to go on your anti C.Ronaldo vendetta, then at least get your facts straight.

Credit to Ianman.

Last Season:

Name Goals Shots Conversion

Ronaldo 31 131 23.66%
Adebayor 24 104 23.08%
Torres 24 96 25.00%
Santa Cruz 19 77 24.68%
Berbatov 15 82 18.29%
Keane 15 75 20.00%
Benjani 15 64 23.44%
Yakubu 15 54 27.78%
Tevez 14 82 17.07%
Carew 13 81 16.05%
Rooney 12 85 14.12%
Gerrard 12 89 13.48%
Defoe 12 50 24.00%
Agbonlahor 11 66 16.67%
Owen 11 47 23.40%
Anelka 11 65 16.92%
Lampard 10 50 20.00%
Ashton 10 73 13.70%
Kitson 10 45 22.22%

Also, don't forget to factor in the fact he's the only one in the top 5 that is the set-piece taker for his club.

Of those who have scored 15 Prem goals or more last seasaon, only Torres and Santa Cruz took no penalties. C Ronaldo, Adebyaor, Berbatov, Keane, Benjani and Yakubu all took penalties in the Prem last season.

Considering that the average % of penalties being scored is at least 75% and that the average % of total shots in general resulting in a goal is at best 25% (according to above stats), the taking of penalties significantly increases the conversion % of a player.

An example of this is C Ronaldo who took 5 penalties last season in the Prem and scored 4 of them. This is a conversion % of 80%. This also gives him 4 extra Prem goals for only 5 more shots. If he had not taken these pens then his stats would have been 27 goals from 126 shots which means a conversion % of 21.43. This is a reduction of 2.23% in accuracy. Apart from Torres and Santa Cruz, the other players could also have this re-adjustment made to their figures which will result in a drop of conversion rates.

These adjusted figures show that Yakubu, Torres and Santa Cruz were clearly the most clinical finishers in the Prem last season when penalties are removed from the reckoning. C Ronaldo also took a whopping 145 shots the season before last but scored less. The lad likes to shoot.

Looking at the data from previous years, Lampard often takes more than 90 shots on goal during a season (including pens). Lampard was injured for parts of last season and so did not take that many shots. But his total shots from the previous two seasons exceeded 90 shots (incl pens). This would explain why a nominal midfielder would be so prolific. Gerrard playing in support of Torres this season also showed an increase in number of shots taken. The stats show that Eduardo also has a very high conversion rate of 4 goals in 17 shots which is 23.53 %. This might sound like excellent news for Arsenal fans but they should take note that he only had 17 shots in 17 matches!

Sorry for wandering off-topic.;)

[revelationx]

blah blah blah

By the way my figures were obtained from

http://telegraph.jumpmediagroup.com/PlayerStat.aspx?p1id=5127&p2id=3789

[RedzFan31]

when you absolutely need a goal, feed torres

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Sorry for wandering off-topic.;)

Pity you wasted your time. You do realise that there is an awful lot more to set pieces, notably in this context, than simply penalties?

[revelationx]

Pity you wasted your time. You do realise that there is an awful lot more to set pieces, notably in this context, than simply penalties?

Of course. However some set-pieces like goal-kicks and corners are unlikely to be classed as shots. Penalties are all shots (apart from that Arsenal goal a few years back). Free-kicks can be shots or they can be crosses/passes. It is difficult to classify whether direct free-kicks that hit the wall are classified as shots or not.

Teso, do you have stats for number of free-kicks taken by the players in that list? Or how many of these free-kicks were classified as shots? And how many of these free-kicks were shots on target? Or how many free-kicks were scored directly? Or how many free-kicks were deflected in (similarly to Henry deflected in an Italian free-kick during the Euro2008 tourney) for an og? If you have these stats then share them. I don't have these stats and cannot analyse those figures. Penalty data is more easily quantifiable and can be more easily incorporated into the % conversion rate.

My post was in response to the claim about players not being set-piece takers with regards to shots. Obviously if you take penalties then this is taking of set-pieces and is relevent to the question of shots taken. If a player takes a direct free-kick this may lead to a reduction in their % conversion rate if they convert less than 1 in 4, however by taking free-kicks as a cross or killer pass then their assist total should improve.

If you look at the stats Man U scored an extraordinary number of their Prem goals from set-pieces last season. More than a third of their Prem goals were from a dead-ball situation. C Ronaldo scored 31 Prem goals last season, 4 pens and 11 more from other dead-ball situations and 16 from open play. This means C Ronaldo scored 48.4 % of his goals from set-piece scenarios. Some of these goals were set-pieces taken by other players. Set-pieces scenarios are a distinct part of the game. The figures would indicate that last season C Ronaldo and Man U in general were extremely proficient at set-pieces and much of their success can be attributable to this fact.

http://www.majorleaguecharts.com/mlc/eplClubBasic.cfm

While it is clear that C Ronaldo is not a striker, over the last 2 seasons he has taken many more shots than every Prem striker. It is this that is key to his goal-scoring tallies. His overall conversion % is comparable to top strikers but is skewed by his taking of free-kicks and pens. If the data for shots from free-kicks was attained then it would be possible to seperate out this aspect of shooting and analyse it seperately.

Of course the title of Best Striker can never really be claimed unequivocally as there are always several leading candidates. It is then just a case of choosing one as a matter of judgement and opinion rather than fact. Which is why this thread will go on forever.