Best Striker in the World now

[macaluca]

However, the main point still stands, that when healthy, he is one of the most dangerous attacking players and has a positive impact on his team.

Whatever your arguments with others , that was not your main point with me.

I am glad to see our argument is now settled.

[rochester rhinos]

No I'm saying Raul is a better player than Raul Tamudo because he is a better player than Raul Tamudo.

The McBride comment is going straight on the DPT.

Try asking a barca fan about the golazos.

As has already been pointed out to you on the Madrid forum, you are a retard now f uck off moron.You just blatantly said that Raul is a better player than Raul Tamudo:rolleyes:

What are you going to say next that Sergio Ramos is really the best defender in the world:rolleyes:

You should stick to talking about Madrid and their squad, and not comparing them against players not playing for Madrid, cause you clearly have huge galactico blinders on:cool:

[phil80]

*sighs*

Anyways lets do a quick list on what's wrong with the shit that you seem to be spewing.

1. You rekindle a 2 month arguement in a lame attempt to prove a pointless point.

2. You were so smug that you went out of your way to call out Teso and I several times in the hopes that everyone would realise you were right.

3. Macaluca a MADRID fan (note; not a Barca fan or a Valladoid fan) tells you that Robben (who plays for the team he supports) was not exceptional against Valladoid and has not been as good as you assumed he was. Instead of appreciating his views, you refuse to back down and become stubborn, ignoring all the points macaluca has made.

4. When faced with points like 'your sources are a crock of shit' and 'your friends are totally bogus', you squirm and start saying the arguement is 'futile' and he's 'ignorant' without backing it up or challenging the new points.(this has sadly become a habit of yours).

5. "More drivel from the peanut gallery" is not funny.

6. This reason is probably the one that gets on my nerves the most. You bring up Robben (again) in a thread named "who's the best striker now". Either you're being incredibly ignorant or incredibly silly or a mixture of the both by bringing a winger into a striker thread (again!). Either you stop being so incessantly annoying and shut up about your precious Robben or you take your Robben manlove to a relevant thread and get the f*ck out.


Really, when you do this, do you really expect me to take you seriously?
1. The point still stands regardless of your incorrect views on it.
2. Only called you out once to highlight your ignorance on the topic. Quit being a baby about it.
3. A fan of any team can judge their own players wrongly. You are a perfect example of this, foolishly claiming Ryan Giggs is better than George Best and Ronaldinho. It's insane logic to think that a fan of a team will always have the correct views on their players, pretty laughable that you're even trying to argue that point.
4. Neither You, Teso, nor Macaluca have provided sources to contradict Robben's influence in that game. I can easily be as ignorant and just keep saying 'no youre wrong im right', like you three have mastered, but i went and tried to search for any player ratings on the game and that was the only one found on the internet. So unless you find another one, quit talking out of your a$$.
5. Was not meant to be funny, it was a descriptive comment pointing out the drivel you continually post.
6. Teso brought up Robben in regards to his influence on the Dutch's attack. Do try to keep up.
You have never been taken seriously as far as I'm concerned and posts like that only further your idiocy.

[rochester rhinos]

No I'm saying Raul is a better player than Raul Tamudo because he is a better player than Raul Tamudo.

The McBride comment is going straight on the DPT.

Try asking a barca fan about the golazos.

As has already been pointed out to you on the Madrid forum, you are a retard now f uck off moron.
Also that Madrid fan called me a retard cause I posted a Roma lineup and FORZA GIALLOROSSA!! on the Madrid Forum:rolleyes:

[Teso Dos Bichos]

More inane ramblings from the usual subject. If you could read properly, I agreed Guti was MOTM but pointed out that others felt Robben was the most impressive on the pitch. Either way, all have claimed Robben was extremely influential, only you two have thus far argued to the contrary. The Goal.com commentary is the only player rankings I have found on the INTERNET for that game (every other commentary backs up my stance on Robben's role). So unless you find other ratings/commentary, stop trolling and wasting everyone's time.



You are in the minority phil80. A minority of you plus a single football hack. Quite why you insist on arguing about Robben in this thread when the only evidence you have to back up your claims are a couple of good games thus far is beyond me. The funny thing is I don't even disagree with your stance that Robben 'can' be a dangerous player. The problem is he can easily be taken out of a game, is very injury prone and his style of play is not conducive to good attacking team play. That is all I have said about the player and I don't see how anyone can disagree with it.

No posturing or excuses...we both know why I mentioned him, the fact you choose to pretend otherwise is pretty lame.

What you seen incapable of grasping is the fundamental point that he should not have been mentioned at all.

My point was that you misquoted me saying he was nowhere near what he was...I never said that. What I did say is that he is not fully back to what he was. Given that what he was , was so special, that still makes him worthy of discussion.

What tense is the bolded word? Now go ahead and read the thread title. You might disagree with the degree to which he is past his best (or peak form or whatever term you wish to use) but the fact remains that he is far removed from it.

So if we cannot discount poor years, how about Ruud's years at Den Bosch and at Herenveen...he was 22 before any big club even looked at him.
94-95 P15 G3
95-96 P21 G2
96-97 P31 G12
97-98 P31 G13 (yes I'm a nerd too)
.....these at the ages when Raul was winning ligas, champions leagues and scoring goals by the bucketful in the Spanish primera.
Ruud was busy playing CB in the Dutch second division.

If you are incapable of differentiating between (a) a young player learning a new position and being brought into the side at a smaller club and (b) an established player suddenly and inexplicably turning to shit when he is supposed to be at his peak and while at an elite club, then there is little point in continuing this discussion. It's a weak attempt to deflect the attention away from Raul. The fact that Ruud has a superior record despite starting later and also being injured not only highlights his immense quality but also how far Raul has slipped.

Why? I am a fan first and foremost...everything is coloured by that...and while you might feel that negates my point of view, I feel it makes it stronger.
My love of football comes from Madrid, not from arguing the toss with some guy over the net.

Why? It's pretty obvious. Your opinion of Raul can be rendered irrelevant because you are clearly incapable of being objective when it comes to him. Considering that and your unwillingness to change then you should stop engaging in these discussions. Either that or you will turn out like phil80, amongst others.

You've already proven that a discussion with you is futile, so ill leave it at that. The bottom line is Robben has been more than average than in just a few games (which I have already proven you wrong in), but OVERALL he has not been impressive enough and has not reached anywhere near his potential for Madrid because of injuries. However, the main point still stands, that when healthy, he is one of the most dangerous attacking players and has a positive impact on his team.

Utter rubbish.

[macaluca]

You just blatantly said that Raul is a better player than Raul Tamudo:

What are you going to say next that Sergio Ramos is really the best defender in the world:

You should stick to talking about Madrid and their squad, and not comparing them against players not playing for Madrid, cause you clearly have huge galactico blinders on:

I was going to say that I see you've given up any attempt at serious argument and are now just talking sh!t....but the I realised you were doing that all along.

Also that Madrid fan called me a retard cause I posted a Roma lineup and FORZA GIALLOROSSA!! on the Madrid Forum

No he called you a retard because you are a retard.
Judging from your nick....a gay retard at that. (Not that there is anything wrong with your lifestyle choice:rolleyes:)

[Twix]

1. You are delusional. What point still stands and what are my incorrect views on it?

2. You called me out twice.:] Anyways, you wanted to highlight Teso and I's (and macaluca and everyone else on the madrid board's etc...) ignorance so you purposely called us out. Yet you call me a baby?

3. Wooosh. My point goes way over your head. My point was that Macaluca has no reason to be biased againt Robben yet you treat him like he was saying Robben was shit. He didn't, he only stated that he did not play as good as you think he did.

4. Stop being a lazy prick and go to the madrid boards, if you're so hungry for player ratings. Pick the match threads in which you think Robben played well and bring back comments that support your arguement. Most of their opinions are more credible than goal.com anyway. Player ratings are subjective and I've never mentioned them in an arguement before so how am I talking 'out of my a$$'?

5. Feel free to put me on ignore.:]

6. Who brought up the dutch? When did Teso introduce Robben into the arguement? and why the f*ck are you trying to derail this thread (again!)?

[phil80]

1. You are delusional. What point still stands and what are my incorrect views on it?

2. You called me out twice.:] Anyways, you wanted to highlight Teso and I's (and macaluca and everyone else on the madrid board's etc...) ignorance so you purposely called us out. Yet you call me a baby?

3. Wooosh. My point goes way over your head. My point was that Macaluca has no reason to be biased againt Robben yet you treat him like he was saying Robben was shit. He didn't, he only stated that he did not play as good as you think he did.

4. Stop being a lazy prick and go to the madrid boards, if you're so hungry for player ratings. Pick the match threads in which you think Robben played well and bring back comments that support your arguement. Most of their opinions are more credible than goal.com anyway. Player ratings are subjective and I've never mentioned them in an arguement before so how am I talking 'out of my a$$'?

5. Feel free to put me on ignore.:]

6. Who brought up the dutch? When did Teso introduce Robben into the arguement? and why the f*ck are you trying to derail this thread (again!)?
More drivel, no player ratings and no useful contribution of any sort. It has come expected from you.

[phil80]

to highlight Teso and I's

Is that a joke or further proof of your stupidity?

[Twix]

More drivel, no player ratings and no useful contribution of any sort. It has come expected from you.

Feel free to put me on ignore.:)

[macaluca]

If you are incapable of differentiating between (a) a young player learning a new position and being brought into the side at a smaller club and (b) an established player suddenly and inexplicably turning to shit when he is supposed to be at his peak and while at an elite club, then there is little point in continuing this discussion. It's a weak attempt to deflect the attention away from Raul. The fact that Ruud has a superior record despite starting later and also being injured not only highlights his immense quality but also how far Raul has slipped.



If you are incapable of seeing that there were many reasons for his dip in performance then there is little point continuing this discussion with you. It was not inexplicable, myself and others have been saying what caused his dip in form, primarily the roles he was asked to play. Funnily one of the first things Schuster said was exactly what i have been saying about him being too far from the area...and as if by magic the goals, the form, the old raul has returned, To me (and Schuster) that is not inexplicable.

Likewise if we can only ignore a players form at the ages you deem it acceptable, then again there is no point continuing. Ruud was learning when he started and struggled...Raul at the same ages did not struggle to learn his trade.
Finally, I have already said that ruud was my choice, and i have nothing but respect for him...but Raul certainly merits inclusion in the discussion.

Why? It's pretty obvious. Your opinion of Raul can be rendered irrelevant because you are clearly incapable of being objective when it comes to him. Considering that and your unwillingness to change then you should stop engaging in these discussions. Either that or you will turn out like phil80, amongst others.

So you mean that until you noticed I was a Madrid fan, you were treating my assertion that 'Raul is God' as a serious argument. Perhaps you need to bring a sense of humour with you to the next argument.
The fact that i am not objective is irrelevant providing I put up valid arguments...and I have done so whether you agree or not.

Either that or you will turn out like phil80, amongst others.

In a lot of ways you already are like him...you will both serve as a warning to me as to what I must never become.

[Twix]

Is that a joke or further proof of your stupidity?


Ouch!

I made a grammatical mistake (which is something you are prone to doing) so I must be stupid! No-one in this thread, nay, the history of bigsoccer, nay, the history of the whole world wide web has ever made a grammar mistake before so I must feel stupid!

You got there me phil, well done!

[rochester rhinos]

I was going to say that I see you've given up any attempt at serious argument and are now just talking sh!t....but the I realised you were doing that all along.



No he called you a retard because you are a retard.
Judging from your nick....a gay retard at that. (Not that there is anything wrong with your lifestyle choice:rolleyes:)ok you should go to WR at this b because your posts have diluted into insults and unbiased Raul loving galactico blinders fully on:cool:

[macaluca]

ok you should go to WR at this b because your posts have diluted into insults and unbiased Raul loving galactico blinders fully on:cool:

Glad you think my love of raul is 'unbiased' .....retard
The word is blinkers not blinders......retard
I would be happy to have a serious discussion but unfortunately you are not quite up to it... retard

Now seriously, go fu ck off and play with your little friends in the back yard and leave the grown ups in peace.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

If you are incapable of seeing that there were many reasons for his dip in performance then there is little point continuing this discussion with you. It was not inexplicable, myself and others have been saying what caused his dip in form, primarily the roles he was asked to play. Funnily one of the first things Schuster said was exactly what i have been saying about him being too far from the area...and as if by magic the goals, the form, the old raul has returned, To me (and Schuster) that is not inexplicable.

I am well aware that there can be countless reasons for dips in performance but not for Raul to go from arguably the best striker in the world to a shadow of himself in such a short period of time and when he was supposed to be at his peak. Even now he is nowhere near what he was and there are no signs that he will ever get back to it. Raul's form was poor long before he was used outside of his usual striking position. He was only moved because of his poor form.

Likewise if we can only ignore a players form at the ages you deem it acceptable, then again there is no point continuing. Ruud was learning when he started and struggled...Raul at the same ages did not struggle to learn his trade.
Finally, I have already said that ruud was my choice, and i have nothing but respect for him...but Raul certainly merits inclusion in the discussion.

Likewise you cannot ignore that players develop at different stages, particularly those who change their position after they have originally broken through to the first team. Not only that but almost all players who start at smaller clubs have worse records than those who start at elite clubs. Regardless Ruud's entire career will still be taken into account and even when doing so his record is superior to that of Raul. I don't get why you are still arguing with me when neither of us disagree over Van Nistelrooy and we have already established (by your own admission) that your Raul comments are not objective.

So you mean that until you noticed I was a Madrid fan, you were treating my assertion that 'Raul is God' as a serious argument. Perhaps you need to bring a sense of humour with you to the next argument.
The fact that i am not objective is irrelevant providing I put up valid arguments...and I have done so whether you agree or not.

I knew you were a Madrid fan. The point remains that Raul does not merit mention in this thread, regardless of your specific reasoning. The fact that you are not objective is clearly relevant, particularly as you have not providing any valid arguments to defend what you have posted.

In a lot of ways you already are like him...you will both serve as a warning to me as to what I must never become.

Nice attempt to wriggle out of that one but pity it failed. You are exactly like phil80. He is clearly biased towards Robben and that has led to his judgment being clouded and him making a continued fool of himself. The same unfortunately applies to you and Raul.

[rochester rhinos]

Glad you think my love of raul is 'unbiased' .....retard
The word is blinkers not blinders......retard
I would be happy to have a serious discussion but unfortunately you are not quite up to it... retard

Now seriously, go fu ck off and play with your little friends in the back yard and leave the grown ups in peace.Once again if you wish hurl insults as your main point than you should go to WR.

Im sorry Raul Tamudo is a better player than Raul Madrid:rolleyes:

Also so sorry that you worship a mediocre god:rolleyes:

Yes you do have your galactico blinders fully on:cool:

[Hendrixforpope]

Once again if you wish hurl insults as your main point than you should go to WR.

Im sorry Raul Tamudo is a better player than Raul Madrid:rolleyes:

Also so sorry that you worship a mediocre god:rolleyes:

Yes you do have your galactico blinders fully on:cool:

Were is Espanyol in the La Liga standings? Were is Real Madrid?

[Hendrixforpope]

Where not were :o

[macaluca]

I am well aware that there can be countless reasons for dips in performance but not for Raul to go from arguably the best striker in the world to a shadow of himself in such a short period of time and when he was supposed to be at his peak. Even now he is nowhere near what he was and there are no signs that he will ever get back to it. Raul's form was poor long before he was used outside of his usual striking position. He was only moved because of his poor form.


Nice try but incorrect, he was moved back during 03-04 a season when he started well but then picked up an ankle injury which plagued him for the rest of that season and the early part of the next. his dip in form coincided with that injury.

Again to say he is nowhere near his best is incorrect. While I would not say he is there yet, the signs are encouraging....and yes there are signs he will.



Likewise you cannot ignore that players develop at different stages, particularly those who change their position after they have originally broken through to the first team. Not only that but almost all players who start at smaller clubs have worse records than those who start at elite clubs. Regardless Ruud's entire career will still be taken into account and even when doing so his record is superior to that of Raul. I don't get why you are still arguing with me when neither of us disagree over Van Nistelrooy and we have already established (by your own admission) that your Raul comments are not objective.

Exactly,players develop differently. I don't see your problem with accepting that someone who has been playing at the highest level since the age of 17, can suffer a dip in form later in his career...particularly when he is played out of position and for two of those seasons is struggling with injuries.
That dip in form is equally as valid as making allowances for a young player coming through.
My admission about not being objective about Raul also included the point that as long as i continued to put forward valid arguments (which I have) my support of raul was irrelevant.


I knew you were a Madrid fan. The point remains that Raul does not merit mention in this thread, regardless of your specific reasoning. The fact that you are not objective is clearly relevant, particularly as you have not providing any valid arguments to defend what you have posted.

You blindly repeating that I have not put forward valid arguments does not make it true. I repeat... as long as my arguments are valid (which they are) my standpoint is irrelevant.

Nice attempt to wriggle out of that one but pity it failed. You are exactly like phil80. He is clearly biased towards Robben and that has led to his judgment being clouded and him making a continued fool of himself. The same unfortunately applies to you and Raul.

Unfortunately phil80 just repeats a mantra without backing it up...I'm afraid you do the same.
I'm the one who declares my interest yet puts forward the balanced argument.

Now please stop with the phil80 comparisons and the 'continued fool' comments, I've seen them and similar all too often from you once your argument starts to fall apart and they are getting rather old hat.
You can carry on stating that you are right and everyone else is wrong as much as you want, but very few people are buying it anymore.

Feel free to get your customary last word in *yawn* but I'm tired of going round in circles.

[rochester rhinos]

Were is Espanyol in the La Liga standings? Were is Real Madrid?What does that have to do with who's the better player? Actually Tamudo has one less goal and it could be argued that his goals tally this season deserves more credit than that of Raul Madrid simply for the fact that he dosent get nearly the same amount of chances and its harder to score for a struggling team:rolleyes: