Best Striker in the World now

[Teso Dos Bichos]

It's sad that you think because one fan disagrees with a players performance in a match then that person in incorrect. With that logic you are infinitely wrong in every French person's mind by claiming "Zidane wouldn't make a list of the top 250 players" :rolleyes:

As for Robben's game, many thought he was exceptional and some player ratings had him higher than Guti as well as the highest player on the field. http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=581196 It shows how narrow minded you are.

I do enjoy watching you squirm and twist posts but the fact remains that numerous people have disagreed with what you claimed in regard to Robben. Not just on this thread but in several others. Including a fan of Real Madrid who has therefore seen a lot more of Robben than most. Of course I suppose we are all incorrect and you are the only person in the world who 'gets' him. Fanboys are annoying at the best of times but your Robben man love is on a different level entirely.

Why should I put any stock in what some random called Miguel Velasco thinks? Did you even bother to read the countless user comments that not only question Robben's ranking but also clearly state that Guti should have been rated higher? Silly me, of course you didn't or you would not have been stupid enough to post a link to something that weakens your stance and highlights that I have been correct in my comments thus far.

Second box wasn't a quote from Teso. It sucks not being able to edit it

It really says a lot about a person when they are incapable of even trolling correctly.

Not in the context of putting his name up for discussion, as I made clear and as you fully realise. However I guess purposelessly misinterpreting me helps you twist the argument and it is something you'll continue to do. I guess anyone with a smattering of intelligence will see that.

I don't understand why you continue to dispute what I posted. You were the one who, for whatever reason, chose to name Raul in a thread intended to discuss the best striker in the world at present. No amount of posturing or excuses can change that fact.

Firstly, and this is important, I did not say his level of performance 'is not anywhere near what it used to be.' ...but then again you are aware that I didn't say that aren't you?:rolleyes:
Secondly, yes I admit he has had 3 mediocre seasons...I also said there were many reasons why and that those seasons do not detract from his current standing or indeed his career overall.
Thirdly I do not 'accept that he clearly does not merit inclusion' ...just that I did not put him up for inclusion, as I have already made clear my vote would go to Ruud. That does not mean I could not make a case for his inclusion
If you are baffled as to why I brought him up...'as being God'..which was my original comment, the you clearly do not understand supporter loyalty...umless of course you are just acting dumb (quite convincingly)to try and push your argument

You might not have explicitly stated it but your comments clearly indicate that you must agree with it. After all, you admitted that he has been poor over the last three full seasons and you then laughably tried to use the excuse that if other 'inferior' strikers are named then so should Raul. If that does not equate to an admission that he has not reached the level of performance he was previously famous for then I don't know what is. I also don't see why you would even try to debate the issue, as it is clearly correct. Whether you, as a Real Madrid fan, like to admit it or not his poor form over recent years does impact on his current standing and his career as a whole. You cannot simply discount poor years because it does not suit your view of the player in the question. With all of that in mind and taking into account what you yourself admit then it is quite clear that at this stage he does not merit inclusion in this thread or in any list detailing the best current strikers in the world. You need to learn to judge Raul in an objective manner and not as a fan of either the player or his club.

Christ, you're a bit of a nerd aren't you?;)
Given that I too would put Ruud forward, the point you are trying to force through is irrelevant.
My point was that not only is Raul close on both counts and hence worthy of discussion, but that his figures stand up on their own merit this year.

Read my previous post and read what you originally posted.

So the upshot is that you disagree and that's that...well...err ok

Yipee! Now if you simply accept that I am correct we would have no issue.

no doubt drogba!!!

Christ, yet another ignorant newbie who failed to read the thread.

one good season and he's the best striker in the world?

Precisely.

I like Rooney's role better. Besides, yesterday against arsenal Rooney played at the nip tippity top of the formation and got a very RVN-like goal.

Rooney's finishing was very poor in that match and has been all season. He is not a great goal scorer but a scorer of great goals. He is getting better but he needs to be far more clinical if he wants to keep that role for club and country.

[rochester rhinos]

Ah now I understand you...though actually you made more sense when I didn't.
If Torres had stayed in Madrid, he would have continued to stagnate in the cesspit that is the Vincente Calderon...as his career had been doing for the last two seasons.
He would have been God to the 40,000 or so Pateticos and to no one else.
His move to Liverpool has given his career the kick it was desperately in need of....however I still doubt he will achieve half of what Raul has.

Quite what Torres' career has to do with Raul's in terms of this discussion I'm not sure.....although if you are suggesting that Torres would have become a bigger figure in Spain or Madrid, had he stayed, than Raul , then I'm afraid you are just giving everyone a huge insight into your lack of knowledge of Spanish football.

Seeing as you see pace as the be all and end all of a strikers' ability, I look forward to reading your case for Gabby Agbonlahor being the world's best striker.:cool:I heard somewhere that Fernando could've signed for Real before joining Atletico is what I meant.

Im sorry but you worship a false rebound/tap in goal god.When was the last time I saw Raul score a golazo, never


Seeing as I see pace as the be all and end all I said Ruud was number 1:rolleyes:

[Hendrixforpope]

Ruud > Raul as far as goal scoring threat to teams that Real Madrid are playing.

[macaluca]

Your arguements are simply pathetic. Besides my own take on the game, many sources thought Robben had an exceptional performance, you're the only one that thinks he was just good, and all of a sudden your opinion is above everyone elses. That's absolutely comical. I'm glad you determine who is right and 'wrong'.

I do not determine who is right and wrong, Guti was the better player, he was exceptional... Robben did not play as well, he was very good,but by definition was not exceptional.
Subheadline from as on the game...
"Raúl y Guti escribieron una carta a Luis, Ramos fue un titán y hasta Drenthe goleó..." hmmm no mention of who?

I do not determine who is right or wrong, I just state the facts... and your new friends are clearly wrong.



ONCE AGAIN I'm reiterating the same point. Robben was not the best player in the Lazio game nor was he in the top 5. He did however have an above average game coming on as a sub. So you repeating that NO ONE chose him as their top 3, proves nothing and only makes you look inept at comprehending the post. The fact that you keep missing this point is beyond me, and proves a discussion with you is futile.

Just read the bilge you are writing....he was not by your admission one of the best 5 in the team...you now have changed from a 'good' performance to an 'above average one' (though him being at best the 6th best in the team points to him being average)...and all this in a 45 minute exhibition game with the serious match already won...
...and that's it...that's your weekend's work in finding other games where he has been (iyo) good.
45 minutes of football in the season.
Please, you are embarrassing yourself.:rolleyes:

[macaluca]

I heard somewhere that Fernando could've signed for Real before joining Atletico is what I meant.
Im sorry but you worship a false rebound/tap in goal god.When was the last time I saw Raul score a golazo, never
Seeing as I see pace as the be all and end all I said Ruud was number 1:

No of course Raul has never scored a golazo...which is a shame because obviously in your world they count double.:rolleyes:
Yes of course being an Atleti fan since early childhood, and having joined Atleti at about 10 years old Torres could have joined Madrid...and the have succeeded in pushing raulout of the team just like Ronaldo, Owen, Etoo, Portillo, Riki, Soldado, Negredo, Luis Garcia:rolleyes:

[NORTHVIEWSOCCER]

Ronaldinho:D

[Hendrixforpope]

Ronaldinho:D

Another Real Madrid newbie, perfect, just what we need :rolleyes:.

[Twix]

Please, you are embarrassing yourself.:rolleyes:

Macaluca, I just thought I should warn you that phil80 will not back down and is erm of the "Harry Boulton" breed.

Hope this helps.:)

[phil80]

Did you even bother to read the countless user comments that not only question Robben's ranking but also clearly state that Guti should have been rated higher? Silly me, of course you didn't or you would not have been stupid enough to post a link to something that weakens your stance and highlights that I have been correct in my comments thus far.
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More inane ramblings from the usual subject. If you could read properly, I agreed Guti was MOTM but pointed out that others felt Robben was the most impressive on the pitch. Either way, all have claimed Robben was extremely influential, only you two have thus far argued to the contrary. The Goal.com commentary is the only player rankings I have found on the INTERNET for that game (every other commentary backs up my stance on Robben's role). So unless you find other ratings/commentary, stop trolling and wasting everyone's time.

[macaluca]

I don't understand why you continue to dispute what I posted. You were the one who, for whatever reason, chose to name Raul in a thread intended to discuss the best striker in the world at present. No amount of posturing or excuses can change that fact.

No posturing or excuses...we both know why I mentioned him, the fact you choose to pretend otherwise is pretty lame.

You might not have explicitly stated it but your comments clearly indicate that you must agree with it. After all, you admitted that he has been poor over the last three full seasons and you then laughably tried to use the excuse that if other 'inferior' strikers are named then so should Raul. If that does not equate to an admission that he has not reached the level of performance he was previously famous for then I don't know what is.

My point was that you misquoted me saying he was nowhere near what he was...I never said that. What I did say is that he is not fully back to what he was. Given that what he was , was so special, that still makes him worthy of discussion.

You cannot simply discount poor years because it does not suit your view of the player in the question. With all of that in mind and taking into account what you yourself admit then it is quite clear that at this stage he does not merit inclusion in this thread or in any list detailing the best current strikers in the world.

So if we cannot discount poor years, how about Ruud's years at Den Bosch and at Herenveen...he was 22 before any big club even looked at him.
94-95 P15 G3
95-96 P21 G2
96-97 P31 G12
97-98 P31 G13 (yes I'm a nerd too)
.....these at the ages when Raul was winning ligas, champions leagues and scoring goals by the bucketful in the Spanish primera.
Ruud was busy playing CB in the Dutch second division.

You need to learn to judge Raul in an objective manner and not as a fan of either the player or his club.
Why? I am a fan first and foremost...everything is coloured by that...and while you might feel that negates my point of view, I feel it makes it stronger.
My love of football comes from Madrid, not from arguing the toss with some guy over the net.

[macaluca]

Macaluca, I just thought I should warn you that phil80 will not back down and is erm of the "Harry Boulton" breed.

Hope this helps.:)

Cheers MrTwix...I was beginning to realise that.

[rochester rhinos]

No of course Raul has never scored a golazo...which is a shame because obviously in your world they count double.
Yes of course being an Atleti fan since early childhood, and having joined Atleti at about 10 years old Torres could have joined Madrid...and the have succeeded in pushing raulout of the team just like Ronaldo, Owen, Etoo, Portillo, Riki, Soldado, Negredo, Luis GarciaSo im right that you worship a mediocre god.

If Raul Tamudo had joined Madrid from an early age and never left hed be god(clearly more skilled than Raul Gonsalez):rolleyes:

Raul hasnt scored more than 15 goals in a season in 4 seasons now:rolleyes:

Am I wrong or did Raul score 5 goals in a whole season a few years back..and didnt someone post that they could make an argument that he was among the best strikers in the world

Whats more glorious scoring cucchiaios or scoring tap ins:cool:

[phil80]

he was not by your admission one of the best 5 in the team...you now have changed from a 'good' performance to an 'above average one' (though him being at best the 6th best in the team points to him being average)...and all this in a 45 minute exhibition game with the serious match already won...
...and that's it...that's your weekend's work in finding other games where he has been (iyo) good.
45 minutes of football in the season.
Please, you are embarrassing yourself.:rolleyes:

Some people just never get it...
The point was Robben was good and, contrary to your views, above average. He had a good showing but so did other players, so why do you keep judging him to his teammates? A handful of the players played well. The fact that you can't understand this only highlights your ignorance.

[phil80]

Macaluca, I just thought I should warn you that phil80 will not back down and is erm of the "Harry Boulton" breed.


More drivel from the peanut gallery.

[macaluca]

So im right that you worship a mediocre god.
Remind me not to be sarcastic with you as you don't have the intellectual capacity to deal with it.

If Raul Tamudo had joined Madrid from an early age and never left hed be god(clearly more skilled than Raul Gonsalez):rolleyes:

Which is obviously why he has been so much more successful than Raul in his career...oh no wait a minute, he hasn't...so that means you're talking sh!t again.

Raul hasnt scored more than 15 goals in a season in 4 seasons now:rolleyes:
He will do it this season, it was only 3 seasons and he spent most of those not playing as a striker as well as struggling with injury.


Am I wrong yes, obviously

Whats more glorious scoring cucchiaios or scoring tap ins:cool:
Well you know, when they're the goals that win your club CL's or titles or shut the Camp Nou up, they're all pretty good.
And seeing as you missed the sarcasm, Raul has scored his fair share of golazos for what it's worth.

[macaluca]

Some people just never get it...
The point was Robben was good and, contrary to your views, above average. He had a good showing but so did other players, so why do you keep judging him to his teammates? A handful of the players played well. The fact that you can't understand this only highlights your ignorance.



I'll tell you what. seeing as the rest of your argument is dead in the water,I'll throw you a line.
Just to shut you up, I'll accept he had a good 45 minutes against lazio. (don't really believe it but let's say i do)

Now I said he was good against Valladolid and decent enough against Betis.
You countered with 'he has had other good games'
Now after a weekend's debate we've established those other good games to be 45 minutes against a lazio team already 3-0 down when he came on the pitch.
Well Done Phil...wow you really showed me:rolleyes:

[Twix]

More drivel from the peanut gallery.

*sighs*

Anyways lets do a quick list on what's wrong with the shit that you seem to be spewing.

1. You rekindle a 2 month arguement in a lame attempt to prove a pointless point.

2. You were so smug that you went out of your way to call out Teso and I several times in the hopes that everyone would realise you were right.

3. Macaluca a MADRID fan (note; not a Barca fan or a Valladoid fan) tells you that Robben (who plays for the team he supports) was not exceptional against Valladoid and has not been as good as you assumed he was. Instead of appreciating his views, you refuse to back down and become stubborn, ignoring all the points macaluca has made.

4. When faced with points like 'your sources are a crock of shit' and 'your friends are totally bogus', you squirm and start saying the arguement is 'futile' and he's 'ignorant' without backing it up or challenging the new points.(this has sadly become a habit of yours).

5. "More drivel from the peanut gallery" is not funny.

6. This reason is probably the one that gets on my nerves the most. You bring up Robben (again) in a thread named "who's the best striker now". Either you're being incredibly ignorant or incredibly silly or a mixture of the both by bringing a winger into a striker thread (again!). Either you stop being so incessantly annoying and shut up about your precious Robben or you take your Robben manlove to a relevant thread and get the f*ck out.


Really, when you do this, do you really expect me to take you seriously?

[rochester rhinos]

Remind me not to be sarcastic with you as you don't have the intellectual capacity to deal with it.



Which is obviously why he has been so much more successful than Raul in his career...oh no wait a minute, he hasn't...so that means you're talking sh!t again.

He will do it this season, it was only 3 seasons and he spent most of those not playing as a striker as well as struggling with injury.


yes, obviously


Well you know, when they're the goals that win your club CL's or titles or shut the Camp Nou up, they're all pretty good.
And seeing as you missed the sarcasm, Raul has scored his fair share of golazos for what it's worth.Sorry guy but u obviously dont know BS you try to be sarcastic im supposed to turn it you say Raul has never scored a golazo I say damn straight

So now youre arguing that Raul is a better player than Raul Tamudo because hes had a more successful career, ok that shows your dumb Madrid logic:rolleyes:

All of those goals you talk about could've been scored by Brian McBride is my whole point:rolleyes:

[phil80]

You've already proven that a discussion with you is futile, so ill leave it at that. The bottom line is Robben has been more than average than in just a few games (which I have already proven you wrong in), but OVERALL he has not been impressive enough and has not reached anywhere near his potential for Madrid because of injuries. However, the main point still stands, that when healthy, he is one of the most dangerous attacking players and has a positive impact on his team.

[macaluca]

Sorry guy but u obviously dont know BS you try to be sarcastic im supposed to turn it you say Raul has never scored a golazo I say damn straight

So now youre arguing that Raul is a better player than Raul Tamudo because hes had a more successful career, ok that shows your dumb Madrid logic:rolleyes:

All of those goals you talk about could've been scored by Brian McBride is my whole point:rolleyes:

No I'm saying Raul is a better player than Raul Tamudo because he is a better player than Raul Tamudo.

The McBride comment is going straight on the DPT.

Try asking a barca fan about the golazos.

As has already been pointed out to you on the Madrid forum, you are a retard now f uck off moron.