Best Striker in the World now

[Hendrixforpope]

no I edited my statement so it could be more understandable.I misspelled would've and cannot edit my post because I have a yellow card

Completely irrelevant at this point because it was yesterday and no one cares anymore. You just brought it back up.

[Hendrixforpope]

By the way, no one can edit their posts here regardless of card status (except mods I think).

[rochester rhinos]

Completely irrelevant at this point because it was yesterday and no one cares anymore. You just brought it back up.Dude said I couldn't construct a sentence.Raul Madrid

[Hendrixforpope]

Dude said I couldn't construct a sentence.Raul Madrid

Big deal. Don't cry because someone insults you :p.

[phil80]

[quote=Teso Dos Bichos;13900532]No, just a Real Madrid fan fundamentally disagreeing with everything you have tried to claim.




It's sad that you think because one fan disagrees with a players performance in a match then that person in incorrect. With that logic you are infinitely wrong in every French person's mind by claiming "Zidane wouldn't make a list of the top 250 players" :rolleyes:


As for Robben's game, many thought he was exceptional and some player ratings had him higher than Guti as well as the highest player on the field. http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=581196 It shows how narrow minded you are.

[Hendrixforpope]

[quote=Teso Dos Bichos;13900532]No, just a Real Madrid fan fundamentally disagreeing with everything you have tried to claim.


It's sad that you think because one fan disagrees with a players performance in a match then that person in incorrect. With that logic you are infinitely wrong in every French person's mind by claiming "Zidane wouldn't make a list of the top 250 players" :rolleyes:As for Robben's game, many thought he was exceptional and some player ratings had him higher than Guti as well as the highest player on the field. http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=581196 It shows how narrow minded you are.


Could this be the first time that Teso has ever been wrong? OMFG! The sky is falling! The Universe is imploding! God has ceased to exist! Save us! Save us!

[Hendrixforpope]

Second box wasn't a quote from Teso :o. It sucks not being able to edit it :mad:

[phil80]

My bad for not making it clear but yes the second quote was mine proving Teso's assertions incorrect.

[Hendrixforpope]

My bad for not making it clear but yes the second quote was mine proving Teso's assertions incorrect.

Which caused the sky to fall and the universe to start collapsing.

[phil80]

:p It'd be funnier if it wasn't so true.
Which caused the sky to fall and the universe to start collapsing.

[d3d3]

Raul is the best ;)

[macaluca]

So you freely admit to having brought Raul's name into a discussion regarding the best current strikers in the world. It's good you made that admission early in your post.

Not in the context of putting his name up for discussion, as I made clear and as you fully realise. However I guess purposelessly misinterpreting me helps you twist the argument and it is something you'll continue to do. I guess anyone with a smattering of intelligence will see that.


It's also great that you admit Raul has been poor over the last three full seasons and that his level of performance is nowhere near what it used to be. Quite why you chose to originally mention him in this thread when you already accept that he clearly does not merit inclusion is baffling to say the least.

Firstly, and this is important, I did not say his level of performance 'is not anywhere near what it used to be.' ...but then again you are aware that I didn't say that aren't you?:rolleyes:
Secondly, yes I admit he has had 3 mediocre seasons...I also said there were many reasons why and that those seasons do not detract from his current standing or indeed his career overall.
Thirdly I do not 'accept that he clearly does not merit inclusion' ...just that I did not put him up for inclusion, as I have already made clear my vote would go to Ruud. That does not mean I could not make a case for his inclusion
If you are baffled as to why I brought him up...'as being God'..which was my original comment, the you clearly do not understand supporter loyalty...umless of course you are just acting dumb (quite convincingly)to try and push your argument

If you wish to discuss this season then feel free but the fact remains that Van Nistelrooy has played less games than Raul but has scored more goals and has more assists. Proof of this can be found on your official site.
Christ, you're a bit of a nerd aren't you?;)
Given that I too would put Ruud forward, the point you are trying to force through is irrelevant.
My point was that not only is Raul close on both counts and hence worthy of discussion, but that his figures stand up on their own merit this year.


Of the other names you listed I have disputed the inclusion of all bar Van Nistelrooy and Trezeguet, although my thoughts on the latter can be seen above. Just because others have made stupid suggestions does not make it right for you to do similar. Judging by your posts above you are better than that.
So the upshot is that you disagree and that's that...well...err ok

[macaluca]

First, no one dropped the Alicante match, I saw the game and Robben scored and had an assist on top of showing great moments as they went on to win 2-1. How can you dispute his influence in that game?
OK so he had some bright moments against a Segunda B side...as well as a dismal first half where he hardly saw the ball and recieved a bollocking from the captain for being stood on his heels. I don't dispute his influence...a goal and an assist...what i do dispute is that game being used as justification of his worth.

Second, saying someone had a decent performance is different from saying they were average (which you said he was for all other games) so which is it?
I'm not sure if this is more about semantics than anything else but yet again I said he had a decent cameo not performance. Also saying someone is 'decent enough' falls between good and average...sort of saying he was not bad. So yes against Lazio, in a minor 'cameo' role he was not bad for the one half he was on the pitch against a team already 3-0 down and going out of the CL. If you consider that justification of his worth, fine...I do not.

Third, the opposition was not strong but Robben was impressive on ball and dribbled well to create space, that too is indisputable if someone watched him closely.
If we are talking Valladolid here, fine i do not dispute that(well apart from the space thing)...what I do dispute is that he was the exceptional player that night...and believe me, printing ratings from a joke site like Goal.com do not help your cause. Given I and the other Spanish speakers spend much of our time translating original Spanish articles so as to show the crap that Goal is reporting from Spain.

Finally, which game are you referring to about MOTM?
Lazio

[macaluca]

Yeah friend if Fernando Torres had stayed in Madrid he would've been god and Raul would be a mediocre stk with no pace.:rolleyes:

Ah now I understand you...though actually you made more sense when I didn't.
If Torres had stayed in Madrid, he would have continued to stagnate in the cesspit that is the Vincente Calderon...as his career had been doing for the last two seasons.
He would have been God to the 40,000 or so Pateticos and to no one else.
His move to Liverpool has given his career the kick it was desperately in need of....however I still doubt he will achieve half of what Raul has.

Quite what Torres' career has to do with Raul's in terms of this discussion I'm not sure.....although if you are suggesting that Torres would have become a bigger figure in Spain or Madrid, had he stayed, than Raul , then I'm afraid you are just giving everyone a huge insight into your lack of knowledge of Spanish football.

Seeing as you see pace as the be all and end all of a strikers' ability, I look forward to reading your case for Gabby Agbonlahor being the world's best striker.:cool:

[Adam3217]

no doubt drogba!!!

[phil80]

OK so he had some bright moments against a Segunda B side...as well as a dismal first half where he hardly saw the ball and recieved a bollocking from the captain for being stood on his heels. I don't dispute his influence...a goal and an assist...what i do dispute is that game being used as justification of his worth.


I'm not sure if this is more about semantics than anything else but yet again I said he had a decent cameo not performance. Also saying someone is 'decent enough' falls between good and average...sort of saying he was not bad. So yes against Lazio, in a minor 'cameo' role he was not bad for the one half he was on the pitch against a team already 3-0 down and going out of the CL. If you consider that justification of his worth, fine...I do not.


If we are talking Valladolid here, fine i do not dispute that(well apart from the space thing)...what I do dispute is that he was the exceptional player that night...and believe me, printing ratings from a joke site like Goal.com do not help your cause. Given I and the other Spanish speakers spend much of our time translating original Spanish articles so as to show the crap that Goal is reporting from Spain.


Lazio
Im glad you finally conceded that he was more than average in other games (a contradiction to what you wrote earlier). I keep repeating this point but you dont get it, none of those games were a justification for his worth, they are examples that he has been more than average in other games this season, which you tried to claim. For the Valladolid game, practically every Madrid fan I've spoken to in addition to every analyst I have heard comment on the game, had nothing but praise for Robben's performance. Many thought he had the biggest impact (eventhough Guti's stats were more impressive), I dont agree with that but no doubt he was exceptional especially for someone regaining match fitness. (so its not just my opinion or some random site like Goal.com's opinion).
As for the Lazio's MOTM, I dont know why you still bring that up. I'll keep on repeating myself, I never claimed he was MOTM nor that he had a stellar performance. But coming on as a sub, he showed a good performance and was definately better than average. So you repeatedly bringing up no one chose him for MOTM is once again irrelevant.

[Massimo_Oddo]

no doubt drogba!!!

one good season and he's the best striker in the world?

[G-boot]

Van Nistelrooy is the better striker and Rooney is the better support striker. Knowing the difference between their two roles is key.

I like Rooney's role better. Besides, yesterday against arsenal Rooney played at the nip tippity top of the formation and got a very RVN-like goal.

[macaluca]

Im glad you finally conceded that he was more than average in other games (a contradiction to what you wrote earlier). I keep repeating this point but you dont get it, none of those games were a justification for his worth, they are examples that he has been more than average in other games this season, which you tried to claim.

So we have , he was very good (not exceptional)against Valladolid (which I have never denied), reasonable against Betis (which I brought up) and a little better than average in the second half against a defeated Lazio .

He had some good moments against Alicante (well 2) but given the opposition and the rest of his game, I'm would still only describe his overall performance as average.

Therefore your weekend of arguing that Robben was good in more games than I said has turned up 45 minutes of slightly above average play against Lazio. Well done:rolleyes:

For the Valladolid game, practically every Madrid fan I've spoken to in addition to every analyst I have heard comment on the game, had nothing but praise for Robben's performance.
Myself included.

Many thought he had the biggest impact (eventhough Guti's stats were more impressive), I dont agree with that but no doubt he was exceptional especially for someone regaining match fitness. (so its not just my opinion or some random site like Goal.com's opinion).

Amazing how you bring up these 'friends' only after your own opinion and your first source are rubbished. Call me cynical but....
All I can say is that these 'friends' are wrong,he had a good game but was not exceptional...and given the defending, I would have been surprised if he hadn't.

As for the Lazio's MOTM, I dont know why you still bring that up. I'll keep on repeating myself, I never claimed he was MOTM nor that he had a stellar performance. But coming on as a sub, he showed a good performance and was definately better than average. So you repeatedly bringing up no one chose him for MOTM is once again irrelevant.

I'm now at the point with this one where I'm wondering if you are being purposefully obtuse on this one or if you are truly stupid.
I will explain once again but very slowly.
The MOTM voting requires each person to vote for their best 3 players.
No one felt Robben was one of the best 3
6 players did receive votes.
It is therefore reasonable to assume he was no better than the 7th best Madrid player on the pitch, from the voting.
Therefore your weekend of arguing that Robben has had other good games, which we have established has turned up only these 45 minutes against Lazio; must now deal with the fact that his above average performance may only have been possible because the (at least) 6 better madrid players had already gone out and won the game.

Which kind of leaves you back at square one.

[phil80]

So we have , he was very good (not exceptional)against Valladolid (which I have never denied), reasonable against Betis (which I brought up) and a little better than average in the second half against a defeated Lazio .

He had some good moments against Alicante (well 2) but given the opposition and the rest of his game, I'm would still only describe his overall performance as average.

Therefore your weekend of arguing that Robben was good in more games than I said has turned up 45 minutes of slightly above average play against Lazio. Well done:rolleyes:


Myself included.



Amazing how you bring up these 'friends' only after your own opinion and your first source are rubbished. Call me cynical but....
All I can say is that these 'friends' are wrong,he had a good game but was not exceptional...and given the defending, I would have been surprised if he hadn't.



I'm now at the point with this one where I'm wondering if you are being purposefully obtuse on this one or if you are truly stupid.
I will explain once again but very slowly.
The MOTM voting requires each person to vote for their best 3 players.
No one felt Robben was one of the best 3
6 players did receive votes.
It is therefore reasonable to assume he was no better than the 7th best Madrid player on the pitch, from the voting.
Therefore your weekend of arguing that Robben has had other good games, which we have established has turned up only these 45 minutes against Lazio; must now deal with the fact that his above average performance may only have been possible because the (at least) 6 better madrid players had already gone out and won the game.

Which kind of leaves you back at square one.
Your arguements are simply pathetic. Besides my own take on the game, many sources thought Robben had an exceptional performance, you're the only one that thinks he was just good, and all of a sudden your opinion is above everyone elses. That's absolutely comical. I'm glad you determine who is right and 'wrong'.

ONCE AGAIN I'm reiterating the same point. Robben was not the best player in the Lazio game nor was he in the top 5. He did however have an above average game coming on as a sub. So you repeating that NO ONE chose him as their top 3, proves nothing and only makes you look inept at comprehending the post. The fact that you keep missing this point is beyond me, and proves a discussion with you is futile.