Best Striker in the World now

[Hendrixforpope]

And full credit to you for the snide comment that completely misses the point that while he has had a few lean seasons (for a variety of reasons) he is still worshipped by us because ...well because he is God.

He hasn't been "God" for quite some time (if he ever was :D). I give him props though for what he's done so far this season.

[JuveFE]

He hasn't been "God" for quite some time (if he ever was :D). I give him props though for what he's done so far this season.

Raul=Real Madrid God

Every madrid fan looooooves Raul. And its been like that for the past 10-12 years. He'll never leave Real.

Didn't Raul and Casillas just sign a contract that would keep them there for the rest of there career?

[macaluca]

Raul=Real Madrid God

Every madrid fan looooooves Raul. And its been like that for the past 10-12 years. He'll never leave Real.

Didn't Raul and Casillas just sign a contract that would keep them there for the rest of there career?

Yes they have...with Guti to follow next week.

And 'ding ding ding' we have a winner, finally someone gets it.

[Hendrixforpope]

The real God of Real Madrid is Casillas.

[JuveFE]

The real God of Real Madrid is Casillas.

He's more like jesus right now. :)

Raul will always be loved and looked at as a god. Just look at how much he has won with them and that will tell you

[phil80]

Full credit to Raul for finally hitting double figures in the league after being incapable of doing so in the three seasons prior to this one...



I never doubted what he 'could' do given the right circumstances but the fact remains that he is incredibly inconsistent, very injury prone and can be easily rendered irrelevant by good defending. I do like how you posted what you did after his first good game in god knows how long. Come back to me when he makes a difference on a regular basis and against sides that are not mediocre.



Van Nistelrooy is the better striker and Rooney is the better support striker. Knowing the difference between their two roles is key.
You're mistaken, he's had other good games for Madrid, but he was exceptional last game. The fact that he's been injured does not take away from his impact and potential when he's on the field (and he is not a hinderence as you and mrtwix claim).
As far as strikers go, Ibrahimovic is currently the most impressive.

[macaluca]

You're mistaken, he's had other good games for Madrid, but he was exceptional last game.

He has had one other 'reasonable' game for Madrid (at home to Betis)..other than that he has been distinctly average in the few games he has managed.

As for the last game...he was very good against Valladolid but the 'exceptional' performance was put in by Guti, not him. Add to that, the fact that Valladolid defended so suicidally far up the pitch that the keeper needed his mobile to contact the back four, and I'd rather wait a while before judging Robben in Madrid.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

And full credit to you for the snide comment that completely misses the point that while he has had a few lean seasons (for a variety of reasons) he is still worshipped by us because ...well because he is God.

It's not a snide comment at all. Care to dispute the accuracy of what I posted? The fact remains that Raul has been poor over the last three full seasons and there is no getting away from that. He is not the player he once was and no amount of irrelevant claims of worship or supporter love can change that. He clearly does not merit mention in this tread.

You're mistaken, he's had other good games for Madrid, but he was exceptional last game. The fact that he's been injured does not take away from his impact and potential when he's on the field (and he is not a hinderence as you and mrtwix claim).
As far as strikers go, Ibrahimovic is currently the most impressive.

See below.

Robben was a hindrance for Holland, as was Van Persie on the opposite flank and the mediocre Sneijder behind them. His impact even when fully fit is also inconsistent.

He has had one other 'reasonable' game for Madrid (at home to Betis)..other than that he has been distinctly average in the few games he has managed.

As for the last game...he was very good against Valladolid but the 'exceptional' performance was put in by Guti, not him. Add to that, the fact that Valladolid defended so suicidally far up the pitch that the keeper needed his mobile to contact the back four, and I'd rather wait a while before judging Robben in Madrid.

Thanks for proving phil80 incorrect, as usual.

[phil80]

He has had one other 'reasonable' game for Madrid (at home to Betis)..other than that he has been distinctly average in the few games he has managed.

As for the last game...he was very good against Valladolid but the 'exceptional' performance was put in by Guti, not him. Add to that, the fact that Valladolid defended so suicidally far up the pitch that the keeper needed his mobile to contact the back four, and I'd rather wait a while before judging Robben in Madrid.
I'll take it you missed the Lazio and Alicante games, and their last match Guti was arguably the best player, but a goal and two assists (for Robben) while regaining match fitness is an exceptional performance

[phil80]

It's not a snide comment at all. Care to dispute the accuracy of what I posted? The fact remains that Raul has been poor over the last three full seasons and there is no getting away from that. He is not the player he once was and no amount of irrelevant claims of worship or supporter love can change that. He clearly does not merit mention in this tread.



See below.

Robben was a hindrance for Holland, as was Van Persie on the opposite flank and the mediocre Sneijder behind them. His impact even when fully fit is also inconsistent.



Thanks for proving phil80 incorrect, as usual.
To the contrary, absolutely nothing was proven, do try to keep up.

[Livecom365]

In the box no one does it better than RVN. Outside the box I give my vote to Trez, he's absolute money for his value and I have no clue what Dom is thinking about possibly leaving him off the France squad for euro08.

I do have a soft spot for Eto, based off his performances at ACF this past month and I think he'll inflame La Liga again.

[macaluca]

It's not a snide comment at all. Care to dispute the accuracy of what I posted? The fact remains that Raul has been poor over the last three full seasons and there is no getting away from that. He is not the player he once was and no amount of irrelevant claims of worship or supporter love can change that. He clearly does not merit mention in this tread.


Care to notice that I've not put him forward for mention in this thread...other than as being 'God', which obviously has more to do with my support than a serious football (or theological) argument.
To try and treat my comments as me putting him up for consideration, as well as the tone of your writing make it very much a snide comment.

However, if you want me to put him up for consideration...

Yes he's had three bad seasons, coinciding with Madrid having 3 bad seasons...a couple of them while struggling with injuries and all three of them while playing predominantly not as a striker, out wide or in what amounted to a midfield role....that does not make him a bad player or lessen the huge impact he has made in the rest of his career. To write him off for that and to ignore the other 11 hugely successful seasons is pretty weak.

If we are seriously going to discuss whether he merits mention, well his overall career figures and titles, put him head and shoulders above 90% of the other strikers mentioned here, but correct me if I'm wrong, the thread title is who is the best striker 'now'.
So seeing as you (and me) have both been pushing Ruud, why not compare their seasons? 14 goals for Raul and 16 for Ruud in all competitions gives Ruud the slight advantage, but its certainly not a huge difference and one that can easily be explained in terms of how they play together in the team...and most Madridistas would tell you that Raul has generally been putting in the better performances of the two this season...and while not quite at his peak, he is certainly back to very near his best.
If we are talking 'now' and I see the names Henry, Ruud, Etoo, Robben, Drogba, Messi, Trezeguet being mentioned, then it is apparent that Raul clearly does merit mention in this thread.

However I'm prepared to settle for him being God and to leave it at that.

[macaluca]

I'll take it you missed the Lazio and Alicante games, and their last match Guti was arguably the best player, but a goal and two assists (for Robben) while regaining match fitness is an exceptional performance

I'd like to know how you saw the Alicante game because the only streams that came up were as far as I'm aware during the second half.
But OK so Robben provided two very good moments mixed with a dreadful first half, an admittedly better second half and a bollocking from Guti(who again was MotM)...all against opposition from Segunda B.:rolleyes:

Against Lazio (and I take it you mean the home leg when he played just the second half not his poor performance in the away leg) he came on with a defeated lazio already 3-0 down and the game already won and turned in a decent cameo against dispirited opposition going out of the CL. Decent but not spectacular. Seeing as I compile the motm votes in the forum I can tell you 6 players picked up votes in that game as being in peoples top 3 players...Robben was not one of them.

[phil80]

One thing that you have to understand is i never claimed he was MOTM for any of the games. Re-read my posts, i said he put in a good performance for the Lazio game but never said he was MOTM, so you bringing up no one chose him is irrelevant. (And before you said he was average for other games and now you are saying he had a decent performance? )
Against Valladoliod, Robben did more than his goal and assists. He looked confident on the dribble and did a good job opening up space. More than one player can have an exceptional performance, especially when a team wins 7-0

[macaluca]

One thing that you have to understand is i never claimed he was MOTM for any of the games. Re-read my posts, i said he put in a good performance for the Lazio game but never said he was MOTM, so you bringing up no one chose him is irrelevant. (And before you said he was average for other games and now you are saying he had a decent performance? )
Against Valladoliod, Robben did more than his goal and assists. He looked confident on the dribble and did a good job opening up space. More than one player can have an exceptional performance, especially when a team wins 7-0

Firstly I'm glad we've dropped the Alicante nonsense.

Secondly I said 'decent cameo' that is not the same as saying he had a good game....he did some good things, some poor things (a dreadful pass when more or less clean through springs to mind)...overall he was decent enough in his small cameo...decent enough, nothing more...again I emphasise against defeated opposition.

Thirdly, I cannot stress enough that Valladolid's defending was so awful I'm sure we could all have got together and put some goals past them. The reason we scored 7 had as much to do with them as us.

As for what I have put in bold...you are kidding right? He did not have to open any space, no Madrid player did...Valladolid drew an imaginary box from the area to the halfway line and tried to defend without setting foot inside it. A forty tonne blue whale would have found enough space to invite a few friends round to chill together in the middle of that defence.

Finally, regarding the motm...people vote for their top 3 players...not one person thought he was amongst the best 3 Madrid players of the night.
The fact that 6 others did get votes, indicates that by general consensus he was at best the 7th most effective madrid player of the night.

I'm not trying to have a go at Robben, I really hope he does go on to be massive for us...but at the moment he still has some big question marks against him and not much of a season behind him.
Let's hope he does turn in an exceptional performance tonight (though again the opposition is weak) and continues to do so against weak and strong alike for the rest of the year.

[phil80]

Firstly I'm glad we've dropped the Alicante nonsense.

Secondly I said 'decent cameo' that is not the same as saying he had a good game....he did some good things, some poor things (a dreadful pass when more or less clean through springs to mind)...overall he was decent enough in his small cameo...decent enough, nothing more...again I emphasise against defeated opposition.

Thirdly, I cannot stress enough that Valladolid's defending was so awful I'm sure we could all have got together and put some goals past them. The reason we scored 7 had as much to do with them as us.

As for what I have put in bold...you are kidding right? He did not have to open any space, no Madrid player did...Valladolid drew an imaginary box from the area to the halfway line and tried to defend without setting foot inside it. A forty tonne blue whale would have found enough space to invite a few friends round to chill together in the middle of that defence.

Finally, regarding the motm...people vote for their top 3 players...not one person thought he was amongst the best 3 Madrid players of the night.
The fact that 6 others did get votes, indicates that by general consensus he was at best the 7th most effective madrid player of the night.

I'm not trying to have a go at Robben, I really hope he does go on to be massive for us...but at the moment he still has some big question marks against him and not much of a season behind him.
Let's hope he does turn in an exceptional performance tonight (though again the opposition is weak) and continues to do so against weak and strong alike for the rest of the year.
First, no one dropped the Alicante match, I saw the game and Robben scored and had an assist on top of showing great moments as they went on to win 2-1. How can you dispute his influence in that game?
Second, saying someone had a decent performance is different from saying they were average (which you said he was for all other games) so which is it?
Third, the opposition was not strong but Robben was impressive on ball and dribbled well to create space, that too is indisputable if someone watched him closely.
Finally, which game are you referring to about MOTM?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

To the contrary, absolutely nothing was proven, do try to keep up.

No, just a Real Madrid fan fundamentally disagreeing with everything you have tried to claim.

In the box no one does it better than RVN. Outside the box I give my vote to Trez, he's absolute money for his value and I have no clue what Dom is thinking about possibly leaving him off the France squad for euro08.

I do have a soft spot for Eto, based off his performances at ACF this past month and I think he'll inflame La Liga again.

There are numerous better strikers who operate outside the box. Trezeguet is a very good finisher but the rest of his game, notably outside the box, is not up to scratch. It's one of the main reasons why he does not feature for France.

Care to notice that I've not put him forward for mention in this thread...other than as being 'God', which obviously has more to do with my support than a serious football (or theological) argument.
To try and treat my comments as me putting him up for consideration, as well as the tone of your writing make it very much a snide comment.

However, if you want me to put him up for consideration...

Yes he's had three bad seasons, coinciding with Madrid having 3 bad seasons...a couple of them while struggling with injuries and all three of them while playing predominantly not as a striker, out wide or in what amounted to a midfield role....that does not make him a bad player or lessen the huge impact he has made in the rest of his career. To write him off for that and to ignore the other 11 hugely successful seasons is pretty weak.

If we are seriously going to discuss whether he merits mention, well his overall career figures and titles, put him head and shoulders above 90% of the other strikers mentioned here, but correct me if I'm wrong, the thread title is who is the best striker 'now'.
So seeing as you (and me) have both been pushing Ruud, why not compare their seasons? 14 goals for Raul and 16 for Ruud in all competitions gives Ruud the slight advantage, but its certainly not a huge difference and one that can easily be explained in terms of how they play together in the team...and most Madridistas would tell you that Raul has generally been putting in the better performances of the two this season...and while not quite at his peak, he is certainly back to very near his best.
If we are talking 'now' and I see the names Henry, Ruud, Etoo, Robben, Drogba, Messi, Trezeguet being mentioned, then it is apparent that Raul clearly does merit mention in this thread.

However I'm prepared to settle for him being God and to leave it at that.

So you freely admit to having brought Raul's name into a discussion regarding the best current strikers in the world. It's good you made that admission early in your post. It's also great that you admit Raul has been poor over the last three full seasons and that his level of performance is nowhere near what it used to be. Quite why you chose to originally mention him in this thread when you already accept that he clearly does not merit inclusion is baffling to say the least. If you wish to discuss this season then feel free but the fact remains that Van Nistelrooy has played less games than Raul but has scored more goals and has more assists. Proof of this can be found on your official site. Of the other names you listed I have disputed the inclusion of all bar Van Nistelrooy and Trezeguet, although my thoughts on the latter can be seen above. Just because others have made stupid suggestions does not make it right for you to do similar. Judging by your posts above you are better than that.

[rochester rhinos]

Come back and talk to me when you've learnt how to construct an understandable sentence.Yeah friend if Fernando Torres had stayed in Madrid he would've been god and Raul would be a mediocre stk with no pace.:rolleyes:

[Hendrixforpope]

Yeah friend if Fernando Torres had stayed in Madrid he would've been god and Raul would be a mediocre stk with no pace.:rolleyes:

:confused: You just quoted yourself.

[rochester rhinos]

:confused: You just quoted yourself.no I edited my statement so it could be more understandable.I misspelled would've and cannot edit my post because I have a yellow card