Best Striker in the World now

[KumarsS]

the best striker in serie a is trezeguet. look at the stats

That logic would make the best striker in the Bundesliga...Rafael van der Vaart?

[Raul-7]

Samuel Eto'o

[SectionX]

piss off english fans who say rooney. That overrated shrek will never live up to the hype. Oh and english national team will forever suck, piss off!

[XSempreJuveX]

That logic would make the best striker in the Bundesliga...Rafael van der Vaart?

well thats a strikers job to score. not only that but he scores when needed and opens up the space.

[phil80]

Super Pippo's UEFA record includes the Intertoto Tournament. :rolleyes:



Not at all.
Exactly, nothing useful to contribute when you are proved wrong

[XSempreJuveX]

That logic would make the best striker in the Bundesliga...Rafael van der Vaart?
and hey its not like van der vaart is a horrible player either.

[Blitzwing]

and hey its not like van der vaart is a horrible player either.

Haha that's just because he might move to Juve!:D

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Exactly, nothing useful to contribute when you are proved wrong

We are discussing strikers and their international form was mentioned. To not consider what would impact on that would be retarded. The Dutch system that Van Basten used completely failed first Van Nistelrooy and then Kuyt during the last WC. The blame for that lies with the tandem of Robben, Van Persie and Sneijder who were useless and did not play a team game. They failed in their job and nothing you can say will change that fact. Robben running (and being forced) into dead ends because he is ball greedy and one footed does not equate to a good performance.

[johan neeskens]

Robben, like Van Persie and Sneijder, was useless .

You have got to be kidding me. Did you actually watch the Holland group games?

[johan neeskens]

We are discussing strikers and their international form was mentioned. To not consider what would impact on that would be retarded. The Dutch system that Van Basten used completely failed first Van Nistelrooy and then Kuyt during the last WC. The blame for that lies with the tandem of Robben, Van Persie and Sneijder who were useless and did not play a team game. They failed in their job and nothing you can say will change that fact. Robben running (and being forced) into dead ends because he is ball greedy and one footed does not equate to a good performance.

Far be it from me to disagree with you on anything Ruud-related, but truth is that our beloved Ruud has struggled in the 4-3-3 system that the Dutch national team has played long before Van Basten took over the management job. It just doesn't suit him, just like it didn't suit Makaay and Hasselbaink in the past. That doesn't make him less of a high-quality striker btw.

Robben and Van Persie were the two highlights in that Dutch side in the group games. How you can deny that is baffling. If the Dutch were universally rubbish, how do you suppose they progressed to the next round then, from what was labelled as the group of death? Was it all down to Andre Ooijer and Barry Opdam?

[phil80]

We are discussing strikers and their international form was mentioned. To not consider what would impact on that would be retarded. The Dutch system that Van Basten used completely failed first Van Nistelrooy and then Kuyt during the last WC. The blame for that lies with the tandem of Robben, Van Persie and Sneijder who were useless and did not play a team game. They failed in their job and nothing you can say will change that fact. Robben running (and being forced) into dead ends because he is ball greedy and one footed does not equate to a good performance.
Nothing I say will change YOUR 'facts' because the evidence is in the group stage games. Robben in particular dominated the group stage games and made an incredible splitting pass to find RVN against Ivory Coast for their goal, meaning he supplied the forward, just as he did several times against serbia. The fact that you choose not to believe that is your own shortcoming. Unlike you, Neeskans and anyone who watched the games would refute that skewed analysis on the Dutch wingers in particular Robben.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Robben and Van Persie were the two highlights in that Dutch side in the group games. How you can deny that is baffling. If the Dutch were universally rubbish, how do you suppose they progressed to the next round then, from what was labelled as the group of death? Was it all down to Andre Ooijer and Barry Opdam?

I've had this argument before on the Dutch board (no doubt with yourself) and I refuse to change my stance. When you are playing with a lone striker it is crucial to support him. Neither Robben, Van Persie nor Sneijder did that effectively. The former duo because they continually went on hero runs and lost the ball and the latter because he simply played poorly. Both of the strikers you used failed as a direct result (although Ruud did score off one of the handful of chances he had all tournament). It was a failing of the named attacking midfield trio and Van Basten for not realising what the problem was and fixing it. The clown dropped his best striker and it unsurprisingly changed nothing.

[Mojam5]

Right now- Ibrahimovic...in a few years- Benzema

[johan neeskens]

I've had this argument before on the Dutch board (no doubt with yourself) and I refuse to change my stance. When you are playing with a lone striker it is crucial to support him. Neither Robben, Van Persie nor Sneijder did that effectively. The former duo because they continually went on hero runs and lost the ball and the latter because he simply played poorly. Both of the strikers you used failed as a direct result (although Ruud did score off one of the handful of chances he had all tournament). It was a failing of the named attacking midfield trio and Van Basten for not realising what the problem was and fixing it. The clown dropped his best striker and it unsurprisingly changed nothing.

I completely agree that Van Basten is a tactical dimwit and that Ruud is far, far more effective in a 4-4-2, everybody knows that and in Holland we've been crying out for it for years. We all hate Van Basten, as you probably know. What I'm arguing against is you stating that Robben and Van Persie were to blame.

Fact is that in that specific tournament we played in a 4-3-3, a system almost entirely dedicated to making the most of Arjen Robben's and Robin van Persie's qualities on the wing. Calling them selfish would be similar to accusing Maradona of being selfish. Not that Robben and Van Persie are of the same quality, but you get my point. Their ability to make hero runs is why they were in that squad in the first place, it was their role, and they did it well in my view. As for Ruud, he didn't get any service whatsoever during that entire tournament and that wasn't his fault. The only thing he could've done better is drop back a bit more, but then again, he was probably under strict instructions to stay put.

What's interesting in that regard is that at Real he's getting much more freedom than he ever got at ManU or indeed Holland and in Madrid he's allowed to show that he's a much more complete footballer than some people think he is.

[Belgian guy]

Eto'o. I know he just returned from his injury, but anyone who saw his goal this weekend knows what I'm talking about. He'll prove me right in the weeks to come.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Fact is that in that specific tournament we played in a 4-3-3, a system almost entirely dedicated to making the most of Arjen Robben's and Robin van Persie's qualities on the wing. Calling them selfish would be similar to accusing Maradona of being selfish. Not that Robben and Van Persie are of the same quality, but you get my point. Their ability to make hero runs is why they were in that squad in the first place, it was their role, and they did it well in my view. As for Ruud, he didn't get any service whatsoever during that entire tournament and that wasn't his fault. The only thing he could've done better is drop back a bit more, but then again, he was probably under strict instructions to stay put.

Wing forwards are required to support the lone striker. Neither Robben nor Van Persie did that. Wing forwards are also required to provide an offensive outlet themselves. Robben and Van Persie even struggled with that.

Eto'o. I know he just returned from his injury, but anyone who saw his goal this weekend knows what I'm talking about. He'll prove me right in the weeks to come.

The only reason he has not been mentioned to any great degree was injury. He's clearly a top 3 striker. Who you select as your best depends entirely on what style of play you prefer. My three would be Van Nistelrooy, Ibrahimovic and Eto'o.

[johan neeskens]

Wing forwards are required to support the lone striker. Neither Robben nor Van Persie did that. Wing forwards are also required to provide an offensive outlet themselves. Robben and Van Persie even struggled with that.


I guess that's why they both scored?

[phil80]

I guess that's why they both scored?
And that's why Robben dominated Serbia, and gave Nistelrooy a break away with Ivory Coast's keeper.
Yeah, completely ineffective.

[monsieur untel]

would agree eto is bad right now but based on season performance benzema is the best.

[KumarsS]

would agree eto is bad right now but based on season performance benzema is the best.

What? Eto'o was fine against Valencia. He scored a brace that effectively ended the game for Valencia.