France v Suisse (8th Oct) - WC Qualifying [R]

[ilferrari]

Come on France, you'll be fine. Just take care of your business on Wednesday and you're in. Cyprus SUX, they're only good at making Gyro sandwhiches.

By all accounts Cyprus gave the Irish the hiding France failed to give them a month ago and were unlucky to lose. I wouldn't assume France have them, this is not the spectacular French team of 2000-2001, this is the mediocre team of 2005.

Also, as someone that lives in Cyprus (i'm in Limassol, couldn't be bothered to fight with the Irish to drive up to Nicosia), the Cypriots make more than good Gyros doners... like.... they make great ice frappe.... :)

[SwissGCZ]

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I agree that victory was in the air, but we lacked enough "100% chances" to truly claim we deserved to win.

PS: the ref was OK in my opinion.

[jambon-beurre]

1. You guys deserved a red card @ the12th min, Makelele He wasn't the last defender, and he played the ball. There's no scandal in giving him a yellow card only.
2. 63td minutes Gallas made a hand ball, should be penalty for us.
??? he wasn't in the box, and that was unwitting.
3. Point 1 and 2 you are lucky you are a great team so the referee was on your side. It's not because the whole stadium shouts, while the referee don't whistle after something's happened on the pitch, that the referee is bad and "on our side". (I would rather say it's the stadium which is on your side :D)
4. Our goal was lucky, maybe but NOT so lucky................... Ludo Magnin scored 3 goals (same angle) exactly like that with Werder Breme. OK, then.
5. First corner for Switzerland, Vonlanthen almost scored but Coupet denied. (Goal, offside from FREI) They were both offside on the first pass, and Frei was 2 meters offside when he shot at the goal.
- 26th minutes, FREI shot from 30m... 10 meters off target
- 30th minutes Coupet stopped Vonlanthen... not even a shot, and no handball from Coupet.
- 21 min a missile from Barnetta almost got in... almost got in but off target ...
- 39min, Coupet saved France from a shot Ludo Magnin Don't remember but probably true.
- 65th min Gygax got a header but Coupet got it... got it easily, so that's 1 shot on target.
- Do you want more examples :D
The last example is that last free-kick from Magnin a few minutes before the end looking very much like the goal (= 2 shots on target).
We dominated the game and were dangerous, but didn't deserve to win? :D
France had like 3 goals on target during the entire game...

You dominated the first half, especially the first 20 minutes, after that was pretty balanced and overall you were dominated in the 2nd half.

Let's take a look at the statistics (got them from my newspasper today) :

---------------- Switzerland ------- France
possession -------- 43% ------------- 57%
shots -------------- 8 --------------- 10
shots on target ---- 2 ---------------- 4
saves -------------- 2 --------------- 3
fouls -------------- 16 --------------- 19
corners ------------ 3 ---------------- 9
offsides ------------ 4 ---------------- 2

And you call that domination !!? D'oh !

Damn, it took me a long time to post that, but I can't stand these overproud supporters when their team just pulled out a good match against a bigger one !

[SwissGCZ]

Let's take a look at the statistics (got them from my newspasper today) :

---------------- Switzerland ------- France
possession -------- 43% ------------- 57%
shots -------------- 8 --------------- 10
shots on target ---- 2 ---------------- 4
saves -------------- 2 --------------- 3
fouls -------------- 16 --------------- 19
corners ------------ 3 ---------------- 9
offsides ------------ 4 ---------------- 2

And you call that domination !!? D'oh !
Statistics only tell half the truth and you know that. We had several "half-chances" but not enough clear-cut ones as I pointed out earlier. As for small-team supporters being overly proud, don't tell me you don't slightly lose perspective when Lorient pulls out a result against one of the the big ones. ;)

Anyway, a draw was fair. End of story.

[jambon-beurre]

Statistics only tell half the truth and you know that. We had several "half-chances" but not enough clear-cut ones as I pointed out earlier. As for small-team supporters being overly proud, don't tell me you don't slightly lose perspective when Lorient pulls out a result against one of the the big ones. ;)

Anyway, a draw was fair. End of story.

A draw was fair, exactly. I wasn't talking about you concerning overly proud supporters, I was talking about those who can't recognize the match was balanced even though the Swiss had a better match than us yesterday. Like in this article : http://www.lematin.ch/nwmatinhome/nwmatinheadsport/sport_football/la_suisse_ira_en_finale.html
Le verdict aurait-il été différent si M. Hauge avait sorti le carton rouge qui s'imposait lorsque Makelele sécha Frei en début de match? Dans le même ordre d'idée, l'arbitre norvégien oublia un penalty flagrant sur une main baladeuse de Gallas (63e), avant de fermer ensuite les yeux sur une faute de Thuram. A se demander si, commercialement parlant, la France, comme protégée par les arbitres, ne doit pas être à tout prix en Allemagne...

N'en déplaise à nos célèbres voisins renvoyés à leur suffisance, la Suisse du foot existe


Geez, that last sentence...http://www.stuntlife.com/forums/images/smilies/banghead.gif

Btw, Lorient is a great team :D

[SwissGCZ]

Geez, that last sentence...

Maybe the Romand press sees things differently. We (Deutsch-Schweiz) didn't even talk about the penalty scene or the ref.

Things might have been different if we had played Germany though... :D

[lefutur]

I was disappointed with France's play overall although I recognize that Domenech should share alot of the blame. Playing the whole first half without a pure striker on the field? whats that all about?? Wiltord didnt have a very good game and he should have been replaced at the half NOT Dhorasso, who looked dangerous! :mad:

The second half was better in terms of attacking but really not the type of style I expect from Les Bleus. Zizou didnt have a great game but why should every match depend on him? I think Sagnol's absence hurt us over all as well. I like Revelliere but he didnt really impress me yesterday. And the left side is still a weakness with Gallas unable to really penetrate and cross the way a pure left back should. I think France really needs Abidal or Evra there in the future.

France really needs to be much stronger against Cypus if they expect to score the amount of goals needed to help their goal differential.

[lefutur]

i hate this coach. Domenech m'enerve vraiment. Why not put cisse and giuly. Il est un con ce coach..

C'est vrai ca

[Ami05]

Switzerland won the first half, France showed resolve in the second half. either way... Swiss need a tie or win against ireland and france needs to win against cyprus and they both take spot 1 and 2. I think everyone was expecting Frei to score....he's an amazing player,,, I wish Cisse would of started. Such is life.

[Nanbawan]

Geez, that last sentence...http://www.stuntlife.com/forums/images/smilies/banghead.gif



Journalists incompetence is a worldwide plague. Pfft, anyway he wrote what his readers wanted to read : Same Old Sh...

[lefutur]

Patrick Vieira has apologized for his performance against the Swiss.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldFootballNews&storyID=URI:urn:newsml:reuters.com:20051009:MTFH13889_2005-10-09_14-41-32_SER950461:1

He also refused to answer questions that he wasnt 100% fit. :confused:

What's going on with the health of this squad? Is anyone NOT injured in some way shape or form?

All I know is if Ireland play the Swiss the way the played Cyprus they can kiss the game goodbye. Man they were horrible.

As for France, I just hope they score a few goals on wednesday. 4-0 seems pretty much impossible at this point.

[jambon-beurre]

Journalists incompetence is a worldwide plague. Pfft, anyway he wrote what his readers wanted to read : Same Old Sh...

Yeah, probably incompetence, because I checked Le Temps, which is another romand newspaper and their articles were much more pertinent, not bringing out again the same old clichés about sufficiency, etc... and not being so overbiased (I still wonder where did he see a "flagrant penalty" ...)

[KUBI_nu11]

Damn, it took me a long time to post that, but I can't stand these overproud supporters when their team just pulled out a good match against a bigger one !


Well, I think the refree was clearly on your side, I don't understand that nobody admits that. Yes, I am a proud fan but not overproud like most French supporter :p

A desperate takle from behind deserves a red card regardless... The newspaper L' Equipe clearly admits it should have been a red card so it's not only me who says it.

Now, to be fair I will admit that France deserved the draw because you played a little better second half. :)

[jambon-beurre]

Well, I think the refree was clearly on your side, I don't understand that nobody admits that. Yes, I am a proud fan but not overproud like most French supporter :p

Nobody admits that probably because it was not true. (hmm ?)


A desperate takle from behind deserves a red card regardless... The newspaper L' Equipe clearly admits it should have been a red card so it's not only me who says it.

I read l'Equipe today and they said the exact opposite. They said he wasn't the last defender, and that Makelele touched Volanthen's ankle and the ball, so a red card would have been harsh.
Moreover it was the 12th minute, if that tackle had been made at the 70th minute, the referee would have probably been more tempted to give a red card ...


Now, to be fair I will admit that France deserved the draw because you played a little better second half. :)

Aaaaaah *relief*, I like to hear that, thx ! :D

[SwissGCZ]

Nobody admits that probably because it was not true. (hmm ?)
I'm gonna have to agree with croque–monsieu....errr....jambon-beurre here. I just didn't see it, nothing blatant anyway. The foul on Vonlanthen was a definite yellow but a straight red would have been on the harsh side.

[Nanbawan]

The foul on Vonlanthen was a definite yellow but a straight red would have been on the harsh side.


You were reading in my mind ! ;)

[KUBI_nu11]

Well here is what the Swiss trainer thinks and I agree with him :p

«La Suisse reste une petite équipe aux yeux des arbitres. Il faut s'y faire, les grandes nations sont avantagées, comme protégées. Moi, j'avais vu rouge contre Makelele. Mais il est plus dur d'expulser une star comme Makelele qu'un p'tit Suisse anonyme.»

Basically: "Switzerland is considered as a small team by the referees. We have to get use to this, the bigger team always have that advantage. As for myself, I saw a red card against Makelele. But it's harder to give a red card to Makelele than to a Swiss player that they don't know about"

And by the way, the referee Urs Meier from Switzerland said he would have gave a red card to Makelele. And don't tell thats bias :D

[Nanbawan]

Well here is what the Swiss trainer thinks and I agree with him :p



Of all persons, he must be the less partial of course... :rolleyes: I think did not issue a red card because it would have been too harsh, and Makelele was hardly the last defender, that's all. It's a non-issue IMO.

[KUBI_nu11]

Of all persons, he must be the less partial of course... :rolleyes: I think did not issue a red card because it would have been too harsh, and Makelele was hardly the last defender, that's all. It's a non-issue IMO.


I am sorry but the rule by itself is not clear at all. In my non-bias opinion :rolleyes: a takle from behind like that is a red card.

But lets put it this way, at the end it was a yellow and too bad for Switzerland.

[jambon-beurre]

I am sorry but the rule by itself is not clear at all. In my non-bias opinion :rolleyes: a takle from behind like that is a red card.

But lets put it this way, at the end it was a yellow and too bad for Switzerland.

Anyway, what I've learned from the reading of the Swiis press today is : how dare can they call us jingoists ?
They brought out everything they could : bad refereeing, flagrant penalty (apparently involuntary handballs count now), Zidane "shut down" by Vogel (he's just been average like he's been average since more than a year), Kuhn's "they were scared", "we're not the little Swiss anymore", etc etc ... boasting pages after pages, fewwww ... C'mon Ireland, make them get back to Earth ! :D