OK, so again, how would YOU make a World Club Championshiop?

[Crowdie]

Who would want to see the LA Galaxy - Real Madrid match?? How embarrassing. FIFA is ridiculous sometimes.


I would. There are several Kiwis in the LA Galaxy roster.

Real Madrid wouldn't field their 1st team for this. They would field their reserves and 2nd team and this would give them a run.


That would cut at least 6 games a season for the best clubs.

The world club cup, could then procede, 16 teams, held directly after the european january break. 4 teams from europe, 4 fom South america, 2 from North america, 2 africa, 2 asia, one from Oceana, and the reigning champion, held every two years. straight knockout comp.


The Oceania team could be the winner of the National Soccer League (NSL) in Australia as players from all around Oceania play in that tournament or it could be a "Best of NSL" team.


Who in their right mind would Wants to play in that tournament? What For?? To prove what??? Europe and South American has the Intercontinental Cup which has been played since 1960! Let the Other confederation wrestle with it.


You are missing the point. FIFA is trying to give the smaller confederations more experience against the larger confederations so that in the future the soccer world is more even than it currently is. UEFA is trying to maintain the status quo as they would lose power if the soccer world was more even. UEFA just wants their tournaments and the World Cup. The rest of the soccer world can "go to hell" as far as they are concerned. Not a great attitude at all.

Crowdie.

[Oscar]

I still don't see why it's somehow UEFA's task to help other federations grow? It isn't.

And it's not about wanting the rest of the feds to 'go to hell', it's more of a 'this dumbass tournament won't make us any money at all'


If FIFA give the winners £20,000,000 then you'll see the Euro clubs suddenly take an interest

[RichardL]

Originally posted by Crowdie
Real Madrid wouldn't field their 1st team for this. They would field their reserves and 2nd team and this would give them a run.

If teams wouldn't send their best team then it's hardly a worthwhile tournament. How could anyone claim to be the best in the world because they've beaten Real Madrid's reserves in the final?



The Oceania team could be the winner of the National Soccer League (NSL) in Australia as players from all around Oceania play in that tournament or it could be a "Best of NSL" team.
It could not be a "best of" team as it's supposed to be a club tournament - not unless the other federations would be happy with a "Best of Serie A" side being in the tournament as well.



You are missing the point. FIFA is trying to give the smaller confederations more experience against the larger confederations so that in the future the soccer world is more even than it currently is
I believe those who run FIFA have two objectives for this tournament.

1. make more money
2. gain support and votes from Africa, asia, CONCACAF & Oceania to help keep them in power.

Face it, what really has promoting club football got to do with FIFA? Their concern is with the international game.

[Crowdie]

If teams wouldn't send their best team then it's hardly a worthwhile tournament. How could anyone claim to be the best in the world because they've beaten Real Madrid's reserves in the final?


You need to start thinking outside the "I'm better than you" space. If two teams both gain from playing each other where is the problem? The LA Galaxy (from your earlier example) would gain valuable experience and the Real Madrid reserves would get experience against a team from another confederation. I am not saying that this tournament would make the winner the so called "World Club Champion" as no tournament could do this due to the nature of soccer. To truely name a club the best club in the world the club would have to be involved in a tournament with games at least once a week over several months and that is just not practical.


I believe those who run FIFA have two objectives for this tournament.

1. make more money
2. gain support and votes from Africa, asia, CONCACAF & Oceania to help keep them in power.


So what you are saying is the fact that FIFA is organising a tournament that the AFC, CAF, CONCACAF and OFC want (that is 4 out of 6 confederations) is wrong? That means that you believe that the wishes of 2 confederations (at the most) should have preference over the wishes of 4!!!!

Interesting.

Crowdie.

[RichardL]

Originally posted by Crowdie
You need to start thinking outside the "I'm better than you" space. If two teams both gain from playing each other where is the problem? The LA Galaxy (from your earlier example) would gain valuable experience and the Real Madrid reserves would get experience against a team from another confederation. I am not saying that this tournament would make the winner the so called "World Club Champion" as no tournament could do this due to the nature of soccer. To truely name a club the best club in the world the club would have to be involved in a tournament with games at least once a week over several months and that is just not practical.

but the ONLY point of having a world club championship is to establish a world champion. If it's just about giving teams experience then they can just arrange their only friendly tournaments without having to involve FIFA.



So what you are saying is the fact that FIFA is organising a tournament that the AFC, CAF, CONCACAF and OFC want (that is 4 out of 6 confederations) is wrong? That means that you believe that the wishes of 2 confederations (at the most) should have preference over the wishes of 4!!!!

Interesting.

Crowdie.
No, what I'm saying is those at the head of FIFA only care about money and being re-elected. Think back to why the last tournament was cancelled. FIFA's marketting company collapsed. FIFA scrapped it because they wouldn't have made a nice big profit. They could have staged it anyway if they'd been that keen, but without the prospect of fattening their wallets they weren't interested.

[Black]

Originally posted by Crowdie

You are missing the point. FIFA is trying to give the smaller confederations more experience against the larger confederations so that in the future the soccer world is more even than it currently is.

How is a world tournament going to make any of the leagues from the other confederations any better. You dont see club teams from Matla all of a sudden become powerhouses just because they have a run in the UEFA cup.

Bottom line: Money is generally what spurs on the greatest clubs, no exposure to great clubs is going to improve any NSL team etc... maybe just embarass them

[Crowdie]

How is a world tournament going to make any of the leagues from the other confederations any better. You dont see club teams from Malta all of a sudden become powerhouses just because they have a run in the UEFA cup.


Just because you play a couple of games against better sides doesn't make you better overnight. The key is to have youngsters looking up at these players playing big name European sides and saying "I want to play soccer for xxx club" rather than playing rugby union or AFL. These players come through and they strengthen the quality of soccer in the smaller confederations. These players may end up playing in a UEFA league (they may even be spotted playing for xxx club against a UEFA team). It is all about opportunities.

Crowdie.

[SousaJP]

many good points and ideas have been posted on this thread. this is how I would make a World Club Cup championship.....

1) Expand the Toyota Cup to four teams (semifinals and final) played over a few days in Tokyo. Everyone knows this Cup exists and accepts it as the "world championship", so don't mess with that.

2) European and South American champs automatically qualify for the semifinals.

3) The other two teams are determined through single playoff games (ie. CONCACAF champ v. Oceania champ and Africa champ v. Asia champ). These match-ups would be rotated each year.

4) The "home" team for each playoff game is randomly selected at the draw for the qualifiers.

5) Toyota or FIFA or some other big corporation can offer serious prize money for the winning club and hopefully everyone will take it seriously.


I honestly think this would be the easiest way to make a true world championship a reality. we'd be looking at 6 teams and 5 total matches (3 of which would be in Tokyo). every confederation is represented. too bad it will never happen.

[Argentine Futbol]

This is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Europe and South America does not have time to play any other meaningless mini tournaments with 2nd rates rate teams. Thank God the Conmebol Officials have bluntly stated this!!! Especially in South America with the Super Copa starting again and newly Copa Sudamericana. Anyways South American team have not taking there best team to Tokyo in a long time. They sell there Players way before December comes around.

[Crowdie]

[quote]
This is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Europe and South America does not have time to play any other meaningless mini tournaments with 2nd rates rate teams.
[quote]

Me me me. What is in sport for me. Thank God that that Argentine Futbol is not running FIFA or only South American and European teams would be allowed at the World Cup!!!!

Crowdie.

[Oscar]

Me me me. What is in sport for me.

I don't see how that mentality is any different than what you are preaching, you talk about how some world club tournament would help smaller federations up the quality of their game in time ("me me me") which might be true or not, when such a competition brings nothing of value at all for the European or South American teams.

[Argentine Futbol]

Originally posted by Crowdie
[quote]
This is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Europe and South America does not have time to play any other meaningless mini tournaments with 2nd rates rate teams.
[quote]

Me me me. What is in sport for me. Thank God that that Argentine Futbol is not running FIFA or only South American and European teams would be allowed at the World Cup!!!!

Crowdie.

Are you sure about that?????????????????

[Argentine Futbol]

Originally posted by Oscar
I don't see how that mentality is any different than what you are preaching, you talk about how some world club tournament would help smaller federations up the quality of their game in time ("me me me") which might be true or not, when such a competition brings nothing of value at all for the European or South American teams.


You know 10 years agos nobody in the World outside South America could name all the big soccer clubs down here. Yeah , Its "ME, ME, ME" since I pay to go to the Games Of my Club and help out Financially as I do like all Club Members. Do I want to See MY FOOTBALL CLUB in some meaningless BULL. No!!!! I rather see My club playing in OUR (S.A) tournaments down here. Not Some Ridiculous Ping Pong.

[Nobby]

It is completely within FIFA's domain to organize intercontinental tournaments like the World Club Cup. Such a tournament can be so named provided the invitation is open to all confederations. Every club has the right to turn down its invitation. If clubs do refrain from attending it remains that the winner is indeed the club champion of the world. Remember that Uruguay is the World Cup champion of 1930 even though many of the top European teams refused to participate.

It is not required that the WWC be big, important or watched by all the world. Small tournaments take place all the time all over the world without resistance. Why is there resistance from UEFA and CONMEBOL to a FIFA WCC? Enthusiasm and apathy are appropriate responses to the idea. Anger is not.

[Argentine Futbol]

Like I have stated Before. Go have some mini tournament elsewhere. Why does everyone seem Bent on having UEFA and CONMEBOL Approval or participation????? We have our yearly Intercontinental cup yearly.

[SJJ]

Originally posted by comme
The world club cup, could then procede, 16 teams, held directly after the european january break. 4 teams from europe, 4 fom South america, 2 from North america, 2 africa, 2 asia, one from Oceana, and the reigning champion, held every two years. straight knockout comp.

I agreed with this format in my original post, except I put the Host Country as the last team, instead of the Holders.

As the (re)-creator of this thread, let me try to get back to the point of: how would you create a tournament that would work? It wasn't meant as a prolonged discussion of South America or Europe teams wanting or not wanting to participate.

[AFCA]

Originally posted by SJJ
how would you create a tournament that would work? It wasn't meant as a prolonged discussion of South America or Europe teams wanting or not wanting to participate.

A contradiction in terms... because without European and South American clubs it wouldn't be a real WC.

Face it. This tournament will never ever be something like the CL or the CL :D

[dawgpound2]

I think we all know soccer talent comes from every part of the globe. Let's get some clubs together and see who is the best. What is so patently wrong with this?


I propose Phil Anschutz (under the auspices of SUM) put up $50 million for a "winner-take-all" invitational tournament with the top 8-16 clubs on the planet.

4 groups of four. Group winners only advance to a one-and-done semi and final.

I bet Real Madrid would cart out the big boys for a chance at the $50 mil. And that would be cool to see more Americans have their chance to embarrass Luis Figo again!

[Guinho]

Originally posted by MFitz
The other regions need to rival Europe and to a lesser extent South America before anyone would take a World Club Championship seriously.

Should we point out AGAIN that DCU beat Vasco da Gama in the Interamerican Cup shortly after Vasco lost the Toyota Cup (to Real Madrid, I think). Properly, Real Madrid should have at least played DCU before trumpeting itself.

One of the two Mexican sides that have come into the Cope America has made it to the final (once) or semis (twice). I'd say that says that at least the concacaf teams are capable of challenging.

Furthermore, as has been pointed out before, the only time the European squads actually took to the pitch to settle the matter, they did not fare so well.

I'd say the case (entirely on the pitch) that it's not such a big gap between the big Euro squads and the other continental champions is stronger than the argument (almost entirely on paper). The sports played on grass, not paper!

G.

[Argentine Futbol]

Originally posted by Guinho
Should we point out AGAIN that DCU beat Vasco da Gama in the Interamerican Cup shortly after Vasco lost the Toyota Cup (to Real Madrid, I think). Properly, Real Madrid should have at least played DCU before trumpeting itself.
G.

DCU Played Vasco de Gama two after they came back from Asia And both games were played in the states. I have the games taped. Did Vasco actually want to play? Probably not. after losing to Real Madrid, who cares. I would have loved for them to have waited a week or two before playing and of Course One game in the USA and one game in Brazil. Whole different story.