GRAND THEFT. Fifa takes S. America spot

[SoccerScout]

>>Lucio
Fabio Rochemback
Dida
.....


Not THAT big stars if you ask me.>>>>

Yeah well I wouldnt ask you. Lucio a Starter on the WC Champ team is not a star...ok. Dida the backup Goalie on the WC team...not a star...right...

[vico]

Originally posted by AFCA
Not THAT big stars if you ask me.

But please continue. We already have NINE (I might have lost count between 4 and 7 though).

Is Lucio not a big star? He is the best defender in the world!!!

[Oscar]

Like it is BS to say that Spain is a good team just because Italy and Germany has done great at the WC scene

You're finally getting it. See people, given enough attention even the retards of today can learn a thing or two.

Since spanish footballers don't have talent they don't have a good WC record despite the fact that their league is among the best in the world (thanks to large amount of southamerican players over there)

I'd say it had more to do with the large amount of other Europeans playing over there, and I would be right.

It must be hard for spaniards to know that Chile has a better WC record than Spain

Actually, Chile doesn't even come up in our thoughts at all. Meh.

When Chile arranged the WC in 1962 they took bronze and that is something that Spain has never done.

They were the 2nd best loser? Wow. Something so un-important FIFA has actually thought about removing the match for the '3rd' place? Congrats!

What happened to Spain in 1982 Oscar? Please answer me!

Why are you so interested in the past? Is it because Chile can't even make it to a World Cup these days?

Yeah. Take that. :D

So yeah you are right

I always am, but good for you for realising it.

[AFCA]

If being a backup goalie is considered a star... yeah... the world of football is full of stars.

I'm talking about people that is talked about all the time, who are constantly in the spotlights at their club. You know what I mean.

So seriously. I would like some names, teams and positions. Because I really want to know the value of statements like 'without the Brazilians European teams would be shite' (or something in the way).

[AFCA]

"It must be hard for spaniards to know that Chile has a better WC record than Spain"

They do? Tell us all about it.

[Oscar]

Never heard about that before. Maybe it's a frequent excuse for the ignorants.
You should have finished school sonny before debating your views with grown people.

Gramps, I know you're getting senile in your old age, but that's no excuse for stupidity:

You:Sure, as you said before that's because you're smarter than me

Me:You know that they say people who use big words are trying to make themselves look smarter than they actually are right?

Now where did I say that I was smarter than you, the only one who wrote it was you (can't say you're wrong though)

[SoccerScout]

This was never intended on being a SA vs Euro thread. My problem is with ASIA and OCEANIA especially and even with AFrica and the 1/2 spot given to Concacaf.

But the thread has diverted to Euro v SA.

Ill tell you this and this is an AMAZING STAT on how subpar EURO soccer is when compared to South American soccer.

Out of the 8 WC's that Euro managed to win ONLY 4 were won outside of the Champs home, ZERO outside of Europe.

So Italy 34, England 66, Germany 74, France 98 were all won by the host nation.

17 Cups and only 4 times a Euro team won outside its own home. Brazil ALONE has won 5 outside of its home!!!

[vico]

Originally posted by Oscar

Why are you so interested in the past? Is it because Chile can't even make it to a World Cup these days?



I am not chilean...

Originally posted by Oscar
They were the 2nd best loser? Wow. Something so un-important FIFA has actually thought about removing the match for the '3rd' place? Congrats!


Spain has never been the 2nd best loser. They usually end up 14th best loser in the WC tournaments.

What I am saying is just that it is strange that a pretty lame team like Spain can qualify to WC after WC from Europe when south american teams with better WC record have to miss many tournaments because of the tougher qualifications.

What I am saying is just that among the teams that always qualify from Europe there are some lame 3rd-rated teams like Spain. Teams that can cause some upsets once in a while but most often get eliminated early. But the only teams that constantly qualifies from South America are Argentina and Brazil and they are from another Universe than Spain. If Spain deserves to be in every WC than you could say the same thing about Uruguay and Chile who both have done better at WC level than Spain.

[AFCA]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
Brazil ALONE has won 5 outside of its home!!!


Yeah... excluding all the other ehhhh ONE South American nation that has won a World Cup in 'recent' history (since it is actually called FIFA World Cup).

Boy oh boy... you're some piece of work.

[SoccerScout]

I want the Euro to grasp this FACT:

"17 Cups and only 4 times a Euro team won it outside its own home. Brazil ALONE has won 5 outside of its home!!!"

If that reality doesn't put the Euro's in their place, no reality will.

[AFCA]

Originally posted by vico
What I am saying is just that among the teams that always qualify from Europe there are some lame 3rd-rated teams like Spain. Teams that can cause some upsets once in a while but most often get eliminated early. But the only teams that constantly qualifies from South America are Argentina and Brazil and they are from another Universe than Spain. If Spain deserves to be in every WC than you could say the same thing about Uruguay and Chile who both have done better at WC level than Spain.

I'm not to impressed by Spain either. Never have been. They have never been considered a big European power over here too.

But why drag in Uruguay's performances 52 and 68 years ago? That's a bit too old don't you think?

And Chile? They were 2nd best loser once. What else did they do?

Please, if you want to discuss don't bring in irrelevant things that are ancient history. Keep it a little bit up to date.

[AFCA]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
I want the Euro to grasp this FACT:

"17 Cups and only 4 times a Euro team won it outside its own home. Brazil ALONE has won 5 outside of its home!!!"

If that reality doesn't put the Euro's in their place, no reality will.

Read my earlier post.

Brazil alone... then there's Uruguay (50 and 70 years ago) and Argentina. So what do you mean Brazil ALONE?

[SoccerScout]

Let me add to may previous FACTUAL statement:

Not only did Euro's only win 4 WC's outside of the champs own home, but ONLY 2 Euro's have EVER won a World Cup away from home. ONLY TWO, Italy and Germany.

WOW!


By Brazil alone...I mean...BRAZIL...ALONE....has won 5 world cups all AWAY from home. What dont you understand? IN all of Europe only Italy and Germany have won away from home, totalling 4 Cups.

By this data there is VERY VERY little chance that any EURO team other than Germany will win the 2006 WC.

[vico]

Originally posted by AFCA
Tell me why the 95 Ajax won the World Cup without any South Americans? Tell me why the 98 Brazil were lucky to make it to the final?

You're full of it. If you would just say that Brazil has a lot of talent... you're absolutely right. If you would say that some of the best footballers in the world come from Brazil... you're absolutely right.

But what you are screaming around here is BS.

And gimme some names of all those Brazilian superstars all across Europe.

Which european league has the highest number of southamerican players?

Which european league is considered to be the best?

The answer on those 2 questions is the same. Eat it!!

[AFCA]

Originally posted by vico
Which european league has the highest number of southamerican players?

Which european league is considered to be the best?

The answer on those 2 questions is the same. Eat it!!

That's a little bit easy isn't it? There are players from all around the world over there.

[AFCA]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
Let me add to may previous FACTUAL statement:

Not only did Euro's only win 4 WC's outside of the champs own home, but ONLY 2 Euro's have EVER won a World Cup away from home. ONLY TWO, Italy and Germany.

WOW!


By Brazil alone...I mean...BRAZIL...ALONE....has won 5 world cups all AWAY from home. What dont you understand? IN all of Europe only Italy and Germany have won away from home, totally 4 Cups.

SOCCERSCOUT FOR THE LAST TIME.

Brazil and Argentina are the only two South American nations that won a WC since 1950!!!!!!
Is there any reasoning with you or should I just sit here in shear amazement not knowing wether to laugh or cry?

[El_Maestro]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
>>And gimme some names of all those Brazilian superstars all across Europe.>>

Do I really have to? Ok If you are really so clueless about it, I'll help....

Brazilian Stars in Europe:

Rivaldo
Ronaldo
Cafu
Roberto Carlos
Ronaldinho Gaucho
Flavio Conceicao
Lucio
Fabio Rochemback
Dida
...please someone else contiune.....

Elber (Bayern Munich)
Ze Roberto (Bayern Munich)
Marcio Amoroso (Borussia Dormundt)
Gilberto Silva (Arsenal)
Fabio Aurelio (Valencia)
Serginho (AC Milan)
Juninho (Middlesbrough) injured

and countless others in lesser teams

[SoccerScout]

AFCA,
I dont understand what you dont understand about the FACTS I presented. It has NOTHING to do with Argentina. Its about EUROPEAN teams not being able to win outside of the comfort of home. THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING MY FRIEND. Only Germany and Italy have done it 4 times in 17 editions. AGAIN.......Brazil....alone.....has done it 5 times and in ALL continents in which the WC was played... SA, NA, Europe, ASIA.

Brazilian Soccer DEMANDS respect, how dare anyone try to critizize their domestic league. Anyone that tries is showing IGNORANCE. It is the Brazilian league that gave us all the talent needed to win 5 WC's (almost 6 had we won at home by scoring 1 more goal) and continues to give us new talent as recently as last week. Even depleted of MAJOR stars, the Brazilian League is still as good if not better than ANY euro league. Ill take it over any mix breed Euro league any day!

[Oscar]

Spain has never been the 2nd best loser. They usually end up 14th best loser in the WC tournaments

Hmmm...a loser is a loser...you can grasp this can you not?

What I am saying is just that it is strange that a pretty lame team like Spain can qualify to WC after WC from Europe when south american teams with better WC record have to miss many tournaments because of the tougher qualifications

Oh my God, is Chile better than Spain today? Wait, you might actually say yes to do this. Is Chile better than Spain these days according to a person with half a brain? No. Thank you. Can't believe you're actually trying to imply Chile is better than Spain for something that happened over a decade ago. Funny. :D

What I am saying is just that among the teams that always qualify from Europe there are some lame 3rd-rated teams like Spain

If you think Spain is a 'lame 3rd-rated' team, a team that many people including South Americans always tip as one of the favourites to win a WC because of their good teams...then what are the teams from South America who aren't Brasil or Argentina? Seriously. Make an effort.

If that reality doesn't put the Euro's in their place

CONMEBOL only won the Cup 1 more time than Europe didn't they? You sure are putting us in our place. :D

[AFCA]

I never said I disrespected Brazilian football.


Now if you don't mind I'm gonna have a conversation with my wall. Seems very refreshing at the moment :-)

For ************'s sake... you need help.