GRAND THEFT. Fifa takes S. America spot

[AFCA]

Originally posted by El_Maestro
About a decade ago UEFA wanted to oficially determine who was the best European player of all time (until that date at least). Guess who won? Alfredo D'Stefano, a Southamerican.

FIFA, 2 years ago, sponsored a poll to determine who was the world's best player of all time. Who won? Diego Armando Maradona, a Southamerican.

Of course FIFA and Blatter are not too fond of good old Diego, so "football's family" had to name someone else. Who was that? Some guy known as Pele, yet another Southamerican.

Oh, and of course European club teams have more local guys than Southamericans, they are not allowed by regulations, otherwise who knows what would happen.

But don't get me wrong, I like European football and its clubs, they are the perfect vehicles for Southamerican footballers. Where else could you find these huge entities with so much cash and so little talent in its rosters? SA players get rich, they become stars, and they get back to their national teams to keep kicking eurobutt.

Buh bye

Alfredo D'Stefano? Call me a barbarian but it doesn't ring a bell. And forgetting about Van Basten, Gullit, Papin, Butragueno, Cruyff, Laudrup, Platini... you can't just choose 'the best player' but frankly I'm really interested in mr D'Stefano. Never heard of him.

And the same goes for the best footballer in the World. Maradona was at a certain time. So have many others been in their time like Pele, Cruyff and Muller, Puskas... There's no comparing actually.

Your remark about the regulations making it impossible for Europeans to field teams full of Brazillians make no sense. Being a good dribbler doesn't make you a great footballer.

Little talent in it's rosters?

Tell your friends on Mars I said hello.

[Bauser]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
I can see why EURO's dont care about this. The World Cup is composed of 44% Euro teams while SA only gets 12.5% and 15.6% of teams are African.

:rolleyes: UEFA has 50 members and gets 14 spots. CONMEBOL has 10 members and gets 4 spots. Now do the percentage. "Euros" do care about spots, but here qualifying has been a big battle since football morning so we are used to this. No coasting through in mid-table like in SA.

It just doesnt seem right that the Continent that has won 53% of All WC titles gets only 12.5% of the WC spots.

You are right. Skip qualifying in South America. Send 10 teams. The depth is amazing behind Brazil and Argentina. I can't wait for the Uruguays and Perus to make semifinal runs like they have done so many times in recent cups. Did you know that Uruguay has only won 3 of its last 20 matches in World Cup history?

On the other hand if that doesnt show you how much better SA's are at soccer than the rest of the world, nothing will. If Euro soccer was that good & with usually half or more of all the WC participants shouldn't be losing to 1 lowly represented continent. But they are.

Euro soccer is mostly a myth. They import all the best SA players for their clubs and they NEVER win a WC away from Europe. Don't fool yourselfs, European soccer is 2nd tier. They can only dream of having the flair of a Brazilian, Argentinian or other talented South AMerican.

:rolleyes: Yes, attack Europe. UEFA took spots away from you, didn't we? And European teams use South American players in World Cups, don't they? Stop being a crybaby. You act as if it was UEFA's fault that you lost 0.5 spot.

[vico]

Originally posted by olafgb
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CONMEBOL basically has Brazil and Argentina. All others still have to be glad to survive the group stage.

BS

The other southamerican teams usually advances from the groupstage when they are in the WC and they don't need the help of the ref or homefield advantage to do so. In 1998 4 out of 5 southamerican teams advanced and yes Chile and Paraguay went out straight afterwards but take into account that Paraguay had to play against France and Chile had to play against Brazil in the 1/8 finals and still Paraguay gave France a toúgh challenge. Croatia who also ended up second in their group were much more lucky and faced Romania in the 1/8-finals. If Paraguay would have been the team facing Romania instead of Croatia I think that they would have had a chance to grab the bronze.

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Also there are just ten nations and 40% qualifying is still much more than in any other confederation.



Well that is because 30% of those ten nations have won the world cup. So therefore to have 40% of those teams participate in the WC doesn't sound that much. As said before percentagewise South America SHOULD have the highest number of spots without a doubt since it is by far the strongest confederation.


And finally the 5th best Southamerican is MUCH MUCH better than the 5th asian... Even Venezuela would probably been among the top 5 asian teams if they would play in that continent. Noone is going to tell me that Saudi Arabia is better...

[DELBUCEO]

Originally posted by Oscar
I guess it also helps that the leagues in South America are inferior to the European leagues.

Which is pretty weird...because those leagues are full of South Americans...yet they suck. Freaky.

What seems freaky to me is your childish deductive reasoning, applying stupid syllogisms in every single post.

A leage 'sucks' in terms of what? Lack of money, merchandising, marketing, attendance? Look sonny, what really matters are skillz and competitiveness, the rest are just business issues that have nothing to do with football.
The brazilian league sucks in terms of skillz? the argentinian too?

Go to bed.

[Oscar]

vico, why didn't you use the 2002 WC seeing as it would have painted a much better picture of the qualities of the team today than a Cup played 5 years ago...oh yeah. Never mind. :D

As said before percentagewise South America SHOULD have the highest number of spots without a doubt since it is by far the strongest confederation.

It has the team with the best results at WCs in it's confederation, saying the entire confed is the best is like saying San Marino is as good Italy because it's also a European team....yes, that would be bull crap.

[El_Maestro]

Originally posted by AFCA
Alfredo D'Stefano? Call me a barbarian but it doesn't ring a bell. And forgetting about Van Basten, Gullit, Papin, Butragueno, Cruyff, Laudrup, Platini... you can't just choose 'the best player' but frankly I'm really interested in mr D'Stefano. Never heard of him.

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Bleachers/7429/DiStefano1.htm

[AFCA]

Originally posted by vico
If Paraguay would have been the team facing Romania instead of Croatia I think that they would have had a chance to grab the bronze.


I remember Paraguay (with the weird goalkeeper right?) that tournament. They were allright and I rooted for them in that match against France in coffeeshop Dolphins in A'dam.

But they weren't that impressive to be honest, except for that match maybe. But even then... it wasn't exactly a HQ match.

[DELBUCEO]

Originally posted by AFCA
Alfredo D'Stefano? Call me a barbarian but it doesn't ring a bell. I'm really interested in mr D'Stefano. Never heard of him.


You asked for it: BARBARIAN!

[Oscar]

Seriously, this is my favourite thread :D

What seems freaky to me is your childish deductive reasoning, applying stupid syllogisms in every single post

You know that they say people who use big words are trying to make themselves look smarter than they actually are right? Sure you do.

A leage 'sucks' in terms of what?

A league would suck compared to a league that is much better.

Lack of money, merchandising, marketing, attendance?

Quality

The brazilian league sucks in terms of skillz? the argentinian too?

Why did you put question marks behind those sentences? :D

Go to bed.

We don't sleep all day over here 'gramps'.

[AFCA]

Originally posted by El_Maestro
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Bleachers/7429/DiStefano1.htm

Interesting.

[El_Maestro]

Originally posted by Oscar
I guess it also helps that the leagues in South America are inferior to the European leagues.

Which is pretty weird...because those leagues are full of South Americans...yet they suck. Freaky.

No they don't suck, how could they, they are full of Southamericans. ;)

Besides, Southamerican clubs have won the Intercontinental Cup more times than the Euros, even when the UEFA sides have the best of the best of the Southamerican talent.

But, how is that possible?, how can the best SA players loose to the "not that good" players? Oh, I get it, must be those Euro guys that water down their team's overall talent. Oh well.

[SoccerScout]

>> guess it also helps that the leagues in South America are inferior to the European leagues.

Which is pretty weird...because those leagues are full of South Americans...yet they suck. Freaky.>>


Yeah right! Your speaking thru your a$$. Even though Brazil is highly depleted of stars cause many are in Europe Brazils league is still great and producing great new talent every year. Take out the foreigners in Euro Leagues and they have a 2nd division Brazil at best.

Wait for Kaka, Robinho, Diego, Leo etc etc etc to start kicking Euro a$$ at a stadium near you soon! Add to them Ronaldinho Gaucho, Ronaldo, Rivaldo etc.... and we have a formula for the greatest team of all time in 2006. (Like its not enough that Brazil went 7-0 at this years WC!)

My home state in Brazil probably has more talent than your entire tiny Euro country.

[DELBUCEO]

Originally posted by Oscar

A league would suck compared to a league that is much better.


What a clever answer. Sure, as you said before that's because you're smarter than me.

[Oscar]

Besides, Southamerican clubs have won the Intercontinental Cup more times than the Euros, even when the UEFA sides have the best of the best of the Southamerican talent

Because, and people don't like hearing this but it's true, the Cup is pretty much meaningless over here. As opposed to the South Americans who think this Cup is divine because they have this problem that they want to prove to everybody that they are better than the Europeans, take for instance this thread:

It's about South America losing a spot, yet in the very first post you already see jabs at Europe ("Euro 2006")....when Europe also just lost a ½ spot.

Oh well, makes for some fun posting time. :D

[AFCA]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
>> guess it also helps that the leagues in South America are inferior to the European leagues.

Which is pretty weird...because those leagues are full of South Americans...yet they suck. Freaky.>>


Yeah right! Your speaking thru your a$$. Even though Brazil is highly depleted of stars cause many are in Europe Brazils league is still great and producing great new talent every year. Take out the foreigners in Euro Leagues and they have a 2nd division Brazil at best.

Wait for Kaka, Robinho, Diego, Leo etc etc etc to start kicking Euro a$$ at a stadium near you soon! Add to them Ronaldinho Gaucho, Ronaldo, Rivaldo etc.... and we have a formula for the greatest team of all time in 2006. (Like its not enough that Brazil went 7-0 at this years WC!)

My home state in Brazil probably has more talent than your entire tiny Euro country.

Tell me why the 95 Ajax won the World Cup without any South Americans? Tell me why the 98 Brazil were lucky to make it to the final?

You're full of it. If you would just say that Brazil has a lot of talent... you're absolutely right. If you would say that some of the best footballers in the world come from Brazil... you're absolutely right.

But what you are screaming around here is BS.

And gimme some names of all those Brazilian superstars all across Europe.

[vico]

Originally posted by Oscar
It has the team with the best results at WCs in it's confederation, saying the entire confed is the best is like saying San Marino is as good Italy because it's also a European team....yes, that would be bull crap.

Like it is BS to say that Spain is a good team just because Italy and Germany has done great at the WC scene. Since spanish footballers don't have talent they don't have a good WC record despite the fact that their league is among the best in the world (thanks to large amount of southamerican players over there). It must be hard for spaniards to know that Chile has a better WC record than Spain. When Chile arranged the WC in 1962 they took bronze and that is something that Spain has never done. What happened to Spain in 1982 Oscar? Please answer me!

So yeah you are right you shouldn't compare Venezuela to Argentina or Brazil in South America cause it would be like comparing Spain to Italy and France in Europe am I not right? But Venezuela being the worst South American team has never qualified to the WC. Yet a crappy team like Spain who are worse than Chile qualify to WC after WC! Then something is wrong don't you think?

[SoccerScout]

>>And gimme some names of all those Brazilian superstars all across Europe.>>

Do I really have to? Ok If you are really so clueless about it, I'll help....

Brazilian Stars in Europe:

Rivaldo
Ronaldo
Cafu
Roberto Carlos
Ronaldinho Gaucho
Flavio Conceicao
Lucio
Fabio Rochemback
Dida
...please someone else contiune.....

[Oscar]

Your speaking thru your a$$

No, I'm writing with my hands. You silly bunny.

Take out the foreigners in Euro Leagues and they have a 2nd division Brazil at best

You're funny :D

My home state in Brazil probably has more talent than your entire tiny Euro country.

You must be talking about the Netherlands location, seeing as Spain isn't really all that tiny...well, maybe in the universe you live. Hmmm...what to use as a comeback? The Netherlands with it's few inhabitants, they have more money than all the millions and millions of people living in Brasil right now. And I'm not even talking about percentages.

Yeah! :p

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What a clever answer. Sure, as you said before that's because you're smarter than me.

I actually never wrote that, but I guess you must feel this way deep inside, seeing that you would be able to 'read' this in my post.

[AFCA]

Originally posted by SoccerScout


Lucio
Fabio Rochemback
Dida
...please someone else contiune.....

Not THAT big stars if you ask me.

But please continue. We already have NINE (I might have lost count between 4 and 7 though).

[DELBUCEO]

Originally posted by Oscar
You know that they say people who use big words are trying to make themselves look smarter than they actually are right? Sure you do.


Never heard about that before. Maybe it's a frequent excuse for the ignorants.
You should have finished school sonny before debating your views with grown people.