GRAND THEFT. Fifa takes S. America spot

[wu-tang beez]

Originally posted by Alex_1
Wu-tang - I see what you are saying but consider this. Did you follow Portugal leading up to the World Cup? This is a selection with a horrible reputation of having "melt-downs". Anyway, recall their "friendly" against Angola prior to the WC - and the aftermath. Interesting, no?

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[Heist]

Originally posted by Alex_1
Dammit this is what actually pisses me off. I was using Sebastian Abreu as an example. I don't even know if he played in the match. I don't know if anyone here even knows who he is. And when I stated that, I was referring to his reputation to Uruguay fans. He is a physical player. But also skilled. He takes more pride in playing for Uruguay. Also, you totally do my comment injustice by taking it out of the context of the post I wrote it in. Of course it looks peachy for your side when you do this.

End of discussion. Debate is good - but not when the angle that wasn't implied is added. A bit too much of a stretch, hmm?
Why should that piss you off. It doesn't matter if Abreu was in the match (and yes, I do konw who he is and I agree with your assesment of him).
The comment was not taken out of context. You were saying that the Uruguayan FA would not suspend someone like him. I was saying that that type of attitude is a big problem in all sports today.
What were you implying then? How did I take what you said out of context?
Wouldn't you rather have Uruguay deal with suspensions themselves than have FIFA or CONMEBOL have to come and do it?

I agree that FIFA has some responsibility to deal with this, but that doesn't make anyone in Uruguay any less accountable.

[Alex_1]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
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My point was regarding the actions (lack there-of) taken after the Angola-Portugal match. It was a hideous match. Here is a sample article:

http://www.onetouchfootball.com/worldwidewatch/por151101.html

Really no other way to put it: There is a glaring problem in FIFA. Don't take it out on one team and not do it across the board. I bet FIFA struggles with this as I type this.

Heist: I have been implying all along that the problem is bigger than Uruguay. All of the examples lead to this. You have to get the problem from it's source. It's not just the players, the fans, etc. Blaming them is in-consequential. The thing I can see some having a problem with me saying is when I say "it's not just the Uruguay FA". I never suggested Uruguay was not accountable for their actions. If players do wrong, they "should" be punished. What I am implying is that "should federations do wrong, who carries the weight of punishing them?" For instance, Brazil should not have been eligible for 2002. Looking through the CBF corruption proceedings and the overage players they used in tournaments - they should have carried the same punishment that Mexico carried I believe in 1990. And newsflash, the CBF really isn't any better. Answer - the governing body - FIFA.

As for preferential treatment - that happens (example above is a far higher degree of this). I don't know what to say about that, but it happens. Some individual athletes get it for whatever the reasons may be. It happened before and I'm sure it will continue to happen.

This is why before I suggested to another poster to ask the question "why is it like this - why does this happen"? Simple - if the roots (Governing body) are infected, why wouldn't the branches be as well (federations)?

For the record, I do agree. Some of Uruguay's actions through the years has been rather dispicable on the field. Complain to Uruguay? Why should they listen to you? But the best thing for the opposing federation to do, unfortunately, is to go through FIFA. And that is the saddest thing, IMO.

[Crowdie]

The issue is that everything in the soccer world is done in confederations who only deal with each other once every four years for the World Cup. This creates the following issues:

1) Players from each confederation develop a certain style of play. At the World Cup when they are controlled by a referee from another confederation, who is used to his/her confederation's style of play, the players will get booked for actions referees in their confederation would let go. This leads to player frustration and fans accusing FIFA of bias against their country/confederation.

2) Referees only officiate in their confederations so referees from smaller confederations cannot get experience at higher levels. Sports, such as Rugby Union, have referees from smaller countries (no confederations in the Rugby world) getting experience in other countries. This avoids some of the problems we saw at the World Cup this year.

FIFA needs to act more like a governing body and less like a group of competing confederations fighting for whatever scraps they can get and ignoring what is good for the game.

Crowdie.

[Goa^uld]

Originally posted by Crowdie
FIFA needs to act more like a governing body and less like a group of competing confederations fighting for whatever scraps they can get and ignoring what is good for the game.

I agree that FIFA need to act more like a governing body than what they currently are acting like.
I believe what they are currently acting like is just a large business trying to make as much money as it can, with board members (Confederations) bickering over who gets what share of that money.

At the moment it does not seem like FIFA cares or even knows what is good for the game, so they are not even at the level of being able to ignore it.

Its a pity, if the good of the game is sacrificed for increased profits in the present, there will be no game in the future, and therefore no profits. Nobody is happy in that scenario.

[Crowdie]

That being said, COMEBOL deserves the right to a play off for the slot rather than give it to Austrailia or New Zealand(fat chance) since neither can do it themselves.


Start thinking big picture not just what is good for you. FIFA is giving Oceania a chance to grow and they should be commended for doing so.

Most people of these boards complain about FIFA being corrupt and then try to convince everybody that their confederation is best and deserves more than the other confederations. I hear glass shattering.

Crowdie.

[ChiBrazil]

As for the list of Brazilians playing over seas, are we saying that because a player plays for a team in Europe that he is a star? If so, how many stars do the Americans have?

--Basically it is the Asians fault....

This is most likely true about alot of things. :-)

--the size of CONMEBOL becomes an issue as there is growing parity between nations, and really, there aren't the same kind of cakewalks that there were some years ago.--

Having watched almost all of Brazil's qualifiers, and what ever others wwere shown in Brazil, I think that most of the parity comes from the wild stadium settings. Play all the qualifers in a non-SA site and I think that Brazil and Argentine don't lose a game. The rest would all struggle and play wonderful football in the process. Any one watch Brazilian league games? Wonderful foul fests. Samba soccer only lives a the WC. And yes, I live in Cuiaba Brazil.

--Remember it's all about the money.--

Truest statement seen yet on this thread.

--Alex-1 (or however you write it)--

I think its nice that you let other people have opinions, or do you want us all to think exactly like you?

[Alex_1]

Originally posted by ChiBrazil

--Alex-1 (or however you write it)--

I think its nice that you let other people have opinions, or do you want us all to think exactly like you?

It's Alex_1. The underscore isn't that tough, really.

Anyway I don't really know what in the world you were implying but I'll explain it this way. Yes, I do have a strong opinion. Just the way I am and really, I don't really care if some don't like it or can't take it. Hmm... and I don't "let" folks have opinions - they already have them - hopefully they are their own. Why should I care otherwise? There wouldn't be debate if everyone thought the same. I don't care if some agree or disagree with what I say at all. But I will say what I want. Hope that clears that up. So next time, please, say something about the content of what I have said. Can't say that I care much for criticism on how I say it.

So that's a brief intro to Alex_1 debate 101. Welcome to Bigsoccer. :D

[Argentine Futbol]

I think the CONMEBOL should strike. Without South America, they are screwed. I didn't even know Australia played football.

[Knave]

Well, they do and they play quite well. Ever heard of - oh, I don't know - Viduka for one?

[pololo]

Originally posted by Knave
Well, they do and they play quite well. Ever heard of - oh, I don't know - Viduka for one?

Yeah and he s*u*c*k

[Argentine Futbol]

Vi who??? Never heard of him. Where does he play?? The only league that I can think of is the english Premier, They have Jamaican, Trinidad , US , Koren , and chinese players in that leaque.

[comme]

Have you really never heard of Mark Viduka? what about harry Kewell? They both play for Leeds in the Premiership.

[pololo]

Originally posted by comme
Have you really never heard of Mark Viduka? what about harry Kewell? They both play for Leeds in the Premiership.

Have you heard of Rinky Dink?
He plays in the common league,or what about his friend spanky the monkey?

["Simply Ken"]

Originally posted by comme
Have you really never heard of Mark Viduka? what about harry Kewell? They both play for Leeds in the Premiership.

I remember Kewell and Viduka well from the Australia's playoffs against Iran! They are good players.

Australia had some other good players. They included Australia's then goalie, Mark Bosnich ( who I understand has been suspended for cocaine use?), Zelic, as well as Stan Lazaridis (who wasn't as well known, but had a great game in Melbourne).

P.S.

When Kewell scored in Tehran to silence the Iranian fans in attendance, I recall the Australians nicknamed him "Harry Cool":-) The star of those series, however, was Azizi, who scored our equalizer in Melbourne and our goal in Tehran.

[wu-tang beez]

Originally posted by "Simply Ken"
They included Australia's then goalie, Mark Bosnich ( who I understand has been suspended for cocaine use

well, that explains why he's been persona non grata for the past +2yrs when he had been one of the best stoppers in the EPL.

side note: Am I the only who thinks that these boards would be flaming for whole sale changes on the full side, including technical directing, if we'd lost 3:1 at home vs a freakin' OSEANA team?

[comme]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
well, that explains why he's been persona non grata for the past +2yrs when he had been one of the best stoppers in the EPL.


Also the fact that chelsea have Cudicini the best goalkeeper in the Premiership.

[wu-tang beez]

Originally posted by comme
Also the fact that chelsea have Cudicini the best goalkeeper in the Premiership.

chelsea's starting keeper back then was DeGoey(sp?) & I think Cudicini had been derided on the Man-U bench as the blind Venitian for letting balls pass thru his 5 hole.

Plus Bosnich, I'm pretty sure, was the Hammers back stop.

[comme]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
chelsea's starting keeper back then was DeGoey(sp?) & I think Cudicini had been derided on the Man-U bench as the blind Venitian for letting balls pass thru his 5 hole.

Plus Bosnich, I'm pretty sure, was the Hammers back stop.

De goey was the starter but cudicini has been in for at least a couple of years now. As for United are you referring to Massimo Taibi? Also what do you mean the hammers backstop?

[wu-tang beez]

As for United are you referring to Massimo Taibi?
Right

Also what do you mean the hammers backstop? [/QUOTE]

West Ham.

Since we're on the subject, I'd bet they'd like a "do over" on acquiring Calamity James.