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AFCA

19 Dec 2002, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by pololo
Czech Rep - Sweden 3-3 or something in the last friendly and they have their best players while Sweden have only young players in this match,so Sweden is a world contender now to?

Czech Rep are good but don't belong as one of the best.

They should've been the 1996 Euro Champs.

And what does a friendly mean?

We'll see in the Holland - Chzech Republic match. Chech Republic is one of te most capable sides in Europe.

fdp

19 Dec 2002, 04:42 AM

Could you please change the title of this thread to:

South America vs Europe.

Since were on the topic....what if a match between South American all stars vs European all stars were played in a neutral site in Asia.

Who would you put on each team, lets say 20 man rosters.

Who do you think would win?

AFCA

19 Dec 2002, 04:53 AM

Oh boy.... here we go.

fdp

19 Dec 2002, 06:08 AM

quote:
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No country from outside Europe and South America has won the World Cup but it was those confederations which lost a half place in Tuesday's reorganisation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Good article for S.A. & Euro's to read.

http://sports.yahoo.com/m/world/news/reuters/20021218/reu-world20021218.html

Doctor Stamen

19 Dec 2002, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by futbol de primera
Since were on the topic....what if a match between South American all stars vs European all stars were played in a neutral site in Asia.

Who would you put on each team, lets say 20 man rosters.

Who do you think would win?

Ooooh that's a tough one. It would be a great game, but I'll have to go for Europe, but only just. S. America has a lot of flair players like Rivaldo, and attacking full backs like Robbie Carlos, but I just think that Europe's defence will just about stop them. The game would end 5-4 or something, but I think players like RVN, Raul and so on would have the final say. Europe will definatley win if Mark Hughes is the manager.

AFCA

19 Dec 2002, 06:22 AM

I agree with the story except for one thing... Brazil should be able to qualify. If they don't... it's their own fault and you can't blame it on Australia.

But the whole situation doesn't make any sense, that's for sure.

Anaheim

19 Dec 2002, 06:40 AM

Simply Ken, aren't you becoming a little obssessive about the Iran's win over Korea in Asian Games? Geez, you say the stadium was packed, were you watching the game? there 3/4 were empty. And you pointed out that teams that face Iran used Bunker defence. Did you watch the Iran Korea game? I wonder who was using the bunker defence in that game... hmm... I also wonder why the Iranian players were constantly falling over when extra time and penalties were approaching, and how about your captain, he was so eager to goto penalties, he was CORRECTING the ref about the time.

DELBUCEO

19 Dec 2002, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by AFCA
Anyway.... a product of marketing and merchandising? Could you tell me how to market a national team? By playing well pherhaps. And that's probably the reason why both Brazil and Holland are quite popular teams around the world. But when it comes to national teams there's no such thing as marketing my friend. Merchandise hardly matters...

I must admit that the dutch have great individual talents. At least 20 or 30 names of dutch superstars come to my mind in few seconds, but somehow, you still haven't won nothing really big as a NT yet, I mean compared with Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay. How's that?
Since 1970 you are always nominated to win the WC, but at the end, nothing happens.
The recipe for dutch fame and glory as a marketing product:

Individual talents
+
Nice branded coloured jersey
+
Excited fans with funny wigs and hats

And that's all you have

AFCA

19 Dec 2002, 10:03 AM

I, as a clubsupporter, detest those 'funny' orange fans. Hardly any of them support a club.

But the rest I'm proud of actually. The players lack of motivation doesn't seem to be an issue anymore so I think we should be able to take the European Cup with us this time.

But in the WC I guess we're born losers. But who knows?

AFCA

19 Dec 2002, 10:05 AM

+ best tactical football in the world. Few teams can dominate a game like Dutch teams can. But if you don't score it doesn't really matter does it.

DELBUCEO

19 Dec 2002, 10:06 AM

DELBUCEO

19 Dec 2002, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by AFCA
I, as a clubsupporter, detest those 'funny' orange fans. Hardly any of them support a club.

But the rest I'm proud of actually. The players lack of motivation doesn't seem to be an issue anymore so I think we should be able to take the European Cup with us this time.

But in the WC I guess we're born losers. But who knows?

Back to topic, I'd rather see 11 dutch superstars in Germany instead of the aussies. The same goes to Uruguay, Paraguay or Colombia, I'd rather see individual talents no matter if they can't handle to go through the second round.
This is not arguable, right?

"Simply Ken"

19 Dec 2002, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Anaheim
Simply Ken, aren't you becoming a little obssessive about the Iran's win over Korea in Asian Games? Geez, you say the stadium was packed, were you watching the game? there 3/4 were empty. And you pointed out that teams that face Iran used Bunker defence. Did you watch the Iran Korea game? I wonder who was using the bunker defence in that game... hmm... I also wonder why the Iranian players were constantly falling over when extra time and penalties were approaching, and how about your captain, he was so eager to goto penalties, he was CORRECTING the ref about the time.

I feel your pain. I didn't consider the match as important as you did, and find my account to be accurate. In any case, I didn't think that game was the highlight point of my discussion last night.

BTW, here is a report on the game that I find accurate.

Shoot-out Agony Ends S. Korean Dreams

BUSAN _ Goalkeeper Lee Woon-jae was unable to repeat his World Cup penalty shoot-out heroics as Lee Young-pyo's missed spot kick cost South Korea a place in the finals.
Iran stunned a packed Gudeok Stadium, defeating the home side 5-3 from the penalty spot after a tense and hard-fought 0-0 draw, taking what many had assumed to be their place in the Asian Games final against Japan.
Defeat was a bitter pill to swallow for Park Hang-seo's team, especially as they had created the majority of the chances in a tight match, and could twice have won the game had Lee Dong-gook taken two excellent chances, one in the 90th minute and the other just before the end of extra-time.
South Korea started with a surprise line-up, particularly the omission of Lee Dong-gook in a favour of Kim Eun-jong, but also in coach Park Hang-seo's decision to abandon his wingers and instead use Kim Du-hyun in the playmaker role between the strikers and the central midfield partnership of Park Ji-sung and Lee Young-pyo.
The South Koreans created the first real threat in the 11th minute of the match when Kim Du-hyun, following up Ebrahim Mirzapopour's save from a Choi Tae-uk free-kick, smacked the rebound against the far post, but it proved to be a rarity. For the most part defenses controlled the first half.
Park Ji-sung and the terrier-lie Lee Young-pyo were imperious as Korea marginally held sway in midfield, although Ali Badavi did manage to escape Choi Tae-uk once or twice down the Iranian left.
The struggle in the midfield trenches was not for the faint-hearted, nor perhaps for the less hardened football watcher. Needless to say, long before half-time the wave was sweeping around the packed stadium.
After such a tight opening period it was incredible to see the second half open up, and there was a nasty shock for the home fans as Iran had the ball in the net. However as
Javad Kazemeyan's celebrations of his diving header from Alireza Vahedinikbakht's cross were cut short by the linesman's flag.
Within two minutes Kim Eun-jong also came close, flinging himself at a near-post cross from Lee Chun-soo, his first effort on goal in the match and his last. After an hour Park Hang-seo decided he needed the experience of Lee Dong-gook to spearhead his attack.
The match continued in a more expansive vein, as Cho Sung-wan flashed a header from Lee Chun-soo's free-kick past Iranian upright
Iran threatened little however, except for a header from Vahedinikbakht that sailed just over the crossbar with nine minutes remaining.
Lee Dong-gook had one final and fantastic chance to settle the game in the last minute of regulation time, but with just Mirzapour to beat, he pulled his shot disappointingly across the face of goal.
He repeated the feat, although this time he was agonizingly close, with six minutes remaining in extra-time, and the game went into the dreaded penalty shoot-out

AFCA

19 Dec 2002, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by DELBUCEO
Back to topic, I'd rather see 11 dutch superstars in Germany instead of the aussies. The same goes to Uruguay, Paraguay or Colombia, I'd rather see individual talents no matter if they can't handle to go through the second round.
This is not arguable, right?

I like to see Germany there and meet them in the knockout stage. Eliminating Germany is better than winning the World Cup.... allright, just as good.

"Simply Ken"

19 Dec 2002, 11:54 AM

TOP 32 TEAMS ACCORDING TO LATEST FIFA RANKINGS - COLLATED BY CONFEDERATION

UEFA (18)

1. FRANCE (2)
2. SPAIN (3)
3. GERMANY (4)
4. NETHERLANDS (6)
5. ENGLAND (7)
6. TURKEY (9)
7. PORTUGAL (11)
8. DENMARK (12)
9. ITALY (13)
10. IRELAND (14)
11. CZECH REPUBLIC (15)
12. BELGIUM (17)
13. YUGOSLAVIA (19)
14. RUSSIA (22)
15. ROMANIA (24)
16. SWEDEN (24)
17. NORWAY (26)
18. CROATIA (32)

CONEMBOL (5)

1. BRAZIL (1)
2. ARGENTINA (5)
3. PARAGUAY (18)
4. URAGUAY (28)
5. ECUADOR (31)

CAF (4)

1. CAMEROON (16)
2. SENEGAL (27)
3. NIGERIA (29)
4. SOUTH AFRICA (30)

CONCACAF (3)

1. MEXICO (8)
2. UNITED STATES (10)
3. COSTA RICA (21)

AFC (2)

1. KOREA REPUBLIC (20)
2. JAPAN (22)

OFC (0)

World Cup Finalists from 2002 which are not in the top 32 in Fifa’s list:
UEFA: Poland (33), Slovenia (36); CAF: Tunisia (41); AFC: Saudi Arabia (38), China (63).

Teams in FIFA’s Top 32 which did not make World Cup 2002 (all from UEFA):
Netherland (6), Czech Republic (15), Yugoslavia (19), Romania (24), Norway (26).

If merit is the only criteria, and taking FIFA’s rankings as one (admitedly faulty) measure on the issue, the confederation that was under-represented in the last World Cup was UEFA, with a net loss of 3 spots compared to the number of sides it boast in the top 32 of FIFA's rankings.

The AFC was over-represented by two teams that didn’t belong (e.g. China at 63 and Saudi Arabia at 38), although the confederation had one other team (Iran at 33) which was very close to the cut-off point, being ranked at 33.

CAF was also over-represented, with Tunisia (41)not among the top 32. Concacaf and Conembol were perfectly represented, deserving no fewer and no more representatives. The OFC was also correctly unrepresented, since none of their sides are ranked among the top 32.

Hope this all helps!

P.S.

I should add that a good measure of whether FIFA's rankings are as bad as they are sometimes perceived would be to look at those rankings right BEFORE World Cup 2002, doing the same comparison I have done above. That is because the current rankings benefit from hindsight, taking into account the scores from the World Cup.

pololo

19 Dec 2002, 12:08 PM

El_Maestro

19 Dec 2002, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by sinner_ronald_monk
*laughing my arse off*

Uruguay??? knocked out in the first round ..
argentina??? knocked out in the first round...
Peru ???
Colombia???
Bolivia???

Those countries are nothing in world terms...
The argies got sent packing from the world cup by owen and beckham..
stick to watching swedish football you turnip...

So you are saying that France is also a mediocre side because they got relegated in the first round?

As far as I know the best players in the Premiership are French. Henry, Vieira an Pires anyone?

Owen and Beckham? I've never seen two more overrated guys than this pair. Owen, a glorified midget; Beckham, football's answer to Anna Kournikova.

Ok England, we get it, you regulated the game (not really created it), but now let the masters do the actual playing.

El_Maestro

19 Dec 2002, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by AFCA
We were eliminated by Brazil (eventual champions)in the quarter finals 94 with a near 3-2 loss. In 98 we were eliminated in the semifinals by Brazil after a 1-1

They were also eliminated in 74, 78, didn't make it to 82 and 86, eliminated again in 1990 (with Van Vasten, Gullit and Rijkaard no less). 2002, again a no go.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the eternal loosers:

HOLLAND

fademan77

19 Dec 2002, 01:15 PM

Sorry but I think you guys are straying away from the topic...

FIFA has a duty to world football, not just to europe, or SA, or who has won the most world cups, who has a bigger penis etc...

I think FIFA has, rightly, identified that by giving the OFC a full world cup berth it will foster a bigger football culture in South East Asia. I think you should all get behind the new idea of having an OFC representive in the WC.

The world cup, i believe, is not about bringing together the best 32 teams in the world, but having teams from around the world to come together, in a friendly and peaceful environment, to foster and promote the great game across the globe.

pgi.

pololo

19 Dec 2002, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by fademan77
Sorry but I think you guys are straying away from the topic...

FIFA has a duty to world football, not just to europe, or SA, or who has won the most world cups, who has a bigger penis etc...

I think FIFA has, rightly, identified that by giving the OFC a full world cup berth it will foster a bigger football culture in South East Asia. I think you should all get behind the new idea of having an OFC representive in the WC.

The world cup, i believe, is not about bringing together the best 32 teams in the world, but having teams from around the world to come together, in a friendly and peaceful environment, to foster and promote the great game across the globe.

pgi.

Go to sleep jerkoff.