GRAND THEFT. Fifa takes S. America spot

[El_Maestro]

Originally posted by Oscar
Oh well, makes for some fun posting time. :D

Well, the one thing we agree on, haven't had this much fun in the forums since the World Cup, even though FIFA screwed us, bad.

[DoyleG]

Originally posted by Alex_1
How many players on the CBF Confed. Cup team were on the CBF WC Team? How many of the players on the CBF Copa America team were on the CBF WC Team? ;) It's a telling statistic of how the CBF was functioning. No fault of other nations for beating them - but they beat a Brazilian team that was NOT the WC team. Emerson Leao was a victim of politics and a few untimely mistakes, and goaded into being a scapegoat. Brazils WC squad = good squad. Top players available on the pitch. Brazils Copa America Squad = last minute make-shift selection for a half-hazard thrown together regional championship (Remember... Mauro Silva left the team at the airport). Confed. Cup squad = pure experimentation with lads that hardly made a qualifier roster, let alone a WC consideration.

Players on both those teams were on the WCQ and the World Cup team as well. Blaming a coach or "we didn't have our top team" excuse doesn't wash. The fact you even defend them is equally pathetic.

[Oscar]

Well, the one thing we agree on, haven't had this much fun in the forums since the World Cup, even though FIFA screwed us, bad.

Now if we could only get those Asians on the rivalries board to come here (the ones who can't determine which team in Asia is the best...like it matters) we could have triple the fun!

[El_Maestro]

Originally posted by Oscar
Now if we could only get those Asians on the rivalries board to come here (the ones who can't determine which team in Asia is the best...like it matters) we could have triple the fun!

Maybe we should go over there and tell them that's their fault that UEFA and Conmebol lost a spot.

[fdp]

[B]I'VE POSTED THIS ALREADY[B]

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POR FAVOR.... PLEASE...

[fdp]

THIS IS NOT ABOUT S.A. vs EUROPE [B]

I'VE POSTED THIS ALREADY[B]

THIS IS NOT A S.A. vs EUROPE THREAD[B]

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POR FAVOR.... PLEASE...

[DELBUCEO]

Originally posted by AFCA
I'm not to impressed by Spain either. Never have been. They have never been considered a big European power over here too.

But why drag in Uruguay's performances 52 and 68 years ago? That's a bit too old don't you think?

And Chile? They were 2nd best loser once. What else did they do?

Please, if you want to discuss don't bring in irrelevant things that are ancient history. Keep it a little bit up to date.

Uruguay reached semifinals in 1970 WC and won 14 SA cups, last one in 1995. What's you idea of 'up to date'? Yesterday? An hour ago?
BTW, the overrated fame and the glory of Dutch football was achieved 20 y ago too. You guys won nothing then, and you still haven't won nothing since then. You are nothing but a pathetic product of marketing and merchandising.

[DELBUCEO]

Originally posted by AFCA
SOCCERSCOUT FOR THE LAST TIME.

Brazil and Argentina are the only two South American nations that won a WC since 1950!!!!!!


Hmmm, the Euro statistics aren't much more impressive. You guys have just 4 since 1930, so what? Well to be honest let's say 2 (Germany and Italy) plus 2 other fixed WC for France and the brits...

[Oscar]

Basically it is the Asians fault both confeds lost their ½ place. Even with Oceania receiving a full spot, they still received 1 extra full spot compared to a normal WC (one not taking place in their continent) They had 3½ in '98, and now they have 4½.

In my opinion, every confed deserves at least 1 spot to represent their area in the WC (thereby making it a World Cup) explaining why I don't really have a beef with Oceania getting one, but 3½ spots for Asia is more than enough.

Bastards! :D

["Simply Ken"]

"Uruguay reached semifinals in 1970 WC ...BTW, the overrated fame and the glory of Dutch football was achieved 20 y ago too."

How quickly we forget! If semifinal appearances are the measure, Holland were WC98 semifinalists, losing to Brazil only on penalties.

Holland is one of the truly talented and exciting teams whose absence from the last World Cup made that tournament weaker. I don't blame Holland's absence on UEFA's allocation, as that confederation had enough spaces to give us teams such as Slovenia. But I have no doubt that none of the S.American sides that failed to qualify were missed outside their own country. The fact is that most South American sides, excepting Brazil and Argentina, are merely decent or good. Not more. They are, besides, mostly in the same category, and we don't need all of them in the World Cup.

[Alex_1]

Originally posted by DoyleG
Players on both those teams were on the WCQ and the World Cup team as well. Blaming a coach or "we didn't have our top team" excuse doesn't wash. The fact you even defend them is equally pathetic.

Speaking of pathetic - how did Canada do in this past World Cup? How about 1998? Or what about 1994? Careful there tiger... the truth hurts - especially if you wish to speak of defending something "pathetic". ;)

So... point out the core of the current CBF team, and then I challenge you to compare that to both the selections from all three of those tournaments. Interesting, no?

I don't expect you to Understand Brazilian football. That is not your team. You do not follow it. So really you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to Brazilian football. That is fine - I will educate you for a little while. **ding**

There are a few reasons why Brazil was sub-par in qualifying and in those tournaments. What were they? I direct you research in the CBF forum, or if you wish I can go into detail. Say the word. For one tidbit of information: To not recognize Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Juninho, Roberto Carlos, Emerson and Lucio and Cafu's relevance to CBF football would be, well, foolish. I never took anything away from the fact that Brazil did not get the ultimate results in the past... 3 years. Teams defeated them. They were the better. But as a fan of Brazil, I look at "why did they lose"? Was it that the other team was through and through better? Was it because of tactics? Was it because of players? Was it general strategy? Conditions? What happened behind the scenes? How was the chemistry - do these players have a good understanding of one another - do they mesh well? In otherwords, what could Brazil have done to get a more positive result. At the end of the day, the result is what it is. But that does not mean it is free from criticism or analysis.

So, my friend. If you understood Brazilian football (or perhaps football in general), you would understand that there is a bit more that goes into results.

But as for this thread - I am not looking so much at UEFA. Can't say I care really - but CBF shouldn't have lost the half a slot. 4.5 was fair. The problem I have, honestly, isn't even with Asia as much as CAF maintaining 5 spots. Had it not been for IMO a peaking Senegal, they would have had "0" teams advance. They should have dropped to 4, if anyone lost spots.

[Alex_1]

I must admit it is good to see Delbuceo back again. :P

On a side, if some folks here had their way, it wouldn't be much of a WC at all. I just don't get why some folks get into the pissing match between UEFA and CONMEBOL because there really is no comparison - it is like comparing apples to oranges. Different organization, different number of selections, different styles, etc. Qualifying is different even. The worst team in CONMEBOL is different from the worst team in UEFA.

My argument - fine. Keep it a World Cup. But according to the play-off format, the Asian side couldn't get by the UEFA side (Ireland) and Oceana couldn't get by CONMEBOL (Uruguay). Neither team is out of this world. But both were clearly better than their counterparts. Why should those two confederations be punished for being the better, and more competitive?

It is easy. It is not so so much about the competition. Someone said it before, but I will re-inforce this - because it lessens the value of the game IMO. It is good that the WC contains the best from each region of the world in it's own format. However by expanding to 32 teams, you are allowing for mediocrity to seep into a few spots - and that really was seen with UEFA not even including it's "best" teams thanks to the qualification system installed. What FIFA has done, is in my eyes awarded mediocrity in Oceana by handing a slot "down under" at the expense of the better confederations. Asia, with two very poor sides, also was awarded. CONCACAF deserved the 1/2 spot IMO - but CAF did not deserve to keep all 5 spots after consistent poor showings.

The question is - if Brazil had directly qualified like past champions did -would Brazil have still gotten four spots, or three. :eek:

[El_Maestro]

Former Aussie captain says Oceania didn't deserve that direct spot.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/Sport/story_43932.asp

[Wolves_67]

Conmebol will now get 4 spots for a confederation of 10 teams..
40%!! That's the highest percentage of all the regions..
Stop whinning!

[Ben OZ]

I can understand people in South America and Europe being upset and they have a right to. IMO UEFA and CONMEBOL deserve at least 1 more spot each. Although I don't agree with the decision for Oceania getting a direct spot, would have preferred Oceania either merge or Oceania's top 2 enter Asian Final WCQ.

But, just as bad as Oceania getting 1 spot has to be Asia gaining 4.5! IMO, Asia only deserve 3 or 3.5 spots. In the last WC, Korea and Japan performed well yet China (although there's a lot of potential) and Saudi Arabia didn't set the world on fire. Obviously this decision, along with Oceania's and Africa's allotments are given with the future in mind, yet at the expense of the traditional superpowers (Europe and South America).

Maybe the solution is to revert the WC back to a 24 team tournament where only the best of the best are represented. Yet, that would have plenty of problems in itself with good nations missing out on the WC Finals.

[pololo]

Originally posted by AFCA
Obviously you have never seen them play. Chzech Republic has been fielding one of the best teams in Europe for years now. A team capable of beating ANY European side. Thus, possibly capable of beating Brazil. I'm not saying they are the best in Europe. I'm not saying they are just as good as Brazil. But they are definitely one of the worlds top sides.

It's okay to comment. But it would be nice if you knew what you are talking about.

Czech Rep - Sweden 3-3 or something in the last friendly and they have their best players while Sweden have only young players in this match,so Sweden is a world contender now to?

Czech Rep are good but don't belong as one of the best.

["Simply Ken"]

From the list FIFA A matches in the FIFA site.

19 Sep 2002 - TABRIZ, Iran
Match Status: Friendly 2002 Iran - Paraguay 1:1 a.e.t. (1:1 , 1:1 )
4:3 penalty kicks
Referee:

1 Mar 2002 - CASABLANCA, Morocco
Match Status: Friendly 2002 Iran - Venezuela 1:0
Referee:

12 Jan 2000 - LOS ANGELES, United States
Match Status: Friendly Iran - Ecuador 2:1
Referee:

2 Jun 1999 - Edmonton, Canada
Match Status: Friendly Ecuador - Iran 1:1
Referee: SEIFERT Mike CAN

31 Jan 1998 - Hong Kong, Hong Kong
Match Status: Friendly Iran - Chile 1:1
3:1 penalty kicks
Referee: MIKKELSEN Peter DEN

[Jay510]

just a request......can anbody residing in Oceania actually say that that confederation deserves a full spot

Australia
New Zealand
Solomon Islands
Fiji
Tahiti
Papua New Guinea
Cook Islands
A. Samoa
New Caledonia
Vanuatu

i mean come on, look at this..............Based On this I cant wait to see the response if Australia or New Zealand manage to not qualify for the cup.........I mean Australia only beat fiji 2-0 in the deciding game last time...........if they manage to fall flat on their asses, i will be laughin it up

[pololo]

Originally posted by sinner_ronald_monk
You;re kidding yourself...
South america has only got Argentina and brazil .The rest are nothing...Even argentina arent that good as they proved in the world cup.
You're living in cloud cuckoo land .LOL
Brazil won the world cup in sweden many years ago but south american teams have failed dismally ever since in Euro hosted world cups..


You can whine all you want...
you've got 4 places and you'll have to live with it..
You know very little about european football if you think that it only about south american players.
You're a joke...

You problably don't watch SOuth American football i mean there are more than just Brazil and Argentina,there are lots of talents in Uruguay,Bolivia,Peru,Colombia etc.
I mean Michael Owen and Beckham are super talents in EUrope but in SOuth America there are filled with better talents than these overrated stars.
If you don't believe me watch some South American cups or leagues.

[Jay510]

Originally posted by "Simply Ken"
From the list FIFA A matches in the FIFA site.

19 Sep 2002 - TABRIZ, Iran
Match Status: Friendly 2002 Iran - Paraguay 1:1 a.e.t. (1:1 , 1:1 )
4:3 penalty kicks
Referee:

1 Mar 2002 - CASABLANCA, Morocco
Match Status: Friendly 2002 Iran - Venezuela 1:0
Referee:

12 Jan 2000 - LOS ANGELES, United States
Match Status: Friendly Iran - Ecuador 2:1
Referee:

2 Jun 1999 - Edmonton, Canada
Match Status: Friendly Ecuador - Iran 1:1
Referee: SEIFERT Mike CAN

31 Jan 1998 - Hong Kong, Hong Kong
Match Status: Friendly Iran - Chile 1:1
3:1 penalty kicks
Referee: MIKKELSEN Peter DEN


these are friendlies......Iran managed to lose to Bahrain in a match they had to win that counted........Bahrain, not Paraguay, not Ecuador not any South American team......if Iran went to South America for a WCQ game, they would get crushed by anyone but maybe Venezuela, though even they won their last 4 or so in qualifying.

Asia is and will be forever the filler continent.........with this cups hosts as exceptions