You make the call!

[SgtSlam]

What is the proper call and restart for the follow scenario?

The ball is rolling along the touchline when a coach sticks his foot out and pulls the ball out. The coach (youth u-11 Rec) did not know that the ball had to be entirely over the line before it was considered out for a throw in.

[erictheking]

Drop ball?

And ask him "How can you coach when you don't know the basic rules?"

[law5guy]

What is the proper call and restart for the follow scenario?

The ball is rolling along the touchline when a coach sticks his foot out and pulls the ball out. The coach (youth u-11 Rec) did not know that the ball had to be entirely over the line before it was considered out for a throw in.

A dropped ball at the spot along the touchline where the coach touched the ball would be the 'legal' answer.

However, if no players were going after the ball and it was 'gonna go out anyway', I would just give the throw in, and give the coach a 'friendly' reminder that the ball needs to be all the way across the line.

[SgtSlam]

Thanks for the directions. That is what was done, I just wanted to make sure as it appeared to take away an advantage that the opposing team had on the breakaway, though still quite a long ways away from goal.

I am always surprised by the number of coaches (particularly in the rec side) that have no knowledge of the rules or any experience playing, maybe it is just the area of the country I’m in. The funning thing was the player that had the breakaway was the first person to tell the coach that he messed up. It’s always funny when a 10 year old knows more than the adults that are trying to instruct them.

Again thanks. :)

[BC_Ref]

A dropped ball at the spot along the touchline where the coach touched the ball would be the 'legal' answer.

However, if no players were going after the ball and it was 'gonna go out anyway', I would just give the throw in, and give the coach a 'friendly' reminder that the ball needs to be all the way across the line.

At U11, pretty much agree. Unless the coach is being a jerk (so you suspect that this is deliberate), you can reasonably assume the coach doesn't know and just give the throw-in.

[NHRef]

I am always surprised by the number of coaches (particularly in the rec side) that have no knowledge of the rules or any experience playing, maybe it is just the area of the country I’m in.
Again thanks. :)

Probably global, remember how most "rec" coaches end up being coaches. On the form they signed their kid up, there was a box to check if you could help out, they were dumb enough to actually check it (that's how I got started 10 years ago).

Or....

Not enough "dumb parents" checked that box, so the coordinator for that age group needs to "recruit" a coach and that was the first parent to show up so the first one asked/convinced.

:cool:

[Ref Flunkie]

Or if you are being assessed on that U-11 game, you could do a drop ball and just drop it to the team who's ball it would have been. :)

[Wreave]

Might also depend on whose team would have gotten the throw-in. Usually in a situation like this, the coach is trying to give his own team a quick restart. In that case, remind the coach that the ball has to go all the way out, rule outside interference, and do a drop ball (which turns a throw-in for the coach's team into a 50/50 ball). If the throw-in was for the other team, same caution for the coach, but go ahead and do the throw-in.

A one-sided drop ball seems unnecessary for a ball that would have been a throw-in.

NOW. If the ball was still heading down the sideline and was NOT immediately going out, and the coach distrupted an attacking opportunity, STRONG caution to the coach, and a one-sided drop ball would probably be a good choice.

[Attacking Mid]

I had a somewhat similar situation which I'm wondering if it should have warranted a YC:

U16G Division 1 - I'm AR on teams' side (spectators all on opposite touch). Have been having some trouble with subs encroaching into my space to run the line. Playing on turf, so ball rolls fast and true.

Ball is rolling along touchline in a nearly parallel angle and is halfway over the touchline when a substitute player (not in the match at the time) stops the ball with her foot. The ball remained in play, so I didn't signal a TI. Players hesitated briefly, then realized it was still in play, so continued.

Once the play moved away from the area, I verbally reprimanded the substitute. Should I have requested a YC from the CR?

AM.

[Statesman]

If the coach is close enough to the touchline to touch the ball before it goes out you need to bark at him to stay within his technical area. Restart should be a dropped ball, and personally I would give the coach his formal warning.

[njref]

I had a somewhat similar situation which I'm wondering if it should have warranted a YC:

U16G Division 1 - I'm AR on teams' side (spectators all on opposite touch). Have been having some trouble with subs encroaching into my space to run the line. Playing on turf, so ball rolls fast and true.

Ball is rolling along touchline in a nearly parallel angle and is halfway over the touchline when a substitute player (not in the match at the time) stops the ball with her foot. The ball remained in play, so I didn't signal a TI. Players hesitated briefly, then realized it was still in play, so continued.

Once the play moved away from the area, I verbally reprimanded the substitute. Should I have requested a YC from the CR?

AM.

My opinion: if malicious or hurt other team - yc.

If stupidity and hurt her own team or didn't have any real effect- verbal reprimand

[macheath]

My opinion: if malicious or hurt other team - yc.

If stupidity and hurt her own team or didn't have any real effect- verbal reprimand

This is exactly right. Remember that we don't make calls for trifling offenses, which could extend to this situation. If it was trifling and didn't affect play, the verbal warning is right. Otherwise, as NJREF says, card it.

[PirateJohn]

I was still a relatively new referee when I saw something not too dissimilar, but kinda funny. I was refereeing some young girls when a ball popped up in the air and flew several yards close to, but not into, touch.

I was standing a few feet from touch, so I got the perfect view to see that the ball was still in the field the whole time. However, all the parents on the side started saying, "it's out," so the girl on the receiving end, standing close to the line, caught the ball in her arms.

I blew the whistle, shook my head, and said to the parents, "let me call the game, please."

[Wreave]

I had a somewhat similar situation which I'm wondering if it should have warranted a YC:

U16G Division 1 - I'm AR on teams' side (spectators all on opposite touch). Have been having some trouble with subs encroaching into my space to run the line. Playing on turf, so ball rolls fast and true.

Ball is rolling along touchline in a nearly parallel angle and is halfway over the touchline when a substitute player (not in the match at the time) stops the ball with her foot. The ball remained in play, so I didn't signal a TI. Players hesitated briefly, then realized it was still in play, so continued.

Once the play moved away from the area, I verbally reprimanded the substitute. Should I have requested a YC from the CR?

AM.

It sounds like the subs had already been warned! And U16 D1 should know better. It's not like it was U12 rec. My vote is to issue the caution.

And unless play was continuing to advantage of the team who didn't enter the field without permission and touch the ball illegally, again, at U16 D1 I would have stopped play, issue the caution, restart with a drop.

It doesn't sound like this situation was appropriate for a really strong reaction, but if the player or team needed a serious wake-up call, you could issue a caution for entering the field without permission, and a send-off for USB/second caution. That's more normally used when a sub deliberately and maliciously reaches onto the field to stop a ball that would otherwise have been a powerful attack.

[PirateJohn]

And unless play was continuing to advantage of the team who didn't enter the field without permission and touch the ball illegally, again, at U16 D1 I would have stopped play, issue the caution, restart with a drop.Actually, you can't apply advantage in that situation. The rule book is clear -- if the ball is interefered with by someone other than the twenty-two players, three officials, or field equipment, it is a dropped ball no matter what. But definitely caution the player, especially at a U-16 game where there is no excuse for doing something that stupid.

[IASocFan]

In a U12 rec game several years ago, I had the coach stop the ball on the line. I forget which team had kicked it, but there weren't any players around the ball yet, and it was rolling along the line. I wasn't sure whether it would have eventually gone out or stayed in.

I figured that if the coach didn't know that the ball was still in play, he wouldn't know the correct restart, and one rule was enough for him to learn that day. I blew the whistle, gave him a few kind words, and restarted with an IFK for the opposing team. (my version of a one team drop ball that had come to rest :)) I'm sure he and his team knew when the ball was in and out of play after that day.

[Gary V]

Actually, you can't apply advantage in that situation. The rule book is clear -- if the ball is interefered with by someone other than the twenty-two players, three officials, or field equipment, it is a dropped ball no matter what.Remember that there was a change in Law 3 for 2005. A substitute is no longer treated as a pure outside agent. Entering the field without permission by a substitute results in an IFK for the opponents, at the position of the ball at the time of the entrance.

It's very possible that a sub near to the line, but not on the field, could redirect a ball to keep it from going out of play, all without ever entering the field. For this case, I think we can consider the sub to have entered. Else we would be hard-pressed to find any label to call the illegal action. "Getting too close to the line" - I don't think so, Tim.

[Wreave]

Actually, you can't apply advantage in that situation. The rule book is clear -- if the ball is interefered with by someone other than the twenty-two players, three officials, or field equipment, it is a dropped ball no matter what. But definitely caution the player, especially at a U-16 game where there is no excuse for doing something that stupid.

Sorry, I'll clarify. I wasn't suggesting applying Advantage (capital A). Note that previous posters suggested letting play continue as well. I was suggesting recognizing the offense as trifling and allowing play to continue. It's probably trifling if it didn't hurt the opponent of the player who interfered with the ball. However, if the player who interfered with the ball did so to the detriment of the opponent, that's not trifling, blow the whistle, caution the player.

Remember that there was a change in Law 3 for 2005. A substitute is no longer treated as a pure outside agent. Entering the field without permission by a substitute results in an IFK for the opponents, at the position of the ball at the time of the entrance.

Good point on the IFK restart. Thanks.