Who's the best coach/manager?

[schafer]

Not very difficult to 'assemble' championship calibre teams when you have money and a great youth acadamy. Any coach with half a brain could have done what Ferguson has done.

As Dellci2001 pointed out, Ferguson has made some very astute purchases and even recently, the amount spent on players like Vidic and Evra who have matured under his tutelage into top class players is impressively small. Obviously he's spent alot on the likes of Rooney and Ferdinand but that's required particularly now in order to stay at the top.

As for the great youth academy point, great youth team players don't necessarily make great pros. In fact they rarely do. The manager has a lot to do with that, and as I understand it Ferguson is more involved with signing youth players than most managers in any case.

And your last sentence is simply ridiculous. Honestly, quite possibly one of the stupidest things I've ever read on BigSoccer, and that takes some doing. The idea that 'any coach with half a brain' could have achieved what Ferguson has, first with Aberdeen and now Manchester United, is so far off the mark. To dominate one of the best domestic leagues in Europe for over 15 years, to reinvent several new sides, to incorporate local talent and to groom players like Ronaldo, Scholes, Ferdinand, etc., to the point where they are some of the best in the world in their positions and to have won the Champions league twice as well is something that I doubt many managers in the history of the game could do, and it certainly requires more than half a brain.

[Man_Utd_Fan]

Sir Alex for me, look what he has has done with Man Utd.

[Duck Manson]

As Dellci2001 pointed out, Ferguson has made some very astute purchases and even recently, the amount spent on players like Vidic and Evra who have matured under his tutelage into top class players is impressively small. .And you think it's Ferguson that discovered these players? Ever heard of scouts?

[Duck Manson]

And local talent you talk about? How many in todays starting lineup were born in Manchester?

[phat]

I can't believe so little people voted for Marcello Lippi. No disrespect to Mou and SAF but they come behind Lippi.

Look at his Honours:

Juventus
Italian League Championships (5)

1995, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2003
Runners up: 1996

Coppa Italia (1)
1995
Runner-up (2): 2002, 2004

Supercoppa Italiana (4)
1995, 1997, 2002, 2003
Runner-up (1): 1998

UEFA Champions League (1)
1996
Runner-up (3):1997, 1998, 2003

European Supercup (1)
1996

Intercontinental Cup (1)
1996

UEFA Cup
Runner-up (1): 1995

FIFA World Cup (1)
2006

Serie A Coach of the Year: 1997, 1998, 2003
IFFHS The World's best National Coach: 2006
IFFHS The World's best Club Coach: 1996, 1998
Onze d'Or Coach of the Year: 2007

[Tony Dellbird]

I can't believe so little people voted for Marcello Lippi. No disrespect to Mou and SAF but they come behind Lippi.

Look at his Honours:

Juventus
Italian League Championships (5)

1995, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2003
Runners up: 1996

Coppa Italia (1)
1995
Runner-up (2): 2002, 2004

Supercoppa Italiana (4)
1995, 1997, 2002, 2003
Runner-up (1): 1998

UEFA Champions League (1)
1996
Runner-up (3):1997, 1998, 2003

European Supercup (1)
1996

Intercontinental Cup (1)
1996

UEFA Cup
Runner-up (1): 1995

FIFA World Cup (1)
2006

Serie A Coach of the Year: 1997, 1998, 2003
IFFHS The World's best National Coach: 2006
IFFHS The World's best Club Coach: 1996, 1998
Onze d'Or Coach of the Year: 2007

That's still nowhere near the calibre of SAF, but still very good.

[BocaFan]

That's still nowhere near the calibre of SAF, but still very good.

:confused: I'd say its pretty close to SAF's list of accomplishments. The only big difference is in # of domestic championships, but you have to admit that winning Serie "A" was ALOT more difficult than winning the Premiership up until at least 2004. There were 7 legitimate contenders for the Italian championship in the late nineties compared to 2 in the Premiership. :cool:

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Pretty close?

Look at his Honours:
(I will not bother to include runners up...)


St. Mirren (1974–1978)

Scottish First Division (1): 1976-77

Aberdeen (1978–1986)

Scottish Premier Division (3): 1979-80, 1983-84, 1984-85
SFA Cup (4): 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup (1): 1985-86
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1982–83
UEFA Super Cup (1): 1983

Manchester United (1986–present)

Premier League (10): 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup (5): 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
League Cup (2): 1991–92, 2005–06
FA Charity/Community Shield (8): 1990, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League (2): 1998–99, 2007–08
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1990–91
UEFA Super Cup (1): 1991
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1999
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008


Individual

Football Writers' Association Tribute Award: 1996
Mussabini Medal: 1999
UEFA Champions League Manager of the Year: 1998–99
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award: 1999
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Team Award: 1999
IFFHS Club Coach of the Year: 1999
LMA Manager of the Decade: 1990s
Laureus World Sports Award for Team of the Year: 2000
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Lifetime Achievement Award: 2001
English Football Hall of Fame: 2002
Onze d'Or Coach of the Year: 1999, 2007
Professional Footballers' Association Merit Award: 2007
UEFA Team of the Year: 2007
FA Premier League Manager of the Year: 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–00, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Premier League Manager of the Month: August 1993, October 1994, February 1996, March 1996, February 1997, October 1997, January 1999, April 1999, August 1999, March 2000, April 2000, February 2001, April 2003, December 2003, February 2005, March 2006, August 2006, October 2006, February 2007, January 2008, March 2008
LMA Manager of the Year: 1998–99, 2007–08
World Soccer Magazine World Manager of the Year: 1993, 1999, 2007, 2008

Orders and special awards

Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE): 1983
Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE): 1995
Knight Bachelor: 1999

Credit, as always, to wiki.

[Tony Dellbird]

Thanks Teso...see, I know all you lot may hate England and their football, that's fair enough but there's no need to be stupid is there?

[Andy Bennett]

And you think it's Ferguson that discovered these players? Ever heard of scouts?
Well that will be pretty much the same for all modern managers, wouldn't it.

[Duck Manson]

That's still nowhere near the calibre of SAF, but still very good.He has a World Cup gold medal. He automatically beats Alex.

[Duck Manson]

Well that will be pretty much the same for all modern managers, wouldn't it.Yes it would. Glad we cleared that up right nice.

[Duck Manson]

Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE): 1983
Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE): 1995
Knight Bachelor: 1999

Credit, as always, to wiki.Wow I'm glad you included those super important titles. Those really put Alex over the top. :rolleyes:

[Teso Dos Bichos]

He has a World Cup gold medal. He automatically beats Alex.

So does Scolari. It means shit.

Yes it would. Glad we cleared that up right nice.

Ferguson was the one who created our youth system and the model for other clubs to follow.

Wow I'm glad you included those super important titles. Those really put Alex over the top. :rolleyes:

I included everything as not doing so would be dishonest. At least I included actual honours instead of trying to boost Lippi's record by laughably including runners-up..! :rolleyes:

[Duck Manson]

So does Scolari. It means shit.
So in your opinion winning the Scottish Cup means more then the World Cup? You're even dumber then I feared.Ferguson was the one who created our youth system and the model for other clubs to follow.Ferguson didn't create shit. Developing talent has been done since before he was born.
I included everything as not doing so would be dishonest. At least I included actual honours instead of trying to boost Lippi's record by laughably including runners-up..! :rolleyes: Yeah those were really important. I bet Lippi would gladly trade away his World Cup medal to be called sir in a country of teethless people. Well done.

[johan neeskens]

Ferguson never coached another big club or indeed a country so it's impossible to assess how good he really is. Very few managers get the opportunity to shape a team over a long period with all the money in the world the way Ferguson has. Also in my view Ferguson is rubbish in one vital aspect of the football manager game: communicating with the media.

[johan neeskens]

I included everything as not doing so would be dishonest. At least I included actual honours instead of trying to boost Lippi's record by laughably including runners-up..! :rolleyes:

Winning things doesn't necessarily mean you're a good manager. Getting Greece to win the Euros is a helluvalot bigger achievement that getting ManU to win the CL for example. You need to look at the material these managers work with.

[Duck Manson]

Bottom line is Ferguson has never done anything exceptional.

[Tony Dellbird]

Winning things doesn't necessarily mean you're a good manager. Getting Greece to win the Euros is a helluvalot bigger achievement that getting ManU to win the CL for example. You need to look at the material these managers work with.

It is considering the state United were in during the Atkinson years and what they were when Fergie picked them up.

[cr7torossi]

Ferguson never coached another big club or indeed a country so it's impossible to assess how good he really is. Very few managers get the opportunity to shape a team over a long period with all the money in the world the way Ferguson has. Also in my view Ferguson is rubbish in one vital aspect of the football manager game: communicating with the media.

Another one who has never heard of breaking the Celtic-Rangers hegemony and winning in Europe with Aberdeen.