Who's the best coach/manager?

[Massimo_Oddo]

By "Couldn't do anything" I assume you mean going out on penalties to Brazil in the semi-finals of the World Cup, while playing some of the most beautiful football in the tournament.

And by "glorified fitness coach" I assume you mean getting S. Korea to the World Cup semi-finals (against even the most optimistic estimates), Australia to the knock out rounds of the World Cup, and Russia (a team that had never made it to the group stage of a major tournament) to the semi-finals of Euro 2008.

Yeah, you're right dude: Guus isn't too useful. :rolleyes:

And how convenient it was for you to just not mention his performance at Euro 96. :rolleyes:

2 tournaments and he couldn't even reach the final with such a talented side. But of course he played beautiful football, so its ok! :p

He got Korea far thanks to the refs coupled with his fitness regime. With Australia he couldn't even beat 10 man Italy. For Russia, their superior fitness was what made them beat Holland. Hiddink is not really a a great tactician.

[Joga Bonito™]

What has Mourinho done that earns him the credit of Best manager?

Won the Portuguese league, the Premier League, and the UEFA CL/Cup?

Best manager of all-time? Not by a long-shot.

Ok Hiddink, more respectable, still not the best

Wenger should have more votes he is better.

You people need to learn about the history of football.

Do the names Rinus Michels, Ernst Happel, Gusztav Sebes, or Zagallo ring a bell?

In my opinion Zagallo and Sebes are the best, but most would agree Michels or Happel.

[catracho19]

Steve Bruce. Coach of Wigan Athletic. He saved them from relegation and has an extensive network of scouts that have brought him young players from all over the world with so much potential. He has players from Holland, Honduras, Senegal, Jamaica, etc. He gets along with everyone on the team and Sir Alex Ferguson considers him one of his options after he steps down. Steve Bruce was captain of Manchester United years back when Sir Alex was still in charge. They are good friends and Steve has really proven his commitment and worth to the Premier League.

[vilafria]

Steve Bruce. Coach of Wigan Athletic. He saved them from relegation and has an extensive network of scouts that have brought him young players from all over the world with so much potential. He has players from Holland, Honduras, Senegal, Jamaica, etc. He gets along with everyone on the team and Sir Alex Ferguson considers him one of his options after he steps down. Steve Bruce was captain of Manchester United years back when Sir Alex was still in charge. They are good friends and Steve has really proven his commitment and worth to the Premier League.

He still is in charge :)

[Duck Manson]

what playing dirty (see the elbow on Del Piero or the hack on Zambrotta for example), or waiting for an opposition player to get sent off? or having goals that are scored against them ruled out for nothing!?They have shit players and still did great. Credit for that goes to the manager.

[bosterosoy]

They have shit players and still did great. Credit for that goes to the manager.

Credit goes to the people who put together and won the bid to host that WC or else they would have done what they always do, lose everything. Credit goes to the referees who allowed them to beat Italy and Spain

[Untroubled by Reason]

And how convenient it was for you to just not mention his performance at Euro 96. :rolleyes:

2 tournaments and he couldn't even reach the final with such a talented side. But of course he played beautiful football, so its ok! :p

He got Korea far thanks to the refs coupled with his fitness regime. With Australia he couldn't even beat 10 man Italy. For Russia, their superior fitness was what made them beat Holland. Hiddink is not really a a great tactician.
I took Euro 96 into consideration, to be sure, but it didn't bolster my argument, so why should I mention it? ;)

I did mention WC 98, though. Getting to the semifinals in a World Cup is a significant achievement, particularly for the Dutch. They are often talented, as you point out, but just as often divisive. Hiddink's keeping them together to a third place finish proves what a good job he did.

[Massimo_Oddo]

I took Euro 96 into consideration, to be sure, but it didn't bolster my argument, so why should I mention it? ;)

I did mention WC 98, though. Getting to the semifinals in a World Cup is a significant achievement, particularly for the Dutch. They are often talented, as you point out, but just as often divisive. Hiddink's keeping them together to a third place finish proves what a good job he did.

Well exactly, you admit it, you don't mention because it doesn't fit in with your argument. He barely scraped through the group and then went out straight away to France, noto to mention that embaressing 4-1 defeat.

I think a Dutch side that talented should've got to the final at least. He didn't do a bad job, but i reckon most decent would managers would've got to the semi's aswell. They came 4th aswell, not 3rd, but i won't hold that against him since the 3rd place playoff is such a pointless match.

[soccerlike]

Eventhough jose is good, wenger is doing fine too, but my vote go to Ferguson since he is the real tactician, he can change the game in a split of second..just my 5 cent view..

[Massimo_Oddo]

Eventhough jose is good, wenger is doing fine too, but my vote go to Ferguson since he is the real tactician, he can change the game in a split of second..just my 5 cent view..

except it's Queiroz who did the tactics.

[england66]

except it's Queiroz who did the tactics.

Portugal are about to find out if he's any good, personally I think he sucks.

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

German: Otto Rehhagel

Werder (1980 - 1995)
- hired at Werder when they were relegated to 2.BL
- won 2.BL with 98 points (record in Germany)
- reached directly UEFA cup as promoted team (rank 5)
- titles:
German champ (1988, 2003)
German vice champ (1983, 1985, 1986, 1995)
German cup winner (1991, 1994)
UEFA cup winner cup (1992)
German indoor champ (1989)

Bayern (1995 - 1996):
-would have won them the UEFA cup in 1995/96 if Beckenbauer
hadn´t stolen it (fired Rehhagel in April, introduced himself as coach
to win the title) :mad:

Kaiserslautern (1996 - 2000)
- also took them over in 2.BL, got promoted and directly lead them
to German championship (unique time, that a promoted team could win the league - also made Bayern very happy :D )

Greece NT (2001 - today)
- suprised whole Europe with winning Euro 2004 with them

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International: Alex Ferguson:
-great start with Aberdeen in the early 80s
- simply a legend with ManU

[Massimo_Oddo]

I'm suprised Rehagal is not included considering what he did with Greece and Kaiserlautern.

[england66]

I'm suprised Rehagal is not included considering what he did with Greece...

What he did with Greece was try and set the game back 25 years....(he succeeded...for then)

[Duck Manson]

Exactly what I was thinking. I'd rather a team I hate win playing entertaining football, then some crap Greece piece of shit football. Must be the most boring team to ever win a trophy in the history of team sports.

[Massimo_Oddo]

What he did with Greece was try and set the game back 25 years....(he succeeded...for then)

what he did with greece is win a european championship, something england have never done.

[england66]

what he did with greece is win a european championship, something england have never done.


We know that. What has he done since..?? got his ass handed to him as everyone figured out this one trick pony.

[Massimo_Oddo]

We know that. What has he done since..?? got his ass handed to him as everyone figured out this one trick pony.

Erm Greece aren't exactly a superpower, what do you expect him to do, go win the World Cup aswell?

[england66]

Erm Greece aren't exactly a superpower, what do you expect him to do, go win the World Cup aswell?


No...I expect him to do what Greece has always done...slide back into mediocrity.

[Massimo_Oddo]

No...I expect him to do what Greece has always done...slide back into mediocrity.

but it doesn't take away anything from what he achieved at Euro 2004.