Tiago, Pedretti, Clement - What's your choice?

[Allez Lyonnais]

For me, it's Tiago..

[rockymtn_mike]

I got to agree I like Tiago

[SportBoy333]

This shouldnt even be an issue. Clement is too young and Pedretti is too inconsistant.

[guignol]

all of them. giving up on ben would be a mistake, he can add a dimension tiago can't. more physical, but with good technique, and his long balls can be as good as anyone's since scifo.

i say let 'em win a cup each:

- tiago the CL
- pedretti the L1
- clément the CdF.

:D

[guignol]

here's an article from the free daily Lyon Plus:

The Portuguese player Tiago, who was transferred at the end of August from
Chelsea to Lyon, has quickly adapted to OL's game. Even to the point of making
people forget his predecessor in the midfield Michael Essien.

Quite a feat. The Ghanaian had after all been voted Ligue 1 player of the year
last year, and the discussions over his transfer to English champion Chelsea
had made headlines all summer and provoked a lot of anxiety among the Lyon
fans.

The technical wizardry of Tiago Cardoso Mendes, his tactical sense, his ability
to hold onto the ball and move it forward fit perfectly in the ball-control
adopted by manager Gérard Houllier, more in any case than the qualities of
Essien, whose style was more physical.

The Lyon team also profits from the clever positioning of the Portuguese
international to win balls, especially on the second touch after goal kicks.

In league play, Tiago has started 6 times and come off the bench once, and has
already scored two goals, against Lens (1-1) and Rennes (3-1). He has also bee
invaluable in Lyon's three Champions' League victories over Real Madrid (3-0),
Rosenborg Trondheim (1-0) and Olympiakos Piraeus (2-1).

"I had little hope for much playing time at Chelsea, and the fact that Lyon is a
big club that has played the CL quarterfinals the last two years contributed to
my decision to come here", he explained upon his arrival at OL.

"Tiago is obviously four times less expensive than Michael Essien, but certainly
not four times less good", Houllier assured when the negotiations were
concluded. And the supporters once again have good reason to praise their
president Jean-Michel Aulas, who was able to get 38M€ for Essien, a record sum
for French football, and get Tiago for 10M€. Chelsea had shelled out 12M€ to
recruit him a year earlier from Benfica Lisbon.

In the Portuguese national team, Tiago, (1m83 and 75kg) 24 years old, started
next to Maniche in Porto against Latvia (3-0) in their last WC qualifying match.
In Germany he will join many of his Lyon teammates, not only French but
also Brazilian (Juninho) and Norwegian (John Carew).

[okocha1]

Its seems like Tiago is playing quite well for Lyon this season. Even better than he played for us last season. I just wish we hadn't sold him, because he has vast amounts of potential (displayed it in Manu game at OT last year) and could have deputized for Lampard. He reminds me of Rui Costa or Deco in some ways. He was an unsung hero (much like Maka) for the press but in the dressing room I think the Chelsea players really respected him and his quality. I just wanted to ask the Lyon fans think of Tiago. How does he compare with Essien?

I miss Tiago, and wish him well (except if Lyon play Chelsea! :D )

[guignol]

i'm very pleased with the way things have turned out.

both tiago and essien can cover amazing amounts of ground. both are fast and have fine technique. essien was much more physical, tiago has better vision and passing.

both will keep improving, but i think tiago will end up the better of the two.

to improve, essien must mature mentally: play better under pressure, avoid stupid, angry fouls, and make better decisions. this can come with experience, but not necessarily.

tiago already has that intelligence on the field. he needs to bulk up a bit, but there are lots of OL players who will show him around the weight room. all in all it's a lot easier than what essien needs to work on.

[okocha1]

Thanks, I wish we never sold Tiago, but at least Essien (22) has two years to play catchup with Tiago (24). Essien has more power, pace, and presence however, Tiago like you said has better vision, awareness, and shooting. I think they both have good technical ability, but Essien sometimes doesn't pass when he should. How bout their range of passing?

[blackjack]

i think tiago will end up the better of the two.

Not trolling here, but I think you're very wrong about this. Essien has had at least 5 MOTM performances for Chelsea. He can do everything: get stuck in, attack, make runs, and even take the ball down the wing from time to time. He even played RB for us on one occasion, and was dominant there as well. It's evident when he's not playing. Yes, he needs to learn to control himself a bit, but that will come with age. Tiago is good, certainly, but I think Essien has the potential to become one of the best midfielders in the world.

[sl7vk]

Essien is better for the English game, Tiago for the French game. Both teams won, but the transaction made Lyon 28 million euros richer.

[blackjack]

Essien is better for the English game, Tiago for the French game. Both teams won, but the transaction made Lyon 28 million euros richer.

That's a fair assessment. If Lyon can use that money to really cement their status as a top club for years to come, I'll be even more pleased with the transaction.

[guignol]

Essien is better for the English game, Tiago for the French game. Both teams won, but the transaction made Lyon 28 million euros richer.i'd rep both you and blackjack but have to spread it around first.

i'm glad to see mike's settling in well at chelsea. my comparison was based on what i saw of him last year, where he was an integral part of an excellent midfield but not really more important to the team than tiago is becoming.

they both are good at recuperating and transmitting the ball in the middle; differences in style apart, the OL midfield is almost identical to last years' in this department.

going forward is where they're different. when essien smelled the goal he worked it in and scored himself. tiago so far hasn't shown that. but he has just missed with a couple of beauties from outside the box, and he has sent in others with very deft passing that mike never seemed to have.

[themaestro]

Tiago has surprised me this year , I thought he may not even see much time at Lyon, but I applaud him for his effort, and it looks like he is really making a go of it.

[okocha1]

"Coupet Hails Tiago"

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=346622&CPID=24&clid=&lid=&title=Coupet+hails+Tiago

Is Tiago really as strong as Essien? If so, he has improved tremedously since leaving us.

[SMSM]

no away ..essean = Tiago, Pedretti, Clement together :D essean batter than Tiago ..
if thiago great whay chelsea let him go and contract with essean??
yes i am crazy fan for purtgal football ..but i never like thiago ..he dont have any Special think !! he cant scored from FK or have heading shoot !! or power shoot !! or big skills to drible many player and made great assiste !!

for me maniche and fernandes and pettet best DMF now in purtgal ..

he have many mistake in center ..many wornk pass ..he just play because have great decorum can run all time in match :D and many pueple think this is real DMF!!!!!

[Breakwood]

I think my IQ dropped about 20 points after reading...errr...seeing that.

[realkevincn]

no away ..essean = Tiago, Pedretti, Clement together :D essean batter than Tiago ..
if thiago great whay chelsea let him go and contract with essean??

does not make sense at all.
A player who can play well in Italia does not neccesarily play well in England, see Henry and Crespo. Zidane went to Real Madrid, does this mean he is useless to Juve?
Same thing Tiago may not feel comfortable to play in a not so skillful league -- EPL.
Chealsea wanted sign Essien coz he did well in the CL last year, but Tiago did not have a chance to show his quality. If Tiago plays great in CL this year, Juve or Milan may want to sign him, then what will you say?

[CRonaldo_07]

WoW, I cant believe I am hearing so many great things about Tiago in this thread.

At Benfica he was certianly great, but at Chelsea i felt it was a big step back for him and I lost alot of hope. Its great to hear things like juve and other big clubs might be interested in him soon :eek:

If its true of what your all saying trhen he should certianly be ahead of manuel fernandes maniche and moutinho in portugals midfield..


Just wonderinhg, but how has he done the past while..this thread hasnt bene getting many updates...and how good do you think Tiago will become??

Thanks in advance guys.

[jec1]

This Is What Makes A Player When They Have Achange Of Scenery.

Tiago Is That Type Of Player That Played For Three Teams

He Feels Home In Lyon :D (hey That Rhymes)

[SMSM]

realkevincn dear maybe your right and maybe your wornk ..

because juve or S A not Portgal luegue !!

i want know what he doing great for lyon now !! he not scored any goals !!
he not made any assest !! he dont have great body like essean !!



for me lyon can win UCL if he playing like this ..


---------diara--------
-----juninho----------
---------------maluda-
guvo-----------------
---fred---carow-------

@ manich can scored some great goals and can assest some goals and have very good skills if he want go to attack ..

@ fernandes big talent have great skills can drible many player and shooting or assest ..he can by playmaker in MF like juninho with lyon or pierlo with milan ..

@ pettet can scored from FK he scored 4 goals last month with binfeca or NT .. and he can win many tikle like manchester match he man of match for me ..

but thiago dont have any Special !! tell my he can scored from FK or not !! he can by playmaker or not !! he can win many takle like diara in lyon or makelele in chelsea or not !! he can scored goals from heading shooting or not !!

what he number with lyon !! he is not best player in lyon !! he is in 8 !!!!!


1. G.COUPET 6.13 9.0 5.0 19
2. P.JUNINHO 6.07 8.0 4.5 15
3. M.DIARRA 5.77 7.5 4.0 15
4. CRIS 5.64 7.5 3.5 18
5. S.GOVOU 5.62 6.5 4.5 13
6. C.CACAPA 5.58 7.0 3.5 18
7. J.CAREW 5.46 6.5 4.5 12
8. TIAGO 5.38 6.0 3.5 12
9. S.WILTORD 5.27 6.5 4.5 13
10. A.REVEILLERE 5.27 7.0 4.0 15

he best vote for him is 6 loool and bad vote is 3 :p thats mean if we vote for best MDF in france liga 1 he never by in 20 best player !!

many time i think diara miss essean because many team i think lyon start match with 10 player not 11 !!!!!!!!

any body watch lyon -lille match know how he is bad player thiago loool ..
he scored 2 goals in season to now from mistake in DF not great goals from him !!

@ i think he great person but bad player ..because he great person he can by frend for he coach ..and after that he play all match because he freind coach not because he great player lool...

i hope lyon contract with EMERSE FAE or bodmer or TOULALAN ..this talent can by great with diara and juninho in MF ..

@ for me i dont know why Pedretti by bad player !! he playing great with france u21 and with suchox last 2years ..when he team have many talent liks do santos and monsare - fruo - uroma elc ..

i told this guy is lucky to play with big team like lyon or chelsea or purtgal NT !!



http://terceiroanel.weblog.com.pt/superliga/benfica/tiago_santos.jpg
:D

please give me your lucky maybe i can play with my saudi team :p