henry or adriano

[duthedudek]

whos better henry or adriano

[marcin79]

same level.

[laudrup]

Henry. Adriano has lots to win before he can compare.

[Eddie26]

Henry. Adriano has lots to win before he can compare.

So does Henry.

[BSjanitor]

Right now Adriano is better, hands down, but Henry is a more accomplished and well-rounded player. Give Adriano a couple years and he'll get there

[laudrup]

So does Henry.

Henry has a WC and a Euro with France, as well as tons of English silverware. Adriano has, I think, 1 Coppa Italia with Inter and a Copa America with Brazil. Start making sense man. How does Henry have to win more trophies to compare with Adriano's short list? We are comparing Henry and Adriano here, not Henry, Adriano, and an imaginary player that has won all there is to win. As of now, either Adriano starts winning stuff fast or he can't compare with Henry.

[Dark Savante]

Henry. Adriano has lots to win before he can compare.
So...would you say..Zico was not comparable to Henry then? Considering who has the bigger tropy cabinet....

[laudrup]

I am too young to have seen Zico play, so I'll pass on that one. But one measure of a player's greatness IS how many trophies he can decisively participate in. Henry and Adriano are very similar players at a very similar point in time playing in teams of a similar level. The easiest way to compare them, then, is how much stuff they can win, individually and for their teams. If you can find a way of better comparing these two players in an objectice manner, I am open to suggestions. Come on, this is an easy comparison to make, it's not like deciding if Pele was better than Maradona or if Zico was better than Henry.

[midknight]

Henry has a WC and a Euro with France, as well as tons of English silverware. Adriano has, I think, 1 Coppa Italia with Inter and a Copa America with Brazil. Start making sense man. How does Henry have to win more trophies to compare with Adriano's short list? We are comparing Henry and Adriano here, not Henry, Adriano, and an imaginary player that has won all there is to win. As of now, either Adriano starts winning stuff fast or he can't compare with Henry.

I believe there are also some Confederations Cups in there.

I personally think its like comparing Apples and Oranges. Henry is speed and versatility (think head game) Adriano is power and perseverance. These better than debates are usually fruitless (no pun intended :D )

[midknight]

I am too young to have seen Zico play, so I'll pass on that one. But one measure of a player's greatness IS how many trophies he can decisively participate in. Henry and Adriano are very similar players at a very similar point in time playing in teams of a similar level. The easiest way to compare them, then, is how much stuff they can win, individually and for their teams. If you can find a way of better comparing these two players in an objectice manner, I am open to suggestions. Come on, this is an easy comparison to make, it's not like deciding if Pele was better than Maradona or if Zico was better than Henry.

Henry broke out in 1998/1999...Adriano broke out last year to the best of my knowledge. That's a six year difference. You also seem to be forgetting that the trophies are all team efforts, and more than any other position except probably goalkeeper, the performances of a striker depend on the kind of performance his teammates put up...

Thnk how great ruud Van Nistelrooy would be if he had no one capable of getting the ball into the box for him... :rolleyes:

[Dark Savante]

I am too young to have seen Zico play, so I'll pass on that one. But one measure of a player's greatness IS how many trophies he can decisively participate in. Henry and Adriano are very similar players at a very similar point in time playing in teams of a similar level. The easiest way to compare them, then, is how much stuff they can win, individually and for their teams. If you can find a way of better comparing these two players in an objectice manner, I am open to suggestions. Come on, this is an easy comparison to make, it's not like deciding if Pele was better than Maradona or if Zico was better than Henry.
I'd suggest your reasoning is flawed for a number of reasons. I'm not going to go in depth but first point of order would be that Adriano is 22 and Henry is 28. Secondly, is Inter Milan in a comparable position to what Arsenal were when they were winning league titles..i.e top 2 team in the league?

There isn't even a level of comparison between Zico - an all-time legend - and Henry. My point of using him was that he didn't win much certainly nowhere near as much as Henry has had the fortune to be part of..that does not lessen his abilities as an individual though. Titles and a players' deciseness in attaining them should play a part...but then you saying 'Henry won a world cup' is misleading. He got a medal and scored a few in the groups but he was not decisive for the NT that won the WC - their backline and Deschamps were.

[laudrup]

Henry is less than 5 years older than Adriano. With great players, that is as contemporary as you get. And you seem to be forgetting that, although it is a team effort, success does depend on whether the players that make up that team are good or not. Obviously both Adriano and Henry are very good players, I'm not denying that, but Henry has a career to speak of, in which he has proven his class not only by performing well (that is in the eye of the beholder), but also by leading his team into winning trophies, and winning them himself for his individual performances, trophies that are often objective (top goal scorer) or awarded by his peers (FA player of the year).

Adriano, performance-wise, is a very good player, but he has a team with very good players, comparable to Arsenal's, yet so far he has not shown the drive or the contribution that Henry has shown for Arsenal. Obviously 5 years from now this might have changed, but, as of today, Adriano has to prove that he is better than Henry and not the other way round.

[nicephoras]

Henry is less than 5 years older than Adriano. With great players, that is as contemporary as you get. And you seem to be forgetting that, although it is a team effort, success does depend on whether the players that make up that team are good or not. Obviously both Adriano and Henry are very good players, I'm not denying that, but Henry has a career to speak of, in which he has proven his class not only by performing well (that is in the eye of the beholder), but also by leading his team into winning trophies, and winning them himself for his individual performances, trophies that are often objective (top goal scorer) or awarded by his peers (FA player of the year).

Adriano, performance-wise, is a very good player, but he has a team with very good players, comparable to Arsenal's, yet so far he has not shown the drive or the contribution that Henry has shown for Arsenal. Obviously 5 years from now this might have changed, but, as of today, Adriano has to prove that he is better than Henry and not the other way round.
I agree with your argument here, although using trophies won is a bad idea. Henry scored several goals against Saudi Arabia at the WC and didn't start the final. Nor was he instrumental in the Euro win. Roque Jr. has won more in his career than Fabio Cannavaro. Far more. Whom would you take?

[yasik19]

Henry has had a better carreer, Adriano has potential to become a beter player, but he's not there yet.

[laudrup]

Part of my argument that everyone is missing is that in order to use the trophies won comparison you need to have contemporary players (more or less) that play in teams with similar levels of ability (Arsenal vs. Inter, France 98-2000 vs. Brazil) and are more or less similar players (productive strikers). If any of these fail, then they are not comparable. They might not even be comparable now, but we might as well give it a try.

Cannavaro played the best years of his career for Parma (where he did win silverware, albeit minor) and a conservative Italy side, while Roque Junior played for AC Milan and Brazil. Now that Cannavaro is playing for Juve, the trophy gap is quickly closing.

Anyway, since I'm getting slaughtered from all sides here, I'd like to hear from any of you doing the slaughtering that Adriano is a better player than Henry. It's the whole point of the thread, not going at me like I was a piñata.

[benni...]

But one measure of a player's greatness IS how many trophies he can decisively participate in.

Mickey Silvestre has won a lot of trohpies... Does that mean we cant compare him with Nesta, or Cannovaro?

[nicephoras]

Part of my argument that everyone is missing is that in order to use the trophies won comparison you need to have contemporary players (more or less) that play in teams with similar levels of ability (Arsenal vs. Inter, France 98-2000 vs. Brazil) and are more or less similar players (productive strikers). If any of these fail, then they are not comparable. They might not even be comparable now, but we might as well give it a try.

Cannavaro played the best years of his career for Parma (where he did win silverware, albeit minor) and a conservative Italy side, while Roque Junior played for AC Milan and Brazil. Now that Cannavaro is playing for Juve, the trophy gap is quickly closing.

Anyway, since I'm getting slaughtered from all sides here, I'd like to hear from any of you doing the slaughtering that Adriano is a better player than Henry. It's the whole point of the thread, not going at me like I was a piñata.

I agree with you that Henry should currently be considered the better player (although Adriano is likely to surpass him within a couple of years), I just think the trophy argument is a poor one. Especially for Adriano, who plays for a club with a front office that makes Newcastle and Real Madrid look like models of perspicacity and financial restraint.

[benni...]

To answer the thread question. If im looking for Goals, Id go for Adriano, but if im looking for The whole package, and goals, ill go for Henry.

[sl7vk]

How this is even a question I don't know.....
Henry by about a country mile... Come on people.

[Dark Savante]

How this is even a question I don't know.....
Henry by about a country mile... Come on people.
That's quite ironic considering Adriano can do a lot of things Henry cannot and vice versa. There is no country mile between them, even though this thread is pointless.