View Full Version : Sign this petition, FIFA fair my ass
SS2006
06 Sep 2005, 06:00 PM
http://www.petitiononline.com/uzbekwcq/
i hope you all know what happeend int he uzbek bah game, for the fairness of the game and to rub it in fifas face, sign it
if you oppose this, then DONT SIGN and DONT COMMENT
Ombak
06 Sep 2005, 06:51 PM
http://www.petitiononline.com/uzbekwcq/
i hope you all know what happeend int he uzbek bah game, for the fairness of the game and to rub it in fifas face, sign it
if you oppose this, then DONT SIGN and DONT COMMENTUzbekistan should've never brought it up, they wanted a 3x0 win just because of a referee's mistake!
Babak
06 Sep 2005, 07:05 PM
Uzbekistan should've never brought it up, they wanted a 3x0 win just because of a referee's mistake!
Whether they should have brought it up or not is besides the point. The point is, the current FIFA ruling is an absolute travesty and needs to be changed immediately. It makes you wonder whether the politics has something to do with it. Uzbekistan is a relatively poor Central Asian country with little international appeal. Bahrain is an oil-rich and heavily supported Arab country. Also, it is a known fact that the Asian Football Confederation has heavy Arab influence and power in the administration. Obviousy, Bahrain would be the team of bigger interest between the two if either of them qualify for Germany.
Smoga
06 Sep 2005, 07:19 PM
Hell, I'll sign it, even though I couldn't care less about either team. But there have been many more important reasons in other games where FIFA, if it chose, could have required a replay. This decision smacks of politics.
Ombak
06 Sep 2005, 07:39 PM
Whether they should have brought it up or not is besides the point. The point is, the current FIFA ruling is an absolute travesty and needs to be changed immediately. It makes you wonder whether the politics has something to do with it.I doubt it. It could still be changed in favor of the Uzbek proposal. Their initial proposal was nonsense though.
Babak
06 Sep 2005, 07:43 PM
I doubt it. It could still be changed in favor of the Uzbek proposal. Their initial proposal was nonsense though.
It looks like there is no chance for the decision to be reversed, according to the article on FootballAsia.com:
"the chances of FIFA changing their mind appear to be slim to non-existent.
The official letter from FIFA to the UFF clearly states that their decision (to replay the game and postpone Wednesday's second leg until October 12) is "final and binding".
An offical at the AFC's competition's department in Kuala Lumpur familiar with such matters confirmed that there was no mechanic in place for an appeal by either side.
"The letter clearly states that the decision is final, and there is no mention of an appeals 'window', as if often the case in such matters," explained the official. "
Very very fishy...
Ombak
06 Sep 2005, 07:48 PM
An offical at the AFC's competition's department in Kuala Lumpur familiar with such matters confirmed that there was no mechanic in place for an appeal by either side.Hopefully that won't matter. There was no precedent for deciding to replay the match in the first place so I hope it gets reviewed. I'll definitely side with the conspiracy theorists though if attempts to review this decision are hampered.
EDIT: Also don't forget to link to articles you quote.
ursula
06 Sep 2005, 08:12 PM
Whether they should have brought it up or not is besides the point. The point is, the current FIFA ruling is an absolute travesty and needs to be changed immediately. It makes you wonder whether the politics has something to do with it. Uzbekistan is a relatively poor Central Asian country with little international appeal. Bahrain is an oil-rich and heavily supported Arab country. Also, it is a known fact that the Asian Football Confederation has heavy Arab influence and power in the administration. Obviousy, Bahrain would be the team of bigger interest between the two if either of them qualify for Germany.
Well if you want to go the cynical route then Jack Warner's team in the playoffs would mean no chance at Germany to either Asian team.
bigdelta
07 Sep 2005, 12:22 AM
No,their initial proposal was NOT nonsense.They were screwed,blued,and tattooed.
And to have a replay is utter nonsense.Typical FIFA backroom politics-FOR THE GOOD OF THE GAME-should read "for the SHAME of the game".
Imagine if 2 soccer/football powers were involved and that decision was made and the subsequent FIFA decision was made....
Babak was correct-money talks-and FIFA listens!
New World Order
07 Sep 2005, 01:03 AM
Now all that ******** PISSES ME OFF!!!!
Its the worldgame!!!,,NOT Political Issues.
Uzbekistan made a complaint to FIFA.
Many teams were hard-done-by in the past due to inconsistencies of the officials.
E.g.Italy_Sth Korea (WC02),,Did Italy complain to FIFA?..NO!!!
Just SHUT THE ******** UP,and Move on!!
tomas_brolin
07 Sep 2005, 01:22 AM
can someone fill me in?
Elninho
07 Sep 2005, 02:20 AM
FIFA should have just done nothing, and let the initial result stand. They didn't replay the infamous 1986 World Cup quarterfinal, why should they replay this match? It sets a dangerous precedent. If every match in which a referee made an obvious error were replayed, we'd never see the end of the replays.
almango
07 Sep 2005, 04:21 AM
E.g.Italy_Sth Korea (WC02),,Did Italy complain to FIFA?..NO!!!
Just SHUT THE ******** UP,and Move on!!
I seem to remember Italy complaining to everyone but its true they didn't lodge a protest.
Gen-Max93
07 Sep 2005, 05:45 AM
can someone fill me in?
In the WCQ match of Bahrain vs Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan won the match 1-0 at home, but were denied a 100% clear penalty kick.
Uzbekistan sent an OFFICIAL complaint to FIFA about the penalty that was not called and asked for a 3-0 victory.
FIFA has ruled that the match should be COMPLETLY replayed
FIFA should have let the result stand and just warn the referee that mis-called the penalty. These type of things happen all the time in football, but FIFA's ruling is pretty rare
Gen-Max93
07 Sep 2005, 05:46 AM
can someone fill me in?
More info here:
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-soc-world-cup-replay,1,7381843.story?coll=sns-ap-sports-headlines&ctrack=1&cset=true
midknight
07 Sep 2005, 07:08 AM
In the WCQ match of Bahrain vs Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan won the match 1-0 at home, but were denied a 100% clear penalty kick.
Uzbekistan sent an OFFICIAL complaint to FIFA about the penalty that was not called and asked for a 3-0 victory.
FIFA has ruled that the match should be COMPLETLY replayed
FIFA should have let the result stand and just warn the referee that mis-called the penalty. These type of things happen all the time in football, but FIFA's ruling is pretty rare
I'm starting to read a lot of nonsense about this match so for clarification
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/050906/1/4k3p.html
The Bureau, composed of Chairman Lennart Johansson, Deputy Chairman Julio Grondona, Dr Chung Mong Joon and FIFA General Secretary Urs Linsi, took the decision based on the following facts:
1) At the score of 1-0 in favour of Uzbekistan, in the 39th minute of the match, the referee decided to award a penalty kick to Uzbekistan;
2) The penalty kick was taken and led to goal in favour of Uzbekistan;
3) Before the penalty kick was carried out, an Uzbek player entered the penalty area;
4) Consequently, the referee awarded an indirect free kick to the Bahrain team;
5) However, in such a situation, the Laws of the Game require the referee to order the penalty kick to be retaken;
6) The captain of Uzbekistan team protested to the referee immediately after the mistake had taken place and before the game had restarted. This protest was confirmed after the match;
7) This technical error was confirmed by the match commissioner and the referee inspector in their respective reports;
8) Uzbekistan protested the decision of the referee in a written request, asking for the match to be "cancelled" and be evaluated with a 3-0 forfeit result;
The bureau, taking into consideration that the referee in the match in question had indeed committed a technical error, established that, as a consequence, the match needed to be replayed. As a result, the protest put forward by the Uzbekistan team for the match to be considered a forfeit with a 3–0 result is rejected. In accordance with Art. 12.6 of the Regulations 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany™, this decision is final and binding.
This is a TECHNICAL ERROR people, not an error of appreciation. A referee that chooses not to call a penalty for a handball or disallows a valid goal for offside or a foul is adjudged to have made an ERROR OF APPRECIATION, which he is allowed being human.
The result stands even if the referee may be later suspended. ITs what happened in qualification for the 1974 World Cup, when Trinidad and Tobago were disallowed 4 valid goals for offside against Haiti in what was effectively the match deciding the concacaf qualifier for that WC.
A TECHNICAL ERROR, like a referee adjuging that there was a handball from a defender inside the area, but only giving a free kick (and not a penalty), means that the referee fouled up on the RULES of the game, not on its judgment.
The questions about maradona's goal, geoff hurst's in 1966 or even the italy south korea match are completely irrelevant. However I do agree with the impression that that smells of politics. The Uzbeks were crazy to ask for a
3-0 forfeit victory, but FIFA should have given them the match 2-0, or if that is impossible under the rules, take its usual stance that the results stand.
This is **************** but I'm not signing the petition for the simple reasons that
1) it makes a lot of OTHER claims to which I don't agree and
2) it isn't going to change anything. FIFA isn't going to lose much credibility anywhere else but in Uzbekistan...not exactly a booming market