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Scarecrow
06 Sep 2005, 09:53 AM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-soc-world-cup-replay,1,7381843.story?coll=sns-ap-sports-headlines
DynamoKiev_USA
06 Sep 2005, 12:35 PM
I can't believe there isn't more discussion of this :confused: This decision is just so strange and outrageous, I think corruption must seriously be considered a possibility.
Scarecrow
06 Sep 2005, 01:02 PM
I can't believe there isn't more discussion of this :confused: This decision is just so strange and outrageous, I think corruption must seriously be considered a possibility.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, here we have a team that got the wrong end of a PK, yet still won the match, and now they lose that victory and have to replay a match they won??
uniteo
06 Sep 2005, 01:04 PM
anyone know what was the position of the Uzbek FA (or euivalent)? They may have felt a 1 goal win would not hold up in the 2nd leg...
IASocFan
06 Sep 2005, 01:05 PM
They protested the results hoping for a 3--0 forfeit and ended up with the replay. They and I were unsure whether a 1-0 win would hold up for the rematch in Bahrain.
Scarecrow
06 Sep 2005, 01:22 PM
They are stupid then, why risk taking a win off the board? Now if they draw, they are in terrible shape to go through.
DynamoKiev_USA
06 Sep 2005, 01:24 PM
FIFA isn't kindergarten. If they were annoyed with Uzbekistan demanding, unreasonably, a 3:0 forfeit, they should've just denied the request and let the result stand.
A 0:0 replay is just an absolute travesty.
Forza AZ
06 Sep 2005, 02:22 PM
FIFA isn't kindergarten. If they were annoyed with Uzbekistan demanding, unreasonably, a 3:0 forfeit, they should've just denied the request and let the result stand.
A 0:0 replay is just an absolute travesty.
The best solution would have been to let the match be replayed starting at the moment it went wrong, so with 1-0 for Uzbekistan and the penalty taken again.
The current decision is very strange. Also because I believe Uzbekistan already travelled to Bahrein for the return match, that also has been postponed to next month now. So they have travelled there in vain, so this decision also costs them extra money.
Ombak
06 Sep 2005, 04:41 PM
The best solution would have been to let the match be replayed starting at the moment it went wrong, so with 1-0 for Uzbekistan and the penalty taken again.
The current decision is very strange. Also because I believe Uzbekistan already travelled to Bahrein for the return match, that also has been postponed to next month now. So they have travelled there in vain, so this decision also costs them extra money.Uzbekistan, now that they know they won't get the 3x0 forfeit win that they were stupid enough to demand, are now asking that the game be replayed from the 38th minute PK and go from there.
Babak
06 Sep 2005, 06:54 PM
This is without a doubt one of the most shameful rulings in FIFA's history, if it stands.
Obviously, the Uzbek's are furious:
http://www.footballasia.com/en/comps/worldcup/index.asp?id=40741&sec=0&ssec=0&cid=1247&mth=9&yr=2005
Here is the Bahraini point of view:
http://www.footballasia.com/en/comps/worldcup/index.asp?id=40739&sec=0&ssec=0&cid=1247&mth=9&yr=2005
DynamoKiev_USA
06 Sep 2005, 06:59 PM
What an absolute disgrace. If Uzbekistan loses as a result of this, they should file a lawsuit against FIFA.
Dwbakke
06 Sep 2005, 07:33 PM
I can't believe there isn't more discussion of this :confused: This decision is just so strange and outrageous, I think corruption must seriously be considered a possibility.
I would put outrageous sums of money on the fact that there's corruption involved somehow. I just couldn't tell you where, because it could be from the referee's end or now on FIFA's end. Or both. It's impossible that all this happened completely above-board.
Also, I've been reading all the crap that people are writing about Uzbekistan getting what they deserved for protesting and asking for a 3-0 forfeit, and I think that idea is absurd. Of course Uzbekistan was going to protest. Any team in the world would protest in this situation. And I'll call you a liar if you say your team would not. And once you protest, you might as well ask for as much as you could get, in this case, a forfeit victory. Why wouldn't you? I can't think of a time in sports history where a protest resulted in a worse situation for the team that protested. That just makes no sense.
In reality, Uzbekistan shouldn't have needed to protest at all. FIFA should have investigated this on their own and made their own decision independent of any protest. Maybe they did in the end, but then they shouldn't have even discussed Uzbekistan's protest, because it really does look like Uzbekistan is being punished for protesting, which is a horrible precedent.
Ombak
06 Sep 2005, 07:46 PM
I would put outrageous sums of money on the fact that there's corruption involved somehow. I just couldn't tell you where, because it could be from the referee's end or now on FIFA's end. Or both. It's impossible that all this happened completely above-board.
Also, I've been reading all the crap that people are writing about Uzbekistan getting what they deserved for protesting and asking for a 3-0 forfeit, and I think that idea is absurd. Of course Uzbekistan was going to protest. Any team in the world would protest in this situation. And I'll call you a liar if you say your team would not. And once you protest, you might as well ask for as much as you could get, in this case, a forfeit victory. Why wouldn't you? I can't think of a time in sports history where a protest resulted in a worse situation for the team that protested. That just makes no sense.
In reality, Uzbekistan shouldn't have needed to protest at all. FIFA should have investigated this on their own and made their own decision independent of any protest. Maybe they did in the end, but then they shouldn't have even discussed Uzbekistan's protest, because it really does look like Uzbekistan is being punished for protesting, which is a horrible precedent.In reality, nothing should've happened. Refs make mistakes, this one was comically stupid, but restarting the game at 38 mins because of it would be unprecedented and I don't think it would be sensible.
Playing it over again though is an embarassingly stupid decision on FIFA's part though.
As for Uzbekistan trying to get a 3x0 win, that is comical too, this whole thing is a farce. Uzbekistan doesn't deserve to be forced to replay because of that, but they sure deserve to be laughed at.
Neubill
06 Sep 2005, 08:01 PM
Unbelievable. Just horrible for Uzbekistan.
FIFA's press release (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/050906/1/4k3p.html)
According to Art. 12.4 (b) and 14.1 of the Regulations for the 2006 FIFA World Cup™, all protests, including those against technical errors committed by referees, are to be decided by the Organising Committee for the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany™. A bureau of the Organising Committee may pass a decision in lieu of the plenary committee in urgent matters.
Here's the braintrust deciding the matter:
The Bureau, composed of Chairman Lennart Johansson, Deputy Chairman Julio Grondona, Dr Chung Mong Joon and FIFA General Secretary Urs Linsi,...
Uzbekistan protested the decision of the referee in a written request, asking for the match to be "cancelled" and be evaluated with a 3-0 forfeit result;
The bureau, taking into consideration that the referee in the match in question had indeed committed a technical error, established that, as a consequence, the match needed to be replayed. As a result, the protest put forward by the Uzbekistan team for the match to be considered a forfeit with a 3–0 result is rejected. In accordance with Art. 12.6 of the Regulations 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany™, this decision is final and binding.
At the risk of sounding like I'm defending these geniuses, maybe they determined that numerous mistakes were made, warranting a replay.
In the big scheme of things, whoever wins will lose in the playoff with CONCACAF's #4.
scaryice
06 Sep 2005, 08:07 PM
I think it's the right decision.
Dwbakke
06 Sep 2005, 08:45 PM
At the risk of sounding like I'm defending these geniuses, maybe they determined that numerous mistakes were made, warranting a replay.
They should have said that, then, or at least had proof of something other than that one blown call. If they had any proof of inept reffing or corruption besides that mistake I would be a lot more satisfied with the decision to replay.
Also, I was thinking about why this would never happen in an American sport and I realized that we would never be in this situation because all sports here have multiple officials who confer on major things such as the laws of the game, and would never allow one ref to disregard an obvious rule like that. Checks and balances, I guess.
They should have said that, then, or at least had proof of something other than that one blown call. If they had any proof of inept reffing or corruption besides that mistake I would be a lot more satisfied with the decision to replay.
I think FIFA must have made a distinction between errors of judgment and errors in the knowledge of the law. Clearly this error fell rather blatantly into the latter bucket. Still sets a very bad precdent though, imo.
Also, I was thinking about why this would never happen in an American sport and I realized that we would never be in this situation because all sports here have multiple officials who confer on major things such as the laws of the game, and would never allow one ref to disregard an obvious rule like that. Checks and balances, I guess.
There were two assistant refs out there who could have brought the error to the referee's attention.
Saltenya94
06 Sep 2005, 09:07 PM
Weren't Referee gaffs part of the great game?
I mean what would "Hand of god" be if they called the game all over?
Dwbakke
06 Sep 2005, 09:09 PM
There were two assistant refs out there who could have brought the error to the referee's attention.
True, but the fact that no one's talking about them missing it, and that they're not getting punished or investigated or anything, means that no one really thinks its their job to correct the referee. Whereas in basketball all three refs would be responsible should this mistake be made. I just feel like a single referee is given too much power if he can do something blatant like this. Maybe the assistant refs should be responsible for upholding the basic laws of the game as well. I'll probably be yelled at for being against the one ref tradition, and I don't want to get into a long argument about this on this forum, but I will just always think that a second ref would help more than it would hurt.
True, but the fact that no one's talking about them missing it, and that they're not getting punished or investigated or anything, means that no one really thinks its their job to correct the referee.
You're making a lot of assumptions in that sentence!