Champions League Group Stage Draw..

[DemmahoM]

Well we will know who we'll be facing on thursday but I wanted to post this early to see who you guys want to face.

To me I really want to face either Man Utd or Chelsea.

Facing english clubs is always fun :D

[SirManchester]

I want Chelsea in the group stages or Barcelona....tough yes...but if we want to be taken serious we must beat teams like that.

Plus, theres that revenge aspect also hehe ;)

Bayern Munchen
Chelsea FC
Udinese
Rapid Wien

That would be a nice group right there.

[Dead Fingers]

Which teams are seeded?

[DemmahoM]

Which teams are seeded?

Seedings (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2005.html)

Teams Already Qualified

FC Barcelona (Spain)
Real Madrid CF (Spain)
Chelsea FC (England)
Arsenal FC (England)
Juventus FC (Italy)
AC Milan (Italy)
FC Bayern Munchen (Germany)
FC Schalke 04 (Germany)
Olympique Lyonnais (France)
LOSC Lille Métropole (France)
SL Benfica (Portugal)
FC Porto (Portugal)
Olympiacos CFP (Greece)
PSV Eindhoven (Netherlands)
AC Sparta Praha (Czech Republic)
Fenerbahçe SK (Turkey)

Third Qualifying Round

FC Basel 1893 (Switzerland) vs/ Werder Bremen (Germany)
FC Artmedia Bratislava (Slovakia) vs/ FK Partizan (Serbia & Montenegro)
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (Ukraine) vs/ FC Internazionale Milano (Italy)
FC Steaua Bucuresti (Romania) vs/ Rosenborg BK (Norway)
Manchester United FC (England) vs/ Debreceni VSC (Hungary)
Malmö FF (Sweden) vs/ FC Thun (Switzerland)
Everton FC (England) vs/ Villarreal CF (Spain)
Liverpool FC (England) vs/ PFC CSKA Sofia (Bulgaria)
Sporting Clube de Portugal (Portugal) vs/ Udinese Calcio (Italy)
Valerenga IF (Norway) vs/ Clube Brugge KV (Belgium)
SK Rapid Wien (Austria) vs/ FC Lokomotiv Moskva (Russia)
RSC Anderlecht (Belgium) vs/ SK Slavia Praha (Czech Republic)
Anorthosis Famagusta FC (Cyprus) vs/ Rangers FC (Scotland)
Brøndby IF (Denmark) vs/ Ajax (Netherlands)
Real Betis Balompié (Spain) vs/ AS Monaco FC (France)
Wisla Kraków (Poland) vs/ Panathinaikos FC (Greece)

[Dead Fingers]

sorry..I meant the teams who will not be facing each other in the group phase

[DanielHSV]

sorry..I meant the teams who will not be facing each other in the group phase
Pool, Real, Milan, Barca, ManU, Inter, Arsenal and Bayern are in Pot 1, ManU and Inter need to qualify first of course.

[Dead Fingers]

Thanks Daniel

[mcweiss]

Pool, Real, Milan, Barca, ManU, Inter, Arsenal and Bayern are in Pot 1, ManU and Inter need to qualify first of course.

How is it that Chelski is not part of the top seeding after winning the League and going the the semi's last year. Is it because they are rather inexperienced in the CL over the last 5 years?

[scorpio81]

How is it that Chelski is not part of the top seeding after winning the League and going the the semi's last year. Is it because they are rather inexperienced in the CL over the last 5 years?


probably, but the same way, i dont understand how inter made it! :confused:

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

'Cause Inter have made the CL for three years in a row and have reached a semi and two quarters - plus their side is also very strong.

[mofo4life]

Is it because they are rather inexperienced in the CL over the last 5 years?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2005.html

We are Nr. 7 this year, but i fear that if we don't make it to the semifinals we'll be in Pot 2 next year.

7.Bayern München Ger 97.166
8. Arsenal Eng 93.864
9. FC Porto Por 93.739
10. Juventus Ita 93.191
11. PSV Eindhoven Ned 84.145
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14. Chelsea Eng 68.864

[scorpio81]

possible groups -

manu juve schalke rangers

milan villareal ajax bremen

bayern chelsea monaco betis

barca psv anderlecht benfica

real porto olympiakos lokomotiv



going by our luck in past years, we're bound to get a tough group again...

[SS2006]

cant wait
is this the first round? like where AC Milan and Barca were in last year

[Cannon]

possible groups -

manu juve schalke rangers

milan villareal ajax bremen

bayern chelsea monaco betis

barca psv anderlecht benfica

real porto olympiakos lokomotiv
going by our luck in past years, we're bound to get a tough group again...

Those teams are already eliminated.

The pots for the draw (guessing on outcome of today's games) are:
Pot 1
RealMadrid
AC Milan
Barcelona
Liverpool
Manchester United
Internazionale
Bayern München
Arsenal

Pot 2
Porto
Juventus
PSV Eindhoven
Olympique Lyon
Panathinaikos
Chelsea
Villarreal
Ajax

Pot 3
Club Brugge
Anderlecht
Olympiakos
Schalke'04
Sparta Praha
Lille
Glasgow Rangers
Werder Bremen

Pot 4
Benfica
Rosenborg
Real Betis
Udinese
Fenerbahçe
Rapid Vienna
FC Thun
FC Artmedia Petrzalka

[mcweiss]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2005.html

We are Nr. 7 this year, but i fear that if we don't make it to the semifinals we'll be in Pot 2 next year.

7.Bayern München Ger 97.166
8. Arsenal Eng 93.864
9. FC Porto Por 93.739
10. Juventus Ita 93.191
11. PSV Eindhoven Ned 84.145
.
.
.
14. Chelsea Eng 68.864

I understand, but does anyone know the factors that go into the coef. rating. The system seems flawed. Porto and Inter over Chelsea? I don't think the coef. takes into account the current team, as explained as an answer for Inter. I am curious to know the reasoning behind the Euro ranking for the teams...i.e. how much is weighed on domestic performance v. CL and Uefa Cup results...

[DanielHSV]

AFAIK this ranking is based on the european performance in the last 5 years. But I wonder why Porto is behind Arsenal, so it seems to be a combination of individual team performance in Europe and the leagues coefficients. But I'm pretty sure that it has nothing to do with the domestic performance.

[Gregoriak]

There's only one team I would like to see in Bayern's group and that is Rapid Vienna. Bayern haven't played an Austrian team since 1986. I remember the great and dramatic games between Bayern and Austria Vienna in the 1985-86 season (4-2, 3-3). I was watching the Austrian league closely back in the 1980s, they had quite an arsenal of fine players back then, like Anton Panenka, Tibor Nyilasi, Hansi Müller, Hans Krankl, Herbert Prohaska, Walter Schachner, Mario Kempes, Oleg Blokhin...

[scorpio81]

ideal group for bayern

bayern
lyon (best french, avoid them in KO stage if possible)
sparta prague (decent team, but we whip them regularly, and could help us get top spot even with lyon in the group)
artmedia/thun (wtf are they?)

[Dead Fingers]

http://www.fcbayern.t-com.de/en/news/news/2005/05278.php?fcb_sid=6e71d93b11a23ed2833e224840ebbc48

[Syncope]

ideal group for bayern

bayern
lyon (best french, avoid them in KO stage if possible)
sparta prague (decent team, but we whip them regularly, and could help us get top spot even with lyon in the group)
artmedia/thun (wtf are they?)I'd prefer we avoid Lyon alltogether (group and KO rounds); replace them with Panathinaikos. I agree with the other two choices.

Chance are we'll get Juventus, Schalke 04, and Werder Bremen, which means that Germany's UEFA coefficient will place us right near Lichtenstein.