Dicky Carvalho throwing his toys around

[mst77]

http://www.football365.com/teams/chelsea/story_160079.shtml

Life's a bitch ain't it, Dicky? No worry, you can ******** off as soon as Alex meets the work permit requirements next year. We never liked you much anyway.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

He does have a point though.

[mst77]

He does have a point though.

Does anyone doubt that he's the 3rd best CB on the team? He'll get his share of matches. I doubt that his real gripe is that he wasn't on the bench against Wigan, but the fact that Jose more or less has shown that he thinks JT-Billy is our best CB partnership.

It's also a hell of a time to be complaining about one's place in the squad, 1 match into the new season.

[Riz]

It's also a hell of a time to be complaining about one's place in the squad, 1 match into the new season.

Totally agreed. Classless move, and I'll be interested in how Jose deals with this early complaint.

[Rewinder]

Id be pissed off too if i was a 20m cb who didnt even get to sit on the bench.

[Portugeezer!]

Does anyone doubt that he's the 3rd best CB on the team? He'll get his share of matches. I doubt that his real gripe is that he wasn't on the bench against Wigan, but the fact that Jose more or less has shown that he thinks JT-Billy is our best CB partnership.

It's also a hell of a time to be complaining about one's place in the squad, 1 match into the new season.

Well, I do. As far as I'm concerned Carvalho and Terry are equals in my book.
Terry did have a better season than Ricardo last season. But that's not surprising considering it was his first season in England and his injuries. And of course Terry and Gallas are going to play better together. They've had time to develop a partnership. And in time, so will Carvalho and Terry.

I'm very surprised he's even made these complaints. Can anyone confirm that he actually made these comments. It is 365 after all, any other sources?

[Riz]

Well, I do. As far as I'm concerned Carvalho and Terry are equals in my book.
Terry did have a better season than Ricardo last season. But that's not surprising considering it was his first season in England and his injuries. And of course Terry and Gallas are going to play better together. They've had time to develop a partnership. And in time, so will Carvalho and Terry.

I'm very surprised he's even made these complaints. Can anyone confirm that he actually made these comments. It is 365 after all, any other sources?

It was also reported on the BBC this morning (afternoon over there).

I'm still a bit stunned by your first statement. Care to elaborate on that?

[caco794]

Heh.... hey Ricardo - how do you like them gloryhunters? Eh? :D

Kidding aside, it is always tough for footballers who are used to first team football and then...... poof! He should've known what kind of situation he was getting into and try to block any deal to Chelsea.

[sstarch1]

Id be pissed off too if i was a 20m cb who didnt even get to sit on the bench.

Nah, think of it this way, your a 20m centerback.

[yasik19]

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3899344

here is another site with the article.

He was voted Europe's best defender before coming to Chelsea, but whose fault is the fact that we have 3 of the best CBs in Europe at the moment and he happens to be the 3rd one. Don't get me wrong, i think he is a great CB, but you have too look at the big picture. CBs play in pairs, and there is no beetter pairing at the moment then JT and Billy. (except maybe for Toure and Senderos.... ha ha ha :D )

[BridgeMonkee]

We have three great centre backs and we only need two centre backs – somebody is going to be a little p1ssed non? I think the fact that Huth was on the bench in the <st1 ="">Wigan</st1> game might have been more upsetting for Carvalho as that makes him the 4^th choice in the opinion of Jose.

Before when we had Desailly, Terry and Gallas it wasn’t as much of a problem, Terry was younger and there were injuries and they all seemed happy with the amount of playing time they received.

Terry is the team captain and the English footballer of the year and he is the first name penciled in every week by JM along with Lampard and Cech. Carvalho’s only chance of making the team is through injury to either Gallas or Terry.

That is football. Carvalho is a great CB no doubt, but it is a little too early in the season to start this kind of whinging and moaning. Jose does NOT like whingers and Jose still has time to sell him and get a replacement for this season, let alone the lads long-term future with the club looking bleak.

[jjayg]

Is it possible that Jose thought (incorrectly) that Wigan would be an easy(easier) match and therefor it might be an opportunity to get Huth some playing time. Therefor he suited Huth instead of Carvalho?

[lobomojo]

Hard to believe he said that, the original source may have been whatever is portugal's version of The Sun. He is recovering from a knock and every player should know by now that he does not like to play a player at less than 100% unless necesary. May not have wanted to push having him on the bench against Wigan with Arse coming up.

The oft quoted stat here is JT and Gallas gave up ZERO goals last year when paired in the league, I'm sure JM read that somewhere. :rolleyes:

It is quite clear JT is the best, Gallas and Carv are about even, but the JT and Gallas pairing is clearly the best pairing with JT's physical and ariel play as well as leadership and Gallas' pace. The other advantage to using Gallas is you can keep less defenders on the bench. He can sub anywhere if an injury so you only need one centerback on the bench to take Gallas' spot if he has to take over another spot.

[Portugeezer!]

It was also reported on the BBC this morning (afternoon over there).

I'm still a bit stunned by your first statement. Care to elaborate on that?


Just read it on Sky Sports.

What's there to be stunned about? I've said it before in other threads and truely believe it. Terry and Carvalho are the two best CB's in football today. I have no doubt about it. Some might agree, others won't. I don't think one is better than the other. And I got nothing against Gallas, but no way do I believe he's better than Carvalho. Gallas is a great CB and deserves to start, but on Chelsea in my eyes he's # 3.

Call me crazy if you want, but that's the way I see it.

[Selecao2002]

Ricardo's comments were made to a reporter for Portuguese sports daily "A Bola". I have attached a link to the article (in Portuguese).

http://www.abola.pt/wqua/wdia.htm

MST77, there are plenty of people who would disagree with your rank ordering of Chelsea CBs. Carvalho came to Stamford Bridge as one of the very best CBs in the world, having won UEFA Defender of the Year and a sport on the 2004 Euro Cup all-tournament team. His first season at Chelsea was very solid, if not spectacular. But, he was acclimating to a new league with a completely different style of play, and he missed some time in the middle of the season with an injury.

If you can read his quotes, he is frustrated about a couple of things:

1. His apparent status as third-choice behind Terry and Gallas in the first two matches.
2. The fact that Mourinho included him in a group with Huth, Tiago and Cole as players who might have some concerns about their status with their countries as WC06 approaches. Mourinho's statement indicates that RC's playing time may be significantly reduced.

I would guess this is going to be the first of many such outbursts by players who are not getting the minutes they would have expected. You can build a squad with multiple stars at each position, but this is one of the expected byproducts of that.

[tptp]

a little background on Carvalho for all you haters...(haha I happen to have his Chelsea jersey)...

Carvalho has done the exact same in the past - complaining at Porto before the UEFA Cup and CL run (of which he played it seemed every minute), and complaining to get on the NT (of which he was integral for the Euro 2004 run)...

I agree Terry/Gallas has proved to be a better pair, as they have had more time to play together and develop...he should not have complained, but I don't think he was complaining, we have to take everything for account - the questioning from the reporters, etc...

Also, Carvalho wanted to go to Real after the Porto CL fire sale, but Pinto da Costa (Porto's president) wanted more money for the UEFA defender of the year and sold him to Chelsea...his game is suited more for La Liga...

PS-I saw the way Ricardo walked off the field at the Chelsea-Milan game at Giants Stadium and he was hanging his head and not integrated with the team...interesting...

[Riz]

Just read it on Sky Sports.

What's there to be stunned about? I've said it before in other threads and truely believe it. Terry and Carvalho are the two best CB's in football today. I have no doubt about it. Some might agree, others won't. I don't think one is better than the other. And I got nothing against Gallas, but no way do I believe he's better than Carvalho. Gallas is a great CB and deserves to start, but on Chelsea in my eyes he's # 3.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, as I believe JT is better than Carvalho. Then again, it seems we both have a bit of a bias, eh? ;)

[Portugeezer!]

Is it possible that Jose thought (incorrectly) that Wigan would be an easy(easier) match and therefor it might be an opportunity to get Huth some playing time. Therefor he suited Huth instead of Carvalho?


It could be partly that, but I think I agree with this statement on Sky, this is exactly how Mourinho thinks:


Carvalho's message that there is no way he will allow himself to slip down the pecking order, and that he cannot fathom why he has been left out, might actually be encouraging to Mourinho as the Blues manager looks for hunger from his players.

[yasik19]

a little background on Carvalho for all you haters...(haha I happen to have his Chelsea jersey)...

Carvalho has done the exact same in the past - complaining at Porto before the UEFA Cup and CL run (of which he played it seemed every minute), and complaining to get on the NT (of which he was integral for the Euro 2004 run)...

I agree Terry/Gallas has proved to be a better pair, as they have had more time to play together and develop...he should not have complained, but I don't think he was complaining, we have to take everything for account - the questioning from the reporters, etc...

Also, Carvalho wanted to go to Real after the Porto CL fire sale, but Pinto da Costa (Porto's president) wanted more money for the UEFA defender of the year and sold him to Chelsea...his game is suited more for La Liga...

PS-I saw the way Ricardo walked off the field at the Chelsea-Milan game at Giants Stadium and he was hanging his head and not integrated with the team...interesting...

I don't think anyone hates him, it's just nobody likes whiners, especially Jose. He'll get his chance to play, no doubt.

[yasik19]

Carvalho's message that there is no way he will allow himself to slip down the pecking order, and that he cannot fathom why he has been left out, might actually be encouraging to Mourinho as the Blues manager looks for hunger from his players.

Good point.