How far will the US advance in WC2006?

[kpaulson]

Keep it comming Paulson...i got u right where i want you..
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Yep, you're coming across pretty well. Are you "soccer_not_football"? Just admit it!

[BocaFan]

OK, who who's the champion in Mexico? The team that won the last tournament or the team that's won the most tournament in the last twenty years?


Well, the argument in this thread isn't really "who is champion of CONCACAF?"

If the USA are top 4 in the world, they need to have some pedigree. So in that sense, ElDivino has a point. Winning the HEX on a head-to-head goal-difference tiebreaker one time, does not make you #4 in the world. Just like no objective person thought France were #1 in 1998. But after they won again in 2000 and dominated in UEFA qualifying, THEN many people considered France to be #1.

[kpaulson]

Well, the argument in this thread isn't really "who is champion of CONCACAF?"
Actually, that was ElDivino's point: "The US isn't even top of CONCACAF". In that case, winning the hex, two recent Gold Cups to one of theirs, and a slim 3-2 advantage in games that count, seem to be a pretty strong basis that the US is the best in CONCACAF, albeit not by much.

If the USA are top 4 in the world, they need to have some pedigree. So in that sense, ElDivino has a point. Winning the HEX on a head-to-head goal-difference tiebreaker one time, does not make you #4 in the world. Just like no objective person thought France were #1 in 1998. But after they won again in 2000 and dominated in UEFA qualifying, THEN many people considered France to be #1.
Oh sure. The Top 4 in the world stuff is obviously crap (that's why it's obviously a sock saying it) and the US's modest achievements have no relation to what it would take to make you #4 in the world.

[ElDivino]

Actually, that was ElDivino's point: "The US isn't even top of CONCACAF". In that case, winning the hex, two recent Gold Cups to one of theirs, and a slim 3-2 advantage in games that count, seem to be a pretty strong basis that the US is the best in CONCACAF, albeit not by much.


Oh sure. The Top 4 in the world stuff is obviously crap (that's why it's obviously a sock saying it) and the US's modest achievements have no relation to what it would take to make you #4 in the world.
stop it paulson...we all kno u meant it..stop fvking about already...the u.s was lucky to end up on top of the hex and u kno it..

[kpaulson]

stop it paulson...we all kno u meant it..stop fvking about already...the u.s was lucky to end up on top of the hex and u kno it..
actually, it is a bit of a mystery how Mexico folded...?

Any thoughts on that?

[ElDivino]

actually, it is a bit of a mystery how Mexico folded...?

Any thoughts on that?
Ahh..yess...let the hate flow through..lol..now thats a question.!!..well..it was no mystery really , they folded because they didnt have their sh!t together..and their opppnents took advantage..nothing more..nothing less
thats the truth..is it not ?

[simonb_nyc]

stop it paulson...we all kno u meant it..stop fvking about already...the u.s was lucky to end up on top of the hex and u kno it..

How do you work that out? They beat teams soundly including Mexico at home.

[kpaulson]

Ahh..yess...let the hate flow through..lol..now thats a question.!!..well..it was no mystery really , they folded because they didnt have their sh!t together..and their opppnents took advantage..nothing more..nothing less
thats the truth..is it not ?
Well, if you want to claim the US was lucky to win the hex, saying Mexico took a little bribe to throw the game is probably a better argument.

[COBRA007]

the USA team has no quality in there team thats going to frighten the top 8 teams. depending on the draw they will be lucky to reach the QF. your on crack if you think the USA is one of the top teams and should reach the semis .

[simonb_nyc]

the USA team has no quality in there team thats going to frighten the top 8 teams. depending on the draw they will be lucky to reach the QF. your on crack if you think the USA is one of the top teams and should reach the semis .

Dunno about that. They're probably good enough.

[scarshins]

Jesus !!!! they finished top of the group for the first time in their history !!!! that doesnt mean sh!t !!! talk trash when their on top for 20 yrs..thats history..thats dominance of the zone..not one lucky year....u guys make such a big deal about it...its so fvking halarious !!!

that makes 2 hilarious things

[COBRA007]

USA is not good enough to reach the semis unless they get a favourable draw. be realistic

[scarshins]

realistic is for losers

[COBRA007]

realistic is for losers

but you sound ********ing stupid saying USA is one of the top teams and should make the semis.

[BocaFan]

Dunno about that. They're probably good enough.

They're good enough that "they SHOULD reach the semis"?? That's nonsense.

Just once it would be nice if you could back-up some of the rubbish you pollute these boards with. At one point I thought you were just a guy who wanted some non-traditional nations taking over from the traditional ones as being powerful nations in the footballing world. But your bashing of Australia immediately after they qualified for their first World Cup in 30+ years, proves otherwise. Probably you are just more interested in bashing everything that isn't American.

[scarshins]

Ummm...I didn't say that. Read more carefully. Have a nice day too.

[kpaulson]

the USA team has no quality in there team thats going to frighten the top 8 teams. depending on the draw they will be lucky to reach the QF. your on crack if you think the USA is one of the top teams and should reach the semis .
Nobody thinks the US is one of the top 4 teams. You might find some people who think they're top ten. Most people think they're top 20-30. My personal guess is 15-25. They depend on the draw to get out of the group stage, but they're close enough to the top teams that anything could happen.

Take a close look at who's made the semis the past few cups-- you'll find more than a few teams that fit the above description.

In short, you're an idiot if you expect the US to make the semis. But you're ignoring reality if you think it's impossible for a team like the US to do so.

[Pablo Chicago]

Nobody thinks the US is one of the top 4 teams. You might find some people who think they're top ten. Most people think they're top 20-30. My personal guess is 15-25. They depend on the draw to get out of the group stage, but they're close enough to the top teams that anything could happen.

Take a close look at who's made the semis the past few cups-- you'll find more than a few teams that fit the above description.

In short, you're an idiot if you expect the US to make the semis. But you're ignoring reality if you think it's impossible for a team like the US to do so.
Never thought I'd rep someone from DC, but well said kp.

[kpaulson]

Never thought I'd rep someone from DC, but well said kp.
Hah... I'm actually a Fire fan in exile.

[Scarecrow]

Hah... I'm actually a Fire fan in exile.
A sure sign of high intelligence, being a Fire Fan.

The US will be in it until they aren't. :)