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appoo
11 Aug 2005, 10:24 AM
Can we sticky this?

1. Any person holding the nationality of a country is eligible to play for
the representative teams of the Association of his country. The
Executive Committee shall decide on the conditions of eligibility
for any Player who assumes a new nationality and for whom par. 3
of this article does not apply, or for any Player who would, in principle,
be eligible to play for the teams of more than one Association
due to his nationality.

2. As a general rule, any Player who has already represented one Association
(either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category
may not play an international match with another Association
team.

3. If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new
nationality, or if the Player is eligible to play for several Association
teams due to his nationality, the following exceptions apply:

(a) Up to his 21st birthday, a player may only once request changing
the Association for which he is eligible to play international
matches.
A Player may exercise this right to change Associations
only if he has not played at “A" international level for his
current Association and if at the time of his first full or
partial appearance in an international match in an official competition
of any other category, he already had such nationalities.
Changing Associations is not permitted during the preliminary
competition of a FIFA competition, continental championship
or Olympic Tournaments if a player has already been
fielded in a match of one of these competitions.

(b) Any Player who has already acquired eligibility to play for one
Association but has another nationality imposed upon him by
a government authority, is also entitled to change associations.
This provision is not subject to any age limits.

4. Any Player who wishes to exercise this right to change Associations
shall submit a written and substantiated request to the FIFA general
secretariat. After submitting the request, the Player is no longer
qualified to play for his current Association’s team. The Players’
Status Committee shall decide on the request. The committee’s
decision may be brought before the Appeal Committee. The Regulations
for the Status and Transfer of Players contain more detailed
provisions.

5. Any Players who have already had their 21st birthday at the time of
implementation of these provisions and who fulfil the requirements
in par. 3 (a) are also entitled to submit such a request to change
Associations. This entitlement will expire definitively twelve months
after implementation of this provision.

(please note that these Provisions went into effect on January 1st, 2004)

Sandon Mibut
11 Aug 2005, 11:16 AM
PS - Ronnie O'Brien is, alas, cap-tied to Ireland.

AndyMead
11 Aug 2005, 01:24 PM
PS - Ronnie O'Brien is, alas, cap-tied to Ireland.

Have we identified a game/competition that cap-tied him? As we learned with Diego Gutierrez, Chris Armas, and (I think) Jeff Cunningham - playing non-FIFA competitions does not cap-tie someone.

geordienation
11 Aug 2005, 01:34 PM
Have we identified a game/competition that cap-tied him? As we learned with Diego Gutierrez, Chris Armas, and (I think) Jeff Cunningham - playing non-FIFA competitions does not cap-tie someone.


Played at the U-18, U-19 and U-21 level for Ireland. Won the U-18 Euro championship.

I don't think he's been capped at the full international level.

This story addresses it a little: (http://www.mlsnet.com/MLS/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20040512&content_id=2622&vkey=news_mls&fext=.jsp)
He and his wife, Vicki, have enjoyed their time so much in Dallas that going back to play in Europe isn't even on his mind right now. The same goes for playing internationally for Ireland, which could use a good right-sided midfielder. After being snubbed too many times at the U-20 and U-21 levels, O'Brien is not about to come running if he is summoned back to play for the full national team.

"I'm not interested," he says. "I have a sour taste in my mouth about it. To be honest, I don't even think about getting to the national team. It's not a great ambition for me. I'm happy playing club football, and just overall happy with my life at the moment."

geordienation
11 Aug 2005, 01:35 PM
Does he have a green card?

cleat/less
11 Aug 2005, 01:45 PM
am I reading this right, because o'brien did not request to change his national status before his 21st birthday, he now can't?

Craig P
11 Aug 2005, 01:52 PM
I think the bigger problem is that he was not eligible for the U.S. at the time he played for Ireland.

Since he was older than 21 at the time the regulation was implemented and he has not been capped at the senior level, if he had been eligible for both the U.S. and Ireland at the time, he could still switch.

Sandon Mibut
11 Aug 2005, 03:01 PM
Correct. To switch after being cap-tied as a youth, you had to be eligible to play for the country you want to switch to at the time you were cap-tied. Ronne wasn't eligible to play for the US when he was cap-tied by Ireland by playing in the UEFA U18 Championships.

Examples of people who could switch are Freddy Adu (US to Ghana), Will John (US to Nigeria), Danny Szetela (US to Poland) and Quentin Westberg (US to France). All can switch, in theory, before they turn 21.

appoo
11 Aug 2005, 03:02 PM
I think the bigger problem is that he was not eligible for the U.S. at the time he played for Ireland.

Since he was older than 21 at the time the regulation was implemented and he has not been capped at the senior level, if he had been eligible for both the U.S. and Ireland at the time, he could still switch.

no, he had 1 year to request his change of country.

5. Any Players who have already had their 21st birthday at the time of
implementation of these provisions and who fulfil the requirements
in par. 3 (a) are also entitled to submit such a request to change
Associations. This entitlement will expire definitively twelve months
after implementation of this provision.

appoo
11 Aug 2005, 03:06 PM
Correct. To switch after being cap-tied as a youth, you had to be eligible to play for the country you want to switch to at the time you were cap-tied. Ronne wasn't eligible to play for the US when he was cap-tied by Ireland by playing in the UEFA U18 Championships.

Examples of people who could switch are Freddy Adu (US to Ghana), Will John (US to Nigeria), Danny Szetela (US to Poland) and Quentin Westberg (US to France). All can switch, in theory, before they turn 21.

and this has most to do with Freddy, but if any of those players make an official apearence for the Senior Team (and I do NOT know if this includes all 'A' matches - matches played on the official friendly dates) they become CAP-Tied to USA no matter the age.

cleat/less
11 Aug 2005, 03:10 PM
no, he had 1 year to request his change of country.

5. Any Players who have already had their 21st birthday at the time of
implementation of these provisions and who fulfil the requirements
in par. 3 (a) are also entitled to submit such a request to change
Associations. This entitlement will expire definitively twelve months
after implementation of this provision.

has there ever been a case of someone applying for new national team status after this time frame? i.e. would FIFA consider an appeal?

appoo
11 Aug 2005, 03:54 PM
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php%3ft=229888

boys & girls, there is a prtty good thread there abour RO'B

Gary V
11 Aug 2005, 04:10 PM
Does he have a green card?Irrelevent. Citizenship is what counts. USMNT have the equivalent of a "green card" to work in Europe. They still get called home to the USMNT.

Re-read this section:1. Any person holding the nationality of a country is eligible to play for
the representative teams of the Association of his country. The
Executive Committee shall decide on the conditions of eligibility
for any Player who assumes a new nationality and for whom par. 3
of this article does not apply, or for any Player who would, in principle,
be eligible to play for the teams of more than one Association
due to his nationality."new nationality and par. 3 does not apply" = newly naturalized citizens above the age of 21. The Executive Committee is going to decide on a case-by-case basis. (Ref: Qatar)

AndyMead
11 Aug 2005, 04:32 PM
Irrelevent. Citizenship is what counts. USMNT have the equivalent of a "green card" to work in Europe. They still get called home to the USMNT.

I'm pretty certain that GN knows that. He didn't ask "is O'Brien otherwise eligible to play for the United States."

ohk4
11 Aug 2005, 05:10 PM
has there ever been a case of someone applying for new national team status after this time frame? i.e. would FIFA consider an appeal?

Austria is appealing for Stefan Hoffman (German) right now, or at least tried. He and Austria missed the year's grace period (till Dec 31, 2004) after the new rules took effect. Hoffmann, who captains Rapid Vienna, is married to an Austrian.


http://www.networld.at/articles/0532/20/119034_s1.shtml

superdave
11 Aug 2005, 05:16 PM
Have we identified a game/competition that cap-tied him?
UEFA's U-19 tournament serves as a qualifier for the WYC, so in playing in that, he became cap-tied.

According to JG on that other thread.

AndyMead
11 Aug 2005, 05:21 PM
UEFA's U-19 tournament serves as a qualifier for the WYC, so in playing in that, he became cap-tied.

According to JG on that other thread.

Well, that's pretty much "case closed" then.

BrianLBI
11 Aug 2005, 05:35 PM
(b) Any Player who has already acquired eligibility to play for one
Association but has another nationality imposed upon him by
a government authority, is also entitled to change associations.
This provision is not subject to any age limits.


So if we invade Grenada again, can we cap Shalrie Joseph?

AndyMead
11 Aug 2005, 05:43 PM
So if we invade Grenada again, can we cap Shalrie Joseph?

Hmmmm

appoo
11 Aug 2005, 06:02 PM
Austria is appealing for Stefan Hoffman (German) right now, or at least tried. He and Austria missed the year's grace period (till Dec 31, 2004) after the new rules took effect. Hoffmann, who captains Rapid Vienna, is married to an Austrian.


http://www.networld.at/articles/0532/20/119034_s1.shtml

those ********ers are also trying to steal Benny Feilhaber from us!!! Leave our yanks alone! :mad: